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Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-29 19:11 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-09-30 10:14 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-09-30 18:37 +1000
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:34 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-02 20:01 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-04 09:27 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:15 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:03 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 12:59 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 04:20 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 16:03 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:35 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 18:08 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 10:01 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-08 09:02 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:11 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 17:29 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:09 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-09 08:37 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 15:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-11 17:52 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 11:45 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 12:24 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 10:15 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 02:45 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 12:54 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-13 00:02 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-12 19:12 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:37 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 16:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 12:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:17 -0600
Re: Super Intelligence Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-19 11:26 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:49 -0600
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 13:02 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:49 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 17:17 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 19:02 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:12 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-09 09:27 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:16 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:29 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:22 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence squalk <sq@net.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:17 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:43 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-08 11:00 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-09-30 12:23 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:22 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-02 09:21 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-10-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:56 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:47 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:27 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:37 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-02 20:37 +1000
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:21 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:06 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:57 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:53 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:22 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-10-02 12:07 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> - 2026-10-07 02:55 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:08 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-07 23:04 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 10:21 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-07 20:13 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 08:24 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-08 11:44 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 22:34 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:13 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:01 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:55 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 21:59 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 10:20 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-25 15:19 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 14:12 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:57 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 18:10 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:32 -0700
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 08:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nirgckFk3bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1152009 |
On 08/10/2026 22:09, Mike Spencer wrote: > Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> writes: > >> Is it possible that aue might be useful for something that *couldn't* >> be done in 5 second on the Internet? > > The remarkable capacity for pattern recogniton [1] has been upstaged > and the public awareness hijacked by the stunning breakthrough of LLMs > in natural language. Language fits the internet perfectly. Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm betting AI will do better in the long term. > > Medical diagnosis from various image data and weeding large vinyards > by AI-controlled robots come to mind. > > > [1] "Pattiducking", if you remember reading Stand on Zanzibar >
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 15:39 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <LS0yS.10427$mPXe.4120@fx06.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1152044 |
On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: > Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many > dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is > what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern > recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution > made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm > betting AI will do better in the long term. Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, and why would the A.I. do pull requests? I certainly hope you didn't mean the A.I. would outperform is in /patt- ern recognition/. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 17:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nj1pm2FtlhcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1152046 |
On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is >> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern >> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >> betting AI will do better in the long term. > > Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, > and why would the A.I. do pull requests? > Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such an app already exists.) Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 11:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn.5ac17eaaebe0423b.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #1152094 |
On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... > On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is >>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern >>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >> >> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >> > Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and > an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such > an app already exists.) > > Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) /dps -- Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his precious heavy water. _The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 12:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn.5ae87eaa4e9f5fe7.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #1152096 |
Snidely explained : > On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is >>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern >>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>> >>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>> >> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >> an app already exists.) >> >> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. > > Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of > touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. > > (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too tight > ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) > > /dps How small can a gas chromatograph be made? (Some smells can be identified by a specific sensor, but a compact unit with the ability to recognize many different smells is still TBD) -d -- There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 10:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1152096 |
On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote: > On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is >>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . >>>> Pattern >>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>> >>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>> >> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >> an app already exists.) >> >> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. > > Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of > touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. > > (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too > tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) > Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit behind the curve here.
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 02:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn.60a57eaa680e50f3.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #1152102 |
occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 1:15:41 AM > On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote: >> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is >>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . >>>>> Pattern >>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>>> >>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>>> >>> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >>> an app already exists.) >>> >>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. >> >> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of >> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. >> >> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too >> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) >> > Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and > surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit > behind the curve here. That's why I said "first step", no? But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works. Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor. /dps -- "First thing in the morning, before I have coffee, I read the obits, If I'm not in it, I'll have breakfast." -- Carl Reiner, to CBS News in 2015.
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 12:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nj3sibF8oriU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1152103 |
On 12/10/2026 11:45, Snidely wrote: > occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 > 1:15:41 AM >> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote: >>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in >>>>>> texts is >>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . >>>>>> Pattern >>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>>>> >>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>>>> >>>> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >>>> an app already exists.) >>>> >>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. >>> >>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of >>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. >>> >>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too >>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) >>> >> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and >> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit >> behind the curve here. > > That's why I said "first step", no? > > But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny > and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works. > > Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely > a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor. > Whatever the solution, I have a feeling that it will come from the sex-robot industry first, like most innovations. </smile>
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 00:02 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <rw7zS.22033$VDn8.771@fx14.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1152104 |
On 10/12/2026 6:54 PM, occam wrote: > On 12/10/2026 11:45, Snidely wrote: >> occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 >> 1:15:41 AM >>> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote: >>>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >>>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in >>>>>>> texts is >>>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . >>>>>>> Pattern >>>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>>>>> >>>>> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >>>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >>>>> an app already exists.) >>>>> >>>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. >>>> >>>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of >>>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. >>>> >>>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too >>>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) >>>> >>> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and >>> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit >>> behind the curve here. >> >> That's why I said "first step", no? >> >> But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny >> and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works. >> >> Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely >> a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor. >> > > Whatever the solution, I have a feeling that it will come from the > sex-robot industry first, like most innovations. </smile> Extrapolating a bit from biology, it's also possible some of our /sense of touch/ comes from -- what most people nowadays call -- "static elec tricity." And that's something even the sex industry is going to be hard pressed to exploit. Not that they can't, but I think they just won't think of it. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 19:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gq9zS.3447$Htzb.941@fx17.ams1> |
| In reply to | #1152103 |
On 12/10/2026 10:45, Snidely wrote: > occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 > 1:15:41 AM >> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote: >>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ... >>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote: >>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many >>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in >>>>>> texts is >>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . >>>>>> Pattern >>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution >>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm >>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term. >>>>> >>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch, >>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests? >>>>> >>>> Sounds: point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and >>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such >>>> an app already exists.) >>>> >>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these. >>> >>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of >>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this. >>> >>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too >>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop) >>> >> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and >> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit >> behind the curve here. > > That's why I said "first step", no? > > But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny > and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works. > > Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely > a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor. In the long term, robotic fingers need not be shackled to the limited sensing abilities of a human's fingers. Magnetic field, thermal and electrical conductivity, vibration, α, β @ γ radiation... -- Sam Plusnet
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 10:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AC7D50A.255E@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1151964 |
occam wrote: > > On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > >> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > >>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >>> > >> > >> <snip> > >> > > > > So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > > go about that in the first place? > > Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai, she'll tell you how. With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 04:37 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <V9TxS.10403$mPXe.3748@fx06.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1152000 |
On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > occam wrote: >> >> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>> >>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >>> go about that in the first place? >> >> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. > > Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai, > she'll tell you how. > > > With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl! Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or other in one of his books? I admit ignorance, because I never watched his movies, nor finished the T.V. show. I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime or other, and enjoy the story. A /summary/ is not the story, and you won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself. Which the A.I. cannot do for you [1]. Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V. show, nor read any of his books. And what does that make you, who claim to be /super intelligent/? [1] I'm not counting text-to-speech here as an application of A.I. since you can just use C.M.U. Flite, http://cmuflite.org/ and please don't mind the lack of S.S.L., locally and don't need to pay an A.I. to do this for you. I mean, you /do/ pay for the ChatGPT tokens yourself, right? I hope the downloads still work, I didn't check. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 16:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AC8268E.2CEB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1152012 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > occam wrote: > >> > >> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > >>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > >>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > >>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> <snip> > >>>> > >>> > >>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > >>> go about that in the first place? > >> > >> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. > > > > Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai, > > she'll tell you how. > > > > > > With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl! > > Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or > other in one of his books? I admit ignorance, because I never watched > his movies, nor finished the T.V. show. > > I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to > read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime > or other, and enjoy the story. A /summary/ is not the story, and you > won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself. Which the A.I. cannot do > for you [1]. > > Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then > you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V. > show, nor read any of his books. And what does that make you, who claim > to be /super intelligent/? President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026, officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to "Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch agencies. I never claimed to be super intelligent... I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI) everybody else has Ai and I never read a Fiction book in my life! as a kid i would go to the library to read books. I would follow the Dewey Decimal System it had there. So, I would look at all the books between 001-999. There was a section in the back that had no Dewey Decimal System. It was called the Fiction section. It had no Dewey Decimal System numbers. It had no facts in it, or an Index, or anything resembling the Dewey Decimal System. Lot's of made up stuff. So, I didn't bother to this day with those type of books. That is where it belongs, in the back. I rather be a six year old learning how to dissemble a machine gun. i never understood why others read fiction books. maybe girls read it.. > > [1] I'm not counting text-to-speech here as an application of A.I. since > you can just use C.M.U. Flite, > > http://cmuflite.org/ > > and please don't mind the lack of S.S.L., locally and don't need to pay > an A.I. to do this for you. I mean, you /do/ pay for the ChatGPT tokens > yourself, right? > > I hope the downloads still work, I didn't check. > > -- > Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ > I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com > https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; > Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <XAXxS.16834$B9ef.12595@fx04.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1152019 |
On 10/9/2026 7:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then >> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V. >> show, nor read any of his books. And what does that make you, who claim >> to be/super intelligent/? > > President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026, > officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to > > "Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch > agencies. > > I never claimed to be super intelligent... How else are people supposed to read /Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me?/? But also, you get no respect from me for pretending to know everything the A.I. does. If anything, you get negative respect for being an A.I. addict. > and I never read a Fiction book in my life! What a dull life. No wonder you appear to be hooked on fentanyl. Well, best wishes getting rid of your A.I. and fentanyl addiction, I guess. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 12:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pi6adld6ng48d3n9t27rv51r5756gbop1e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1152019 |
On Thu, 08 Oct 2026 16:26:06 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> >> On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> > occam wrote: >> >> >> >> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> >>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >> >>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >> >>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> <snip> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >> >>> go about that in the first place? >> >> >> >> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. >> > >> > Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai, >> > she'll tell you how. >> > >> > >> > With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl! >> >> Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or >> other in one of his books? I admit ignorance, because I never watched >> his movies, nor finished the T.V. show. >> >> I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to >> read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime >> or other, and enjoy the story. A /summary/ is not the story, and you >> won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself. Which the A.I. cannot do >> for you [1]. >> >> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then >> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V. >> show, nor read any of his books. And what does that make you, who claim >> to be /super intelligent/? > > >President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026, >officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to > >"Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch >agencies. > >I never claimed to be super intelligent... > >I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI) > > >everybody else has Ai > > >and I never read a Fiction book in my life! > >as a kid >i would go to >the library >to read books. >I would follow >the >Dewey Decimal System >it had there. > >So, I would look at all >the books between >001-999. > >There was a section >in the back that had no >Dewey Decimal System. >It was called the Fiction section. >It had no Dewey Decimal System >numbers. >It had no facts in it, or an Index, >or anything resembling the >Dewey Decimal System. > >Lot's of made up stuff. > >So, I didn't bother to >this day with those >type of books. > >That is where it belongs, in the back. > >I rather be a six year old >learning how to dissemble a machine gun. > > > >i never understood why others read fiction books. > >maybe girls read it.. > another thing I notice about the Fiction section at the library...the books didn't have any pictures in it! No Index in the back of the book, no table of contents.. dusty, old, brown edge pages..dusty shelves.. dark, no lights... GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!! I made a few attempts to TRY to read a fiction book.. I cannot get pass the first paragraph! I get sleepy. AFTER ONE PARAGRAPH! How in the world am I going to get past the first page???? Is like my mind was an Ai and saying to me "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING???" But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake! Is Poetry fiction? It's mostly one paragraph and I can finish dat quickly., But I notice a book of Quotations, just reading one single quotation in a book is life changing. but I don't think it's in the fiction section. Where is the science fiction section in the library??? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 16:17 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <11b3gi2$1hpjj$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1152503 |
The Starmaker wrote: > On Thu, 08 Oct 2026 16:26:06 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> >>> On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> occam wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>>>>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>>>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >>>>>> go about that in the first place? >>>>> >>>>> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. >>>> >>>> Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai, >>>> she'll tell you how. >>>> >>>> >>>> With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl! >>> >>> Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or >>> other in one of his books? I admit ignorance, because I never watched >>> his movies, nor finished the T.V. show. >>> >>> I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to >>> read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime >>> or other, and enjoy the story. A /summary/ is not the story, and you >>> won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself. Which the A.I. cannot do >>> for you [1]. >>> >>> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then >>> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V. >>> show, nor read any of his books. And what does that make you, who claim >>> to be /super intelligent/? >> >> >> President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026, >> officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to >> >> "Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch >> agencies. >> >> I never claimed to be super intelligent... >> >> I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI) >> >> >> everybody else has Ai >> >> >> and I never read a Fiction book in my life! >> >> as a kid >> i would go to >> the library >> to read books. >> I would follow >> the >> Dewey Decimal System >> it had there. >> >> So, I would look at all >> the books between >> 001-999. >> >> There was a section >> in the back that had no >> Dewey Decimal System. >> It was called the Fiction section. >> It had no Dewey Decimal System >> numbers. >> It had no facts in it, or an Index, >> or anything resembling the >> Dewey Decimal System. >> >> Lot's of made up stuff. >> >> So, I didn't bother to >> this day with those >> type of books. >> >> That is where it belongs, in the back. >> >> I rather be a six year old >> learning how to dissemble a machine gun. >> >> >> >> i never understood why others read fiction books. >> >> maybe girls read it.. >> > > > > > another thing I notice about the Fiction section at > the library...the books didn't have any pictures in it! > > No Index in the back of the book, no table of contents.. > dusty, old, brown edge pages..dusty shelves.. > dark, no lights... > > GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!! > > I made a few attempts to TRY to read a fiction book.. > I cannot get pass the first paragraph! > > I get sleepy. AFTER ONE PARAGRAPH! > > How in the world am I going to get past the first page???? > > Is like my mind was an Ai and saying to me "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU > DOING???" > > But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake! You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers? -- Can you strip away so we may start again? "There’s a switch and they don't seem authentic or themselves. It feels like I’m an unnecessary body and it’s a waste of time to even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.
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| From | Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 11:26 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <11b3h4j$1hrhs$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1152515 |
On 19/10/2026 11:17, Blaine wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: snip >> But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake! > You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic > episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers? Before snippage, that was a massive post. Would you please snip unnecessary stuff, especially from trolls.
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| From | Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 16:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <11b3idg$1ic2a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1152516 |
Titus G wrote: > On 19/10/2026 11:17, Blaine wrote: >> The Starmaker wrote: > snip > >>> But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake! > >> You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic >> episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers? > > Before snippage, that was a massive post. Would you please snip > unnecessary stuff, especially from trolls. > But I referenced the first sentence in what I wrote? Would you suggest I keep the first sentence, lay down some introductory Screaming Trees tracks, and then pop out the last bit I was also responding to? And, how are you not the troll in this equation? Got a badge? -- Can you strip away so we may start again? "There’s a switch and they don't seem authentic or themselves. It feels like I’m an unnecessary body and it’s a waste of time to even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 13:02 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <11b3tn2$1lu4c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1152515 |
> another thing I notice about the Fiction section at the library...the > books didn't have any pictures in it! Look for the section labelled "children's books". Books designed for two-year-olds have lots of pictures. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 10:49 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <11a9a5e$aia4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1152012 |
On 09/10/26 07:37, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > And what does that make you, who claim to be /super intelligent/? Trump started this super intelligent business. "Super intelligent" means "exactly as smart as Trump", i.e. as thick as two short planks. Which makes me wonder why you bother reply to the idiot. You're only bypassing our kill files. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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