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Super Intelligence

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First post2026-09-29 19:11 -0700
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  Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-29 19:11 -0700
    Re: Super Intelligence guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-09-30 10:14 +0200
      Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-09-30 18:37 +1000
        Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:34 -0700
        Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-02 20:01 -0300
            Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-04 09:27 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0000
            Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:15 +0200
              Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:03 +0800
                Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 12:59 -0700
                  Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 04:20 +0800
                    Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 16:03 -0700
                      Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:35 +0800
                        Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 18:08 -0700
                          Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 10:01 +0800
                Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-08 09:02 +0200
                  Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:11 +0800
                  Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 17:29 +0200
                    Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:09 -0300
                      Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-09 08:37 +0200
                        Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 15:39 +0800
                          Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-11 17:52 +0200
                            Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 11:45 -0700
                              Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 12:24 -0700
                              Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 10:15 +0200
                                Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 02:45 -0700
                                  Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 12:54 +0200
                                    Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-13 00:02 +0800
                                  Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-12 19:12 +0100
                  Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 10:38 -0700
                    Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:37 +0800
                      Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 16:26 -0700
                        Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
                        Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 12:30 -0700
                          Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:17 -0600
                            Re: Super Intelligence Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-19 11:26 +1300
                              Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:49 -0600
                            Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 13:02 +1100
                      Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:49 +1100
                        Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 17:17 -0700
                        Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
                          Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 19:02 -0700
                          Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:12 -0700
                  Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-09 09:27 +1300
                    Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:16 -0700
                  Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:29 +1100
                    Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:22 -0700
                Re: Super Intelligence squalk <sq@net.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:17 +0100
                  Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:43 +0800
                    Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:26 -0700
              Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-08 11:00 +1300
      Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-09-30 12:23 +0200
        Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:22 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0100
            Re: Super Intelligence Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-02 09:21 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-10-01 22:52 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:26 -0700
            Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:56 +0200
              Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:47 -0700
          Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:27 -0700
          Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:30 -0700
            Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:37 +0200
              Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-02 20:37 +1000
                Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:21 +0200
                  Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:06 +0800
              Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:57 +0800
              Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:53 -0700
        Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:22 -0700
          Re: Super Intelligence HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-10-02 12:07 +0000
      Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:30 -0700
    Re: Super Intelligence Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> - 2026-10-07 02:55 -0400
      Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:08 +0800
        Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-07 23:04 +0200
          Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 10:21 +1100
            Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-07 20:13 -0700
            Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 08:24 +0200
              Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-08 11:44 +0200
              Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 22:34 +1100
                Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:13 +0800
                  Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:01 -0300
                    Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:55 +0800
                    Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 21:59 -0400
                      Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 10:20 +0800
                  Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-25 15:19 +0000
              Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 14:12 -0400
                Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:57 +0800
              Re: Super Intelligence Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 18:10 -0400
                Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:32 -0700

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#1152044

Fromoccam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date2026-10-09 08:37 +0200
Message-ID<nirgckFk3bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1152009
On 08/10/2026 22:09, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> writes:
> 
>> Is it possible that aue might be useful for something that *couldn't*
>> be done in 5 second on the Internet?
> 
> The remarkable capacity for pattern recogniton [1] has been upstaged
> and the public awareness hijacked by the stunning breakthrough of LLMs
> in natural language. Language fits the internet perfectly.

Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern
recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
betting AI will do better in the long term.

> 
> Medical diagnosis from various image data and weeding large vinyards
> by AI-controlled robots come to mind.
> 
> 
> [1] "Pattiducking", if you remember reading Stand on Zanzibar
> 

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#1152046

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 15:39 +0800
Message-ID<LS0yS.10427$mPXe.4120@fx06.ams4>
In reply to#1152044
On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern
> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
> betting AI will do better in the long term.

Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
and why would the A.I. do pull requests?

I certainly hope you didn't mean the A.I. would outperform is in /patt-
ern recognition/.
-- 
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#1152094

Fromoccam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date2026-10-11 17:52 +0200
Message-ID<nj1pm2FtlhcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1152046
On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern
>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
> 
> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
> 
Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
an app already exists.)

Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.

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#1152096

FromSnidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-11 11:45 -0700
Message-ID<mn.5ac17eaaebe0423b.127094@snitoo>
In reply to#1152094
On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern
>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>> 
>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>> 
> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
> an app already exists.)
>
> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.

Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense 
of touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.

(the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too 
tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)

/dps

-- 
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence 
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his 
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean

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#1152099

FromSnidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-11 12:24 -0700
Message-ID<mn.5ae87eaa4e9f5fe7.127094@snitoo>
In reply to#1152096
Snidely explained :
> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it . Pattern
>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>> 
>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>> 
>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>> an app already exists.)
>>
>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
>
> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of 
> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
>
> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too tight 
> ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
>
> /dps

How small can a gas chromatograph be made?

(Some smells can be identified by a specific sensor, but a compact unit 
with the ability to recognize many different smells is still TBD)

-d

-- 
There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it 
does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are 
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us 
ask.  (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)

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#1152102

Fromoccam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date2026-10-12 10:15 +0200
Message-ID<nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1152096
On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote:
> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it .
>>>> Pattern
>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>>
>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>>
>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>> an app already exists.)
>>
>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
> 
> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of
> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
> 
> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too
> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
> 
Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and
surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit
behind the curve here.

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#1152103

FromSnidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-12 02:45 -0700
Message-ID<mn.60a57eaa680e50f3.127094@snitoo>
In reply to#1152102
occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 
1:15:41 AM
> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote:
>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in texts is
>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it .
>>>>> Pattern
>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>>> 
>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>>> 
>>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>>> an app already exists.)
>>> 
>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
>> 
>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of
>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
>> 
>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too
>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
>> 
> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and
> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit
> behind the curve here.

That's why I said "first step", no?

But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny 
and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch 
works.

Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely 
a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor.

/dps

-- 
"First thing in the morning, before I have coffee, I read the obits, If 
I'm not in it, I'll have breakfast." -- Carl Reiner, to CBS News in 
2015.

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#1152104

Fromoccam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date2026-10-12 12:54 +0200
Message-ID<nj3sibF8oriU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1152103
On 12/10/2026 11:45, Snidely wrote:
> occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026
> 1:15:41 AM
>> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote:
>>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in
>>>>>> texts is
>>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it .
>>>>>> Pattern
>>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>>>> an app already exists.)
>>>>
>>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
>>>
>>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of
>>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
>>>
>>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too
>>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
>>>
>> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and
>> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit
>> behind the curve here.
> 
> That's why I said "first step", no?
> 
> But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny
> and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works.
> 
> Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely
> a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor.
> 

Whatever the solution, I have a feeling that it will come from the
sex-robot industry first, like most innovations.  </smile>

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#1152105

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 00:02 +0800
Message-ID<rw7zS.22033$VDn8.771@fx14.ams4>
In reply to#1152104
On 10/12/2026 6:54 PM, occam wrote:
> On 12/10/2026 11:45, Snidely wrote:
>> occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026
>> 1:15:41 AM
>>> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>>>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in
>>>>>>> texts is
>>>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it .
>>>>>>> Pattern
>>>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>>>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>>>>> an app already exists.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
>>>>
>>>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of
>>>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
>>>>
>>>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too
>>>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
>>>>
>>> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and
>>> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit
>>> behind the curve here.
>>
>> That's why I said "first step", no?
>>
>> But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny
>> and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works.
>>
>> Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely
>> a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor.
>>
> 
> Whatever the solution, I have a feeling that it will come from the
> sex-robot industry first, like most innovations.  </smile>

Extrapolating a bit from biology, it's also possible some of our /sense
of touch/ comes from -- what most people nowadays call -- "static elec
tricity."  And that's something even the sex industry is going to be
hard pressed to exploit.

Not that they can't, but I think they just won't think of it.
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#1152108

FromSam Plusnet <not@home.com>
Date2026-10-12 19:12 +0100
Message-ID<gq9zS.3447$Htzb.941@fx17.ams1>
In reply to#1152103
On 12/10/2026 10:45, Snidely wrote:
> occam is guilty of <nj3j9dF7d52U1@mid.individual.net> as of 10/12/2026 
> 1:15:41 AM
>> On 11/10/2026 20:45, Snidely wrote:
>>> On Sunday, occam pointed out that ...
>>>> On 09/10/2026 09:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/9/2026 2:37 PM, occam wrote:
>>>>>> Quite! However, keep in mind that 'pattern recognition' has many
>>>>>> dimensions - as many as we have senses. Pattern recognition in 
>>>>>> texts is
>>>>>> what LLMs do well, because evolution did not prepare us for it .
>>>>>> Pattern
>>>>>> recognition in images is what we humans do better, because evolution
>>>>>> made us dependent on it. As for PR in sounds, smells, and touch - I'm
>>>>>> betting AI will do better in the long term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now why would /anyone/ have GitHub repos of sounds, smells, and touch,
>>>>> and why would the A.I. do pull requests?
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds:  point your mobile at a bird-sound coming from the garden, and
>>>> an app identifies the bird (from a database of sounds). (I believe such
>>>> an app already exists.)
>>>>
>>>> Ditto smells and touch - IF AND WHEN we learn to codify these.
>>>
>>> Well, some robots that manipulate small objects probably need a sense of
>>> touch, so I'm sure there's work ongoing for this.
>>>
>>> (the first step is already done ... knowing when the squeezing is too
>>> tight ... it's also how electric car windows know how to stop)
>>>
>> Yes. But there is more to touch than just pressure. Think fingertips and
>> surface texture (not to mention temperature). Robotic touch is a bit
>> behind the curve here.
> 
> That's why I said "first step", no?
> 
> But a possible solution to the texture issue would be an array of tiny 
> and sensitive pressure sensors, which may be how our sense of touch works.
> 
> Temperature would probably not be a thermistor per se, but still likely 
> a current measurement, perhaps of idle current in another sensor.

In the long term, robotic fingers need not be shackled to the limited 
sensing abilities of a human's fingers.
Magnetic field, thermal and electrical conductivity, vibration, α, β @ γ 
radiation...


-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1152000

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-10-08 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<6AC7D50A.255E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#1151964
occam wrote:
> 
> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> > On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote:
> >> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote:
> >>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes:
> >>>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >
> > So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do?  How do I
> > go about that in the first place?
> 
> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.

Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai,
she'll tell you how.


With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl!





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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1152012

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 04:37 +0800
Message-ID<V9TxS.10403$mPXe.3748@fx06.ams4>
In reply to#1152000
On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> occam wrote:
>>
>> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote:
>>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do?  How do I
>>> go about that in the first place?
>>
>> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.
> 
> Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai,
> she'll tell you how.
> 
> 
> With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl!

Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or
other in one of his books?  I admit ignorance, because I never watched
his movies, nor finished the T.V. show.

I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to
read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime
or other, and enjoy the story.  A /summary/ is not the story, and you
won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself.  Which the A.I. cannot do
for you [1].

Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then
you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V.
show, nor read any of his books.  And what does that make you, who claim
to be /super intelligent/?


[1] I'm not counting text-to-speech here as an application of A.I. since
you can just use C.M.U. Flite,

   http://cmuflite.org/

and please don't mind the lack of S.S.L., locally and don't need to pay
an A.I. to do this for you.  I mean, you /do/ pay for the ChatGPT tokens
yourself, right?

I hope the downloads still work, I didn't check.

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#1152019

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-10-08 16:26 -0700
Message-ID<6AC8268E.2CEB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#1152012
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> 
> On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > occam wrote:
> >>
> >> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> >>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote:
> >>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote:
> >>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do?  How do I
> >>> go about that in the first place?
> >>
> >> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.
> >
> > Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai,
> > she'll tell you how.
> >
> >
> > With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl!
> 
> Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or
> other in one of his books?  I admit ignorance, because I never watched
> his movies, nor finished the T.V. show.
> 
> I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to
> read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime
> or other, and enjoy the story.  A /summary/ is not the story, and you
> won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself.  Which the A.I. cannot do
> for you [1].
> 
> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then
> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V.
> show, nor read any of his books.  And what does that make you, who claim
> to be /super intelligent/?


President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026,
officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to 

"Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch
agencies. 

I never claimed to be super intelligent...

I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI)


everybody else has Ai


and I never read a Fiction book in my life!

as a kid
i would go to
the library
to read books.
I would follow
the
Dewey Decimal System
it had there.

So, I would look at all
the books between
001-999.

There was a section
in the back that had no
Dewey Decimal System.
It was called the Fiction section.
It had no Dewey Decimal System
numbers.
It had no facts in it, or an Index,
or anything resembling the
Dewey Decimal System.

Lot's of made up stuff.

So, I didn't bother to
this day with those
type of books.

That is where it belongs, in the back.

I rather be a six year old
learning how to dissemble a machine gun. 



i never understood why others read fiction books.

maybe girls read it..





> 
> [1] I'm not counting text-to-speech here as an application of A.I. since
> you can just use C.M.U. Flite,
> 
>    http://cmuflite.org/
> 
> and please don't mind the lack of S.S.L., locally and don't need to pay
> an A.I. to do this for you.  I mean, you /do/ pay for the ChatGPT tokens
> yourself, right?
> 
> I hope the downloads still work, I didn't check.
> 
> --
> Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
> I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
> https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
> Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1152026

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
Message-ID<XAXxS.16834$B9ef.12595@fx04.ams4>
In reply to#1152019
On 10/9/2026 7:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then
>> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V.
>> show, nor read any of his books.  And what does that make you, who claim
>> to be/super intelligent/?
> 
> President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026,
> officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to
> 
> "Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch
> agencies.
> 
> I never claimed to be super intelligent...

How else are people supposed to read /Does anybody here have Super
Intelligence besides me?/?

But also, you get no respect from me for pretending to know everything
the A.I. does.  If anything, you get negative respect for being an A.I.
addict.

 > and I never read a Fiction book in my life!

What a dull life.  No wonder you appear to be hooked on fentanyl.


Well, best wishes getting rid of your A.I. and fentanyl addiction, I
guess.
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#1152503

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-10-18 12:30 -0700
Message-ID<pi6adld6ng48d3n9t27rv51r5756gbop1e@4ax.com>
In reply to#1152019
On Thu, 08 Oct 2026 16:26:06 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> 
>> On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > occam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> >>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote:
>> >>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote:
>> >>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <snip>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do?  How do I
>> >>> go about that in the first place?
>> >>
>> >> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.
>> >
>> > Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai,
>> > she'll tell you how.
>> >
>> >
>> > With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl!
>> 
>> Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or
>> other in one of his books?  I admit ignorance, because I never watched
>> his movies, nor finished the T.V. show.
>> 
>> I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to
>> read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime
>> or other, and enjoy the story.  A /summary/ is not the story, and you
>> won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself.  Which the A.I. cannot do
>> for you [1].
>> 
>> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then
>> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V.
>> show, nor read any of his books.  And what does that make you, who claim
>> to be /super intelligent/?
>
>
>President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026,
>officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to 
>
>"Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch
>agencies. 
>
>I never claimed to be super intelligent...
>
>I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI)
>
>
>everybody else has Ai
>
>
>and I never read a Fiction book in my life!
>
>as a kid
>i would go to
>the library
>to read books.
>I would follow
>the
>Dewey Decimal System
>it had there.
>
>So, I would look at all
>the books between
>001-999.
>
>There was a section
>in the back that had no
>Dewey Decimal System.
>It was called the Fiction section.
>It had no Dewey Decimal System
>numbers.
>It had no facts in it, or an Index,
>or anything resembling the
>Dewey Decimal System.
>
>Lot's of made up stuff.
>
>So, I didn't bother to
>this day with those
>type of books.
>
>That is where it belongs, in the back.
>
>I rather be a six year old
>learning how to dissemble a machine gun. 
>
>
>
>i never understood why others read fiction books.
>
>maybe girls read it..
>




another thing I notice about the Fiction section at
the library...the books didn't have any pictures in it!

No Index in the back of the book, no table of contents..
dusty, old, brown edge pages..dusty shelves..
dark, no lights...

GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!

I made a few attempts to TRY to read a fiction book..
I cannot get pass the first paragraph!

I get sleepy. AFTER ONE PARAGRAPH!

How in the world am I going to get past the first page????

Is like my mind was an Ai and saying to me "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU
DOING???"

But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake!


Is Poetry fiction?

It's mostly one paragraph and I can finish dat quickly.,


But I notice a book of Quotations, just reading one single
quotation in a book is life changing.

but I don't think it's in the fiction section.



Where is the science fiction section in the library???





--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#1152515

FromBlaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-10-18 16:17 -0600
Message-ID<11b3gi2$1hpjj$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152503
The Starmaker wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2026 16:26:06 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/9/2026 1:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> occam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do?  How do I
>>>>>> go about that in the first place?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you clean your gutters yourself?? You don't know how? Ask Ai,
>>>> she'll tell you how.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the money you save you can use it to buy a ton of Fentanyl!
>>>
>>> Didn't Jack Reacher get into trouble over some fentanyl adventure or
>>> other in one of his books?  I admit ignorance, because I never watched
>>> his movies, nor finished the T.V. show.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the A.I. can tell you exactly which book, but then you have to
>>> read it yourself if you want to have a manly male hero solve some crime
>>> or other, and enjoy the story.  A /summary/ is not the story, and you
>>> won't enjoy it if you don't read it yourself.  Which the A.I. cannot do
>>> for you [1].
>>>
>>> Of course, if you only care about consuming the fentanyl yourself, then
>>> you probably haven't seen any of the Jack Reacher movies, nor the T.V.
>>> show, nor read any of his books.  And what does that make you, who claim
>>> to be /super intelligent/?
>>
>>
>> President Donald Trump signed an executive order on September 29, 2026,
>> officially renaming "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) to
>>
>> "Super Intelligence" (SI) across all U.S. federal executive branch
>> agencies.
>>
>> I never claimed to be super intelligent...
>>
>> I have (SI) "Super Intelligence" (SI)
>>
>>
>> everybody else has Ai
>>
>>
>> and I never read a Fiction book in my life!
>>
>> as a kid
>> i would go to
>> the library
>> to read books.
>> I would follow
>> the
>> Dewey Decimal System
>> it had there.
>>
>> So, I would look at all
>> the books between
>> 001-999.
>>
>> There was a section
>> in the back that had no
>> Dewey Decimal System.
>> It was called the Fiction section.
>> It had no Dewey Decimal System
>> numbers.
>> It had no facts in it, or an Index,
>> or anything resembling the
>> Dewey Decimal System.
>>
>> Lot's of made up stuff.
>>
>> So, I didn't bother to
>> this day with those
>> type of books.
>>
>> That is where it belongs, in the back.
>>
>> I rather be a six year old
>> learning how to dissemble a machine gun.
>>
>>
>>
>> i never understood why others read fiction books.
>>
>> maybe girls read it..
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> another thing I notice about the Fiction section at
> the library...the books didn't have any pictures in it!
> 
> No Index in the back of the book, no table of contents..
> dusty, old, brown edge pages..dusty shelves..
> dark, no lights...
> 
> GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!
> 
> I made a few attempts to TRY to read a fiction book..
> I cannot get pass the first paragraph!
> 
> I get sleepy. AFTER ONE PARAGRAPH!
> 
> How in the world am I going to get past the first page????
> 
> Is like my mind was an Ai and saying to me "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU
> DOING???"
> 
> But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake!

You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic 
episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers?

-- 
Can you strip away so we may start again?
"There’s a switch and they don't
seem authentic or themselves. It
feels like I’m an unnecessary
body and it’s a waste of time to
even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.

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#1152516

FromTitus G <noone@nowhere.com>
Date2026-10-19 11:26 +1300
Message-ID<11b3h4j$1hrhs$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152515
On 19/10/2026 11:17, Blaine wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
snip

>> But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake!

> You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic
> episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers?

Before snippage, that was a massive post. Would you please snip
unnecessary stuff, especially from trolls.


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#1152518

FromBlaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-10-18 16:49 -0600
Message-ID<11b3idg$1ic2a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152516
Titus G wrote:
> On 19/10/2026 11:17, Blaine wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
> snip
> 
>>> But I can read a non-fiction book from front to back...and kept awake!
> 
>> You should get some sleep. It sounds just like one of my early manic
>> episodes. No pictures in the fiction books? Not even on the covers?
> 
> Before snippage, that was a massive post. Would you please snip
> unnecessary stuff, especially from trolls.
> 
But I referenced the first sentence in what I wrote? Would you suggest I 
keep the first sentence, lay down some introductory Screaming Trees 
tracks, and then pop out the last bit I was also responding to? And, how 
are you not the troll in this equation? Got a badge?

-- 
Can you strip away so we may start again?
"There’s a switch and they don't
seem authentic or themselves. It
feels like I’m an unnecessary
body and it’s a waste of time to
even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.

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#1152526

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-10-19 13:02 +1100
Message-ID<11b3tn2$1lu4c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152515
> another thing I notice about the Fiction section at the library...the
> books didn't have any pictures in it!

Look for the section labelled "children's books". Books designed for
two-year-olds have lots of pictures.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1152021

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-10-09 10:49 +1100
Message-ID<11a9a5e$aia4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152012
On 09/10/26 07:37, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

> And what does that make you, who claim to be /super intelligent/?

Trump started this super intelligent business. "Super intelligent" means
"exactly as smart as Trump", i.e. as thick as two short planks. Which
makes me wonder why you bother reply to the idiot. You're only bypassing
our kill files.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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