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| First post | 2026-09-29 19:11 -0700 |
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Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-29 19:11 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-09-30 10:14 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-09-30 18:37 +1000
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:34 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-02 20:01 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-04 09:27 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:15 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:03 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 12:59 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 04:20 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 16:03 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:35 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-07 18:08 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 10:01 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-08 09:02 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:11 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 17:29 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:09 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-09 08:37 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 15:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-11 17:52 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 11:45 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 12:24 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 10:15 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 02:45 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-12 12:54 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-13 00:02 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-12 19:12 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:37 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 16:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 12:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:17 -0600
Re: Super Intelligence Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-19 11:26 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 16:49 -0600
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 13:02 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:49 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 17:17 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 09:39 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 19:02 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:12 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-09 09:27 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:16 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-09 10:29 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:22 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence squalk <sq@net.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:17 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:43 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-08 11:00 +1300
Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-09-30 12:23 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:22 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-01 20:07 +0100
Re: Super Intelligence Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-02 09:21 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-10-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:26 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:56 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:47 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:27 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:37 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-02 20:37 +1000
Re: Super Intelligence occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-07 17:21 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:06 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:57 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-03 12:53 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-01 22:22 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-10-02 12:07 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-30 13:30 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> - 2026-10-07 02:55 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 02:08 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-07 23:04 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 10:21 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-07 20:13 -0700
Re: Super Intelligence Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-08 08:24 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-10-08 11:44 +0200
Re: Super Intelligence Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-08 22:34 +1100
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-08 21:13 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-08 17:01 -0300
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:55 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 21:59 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 10:20 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-10-25 15:19 +0000
Re: Super Intelligence Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-08 14:12 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-09 04:57 +0800
Re: Super Intelligence Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 18:10 -0400
Re: Super Intelligence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-08 20:32 -0700
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-29 19:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Super Intelligence |
| Message-ID | <6ABC6FC3.4B51@ix.netcom.com> |
Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 10:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <119igcu$1no7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1151582 |
Op 30/09/2026 om 4:11 schreef The Starmaker: > Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? What's more dangerous: artificial intelligence or genuine human irrationality? -- guido wugi
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 18:37 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <119ihno$28sd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1151586 |
On 30/09/26 18:14, guido wugi wrote: > Op 30/09/2026 om 4:11 schreef The Starmaker: >> Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? Well, there's Dunning and Kruger. > What's more dangerous: artificial intelligence or genuine human > irrationality? It's hard to tell, because at present we are faced with a combination of the two. There is an urgent need to equip AIs with something equivalent to the first two laws of robotics, but people who want to put in safeguards are being blocked by an incredibly stupid US president. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 13:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6ABD724E.4B04@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1151587 |
Peter Moylan wrote: > > On 30/09/26 18:14, guido wugi wrote: > > Op 30/09/2026 om 4:11 schreef The Starmaker: > > >> Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? > > Well, there's Dunning and Kruger. > > > What's more dangerous: artificial intelligence or genuine human > > irrationality? > > It's hard to tell, because at present we are faced with a combination of > the two. There is an urgent need to equip AIs with something equivalent > to the first two laws of robotics, but people who want to put in > safeguards are being blocked by an incredibly stupid US president. When Albert Einstein builted the atomic bomb he didn't have any safeguards... just drop the thing. kill them all! You see, what THEY won't tell you.. Albert Einstein didn't believe human beings had any souls. > > -- > Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org > Newcastle, NSW -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-01 20:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ni7ls0Fd4aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1151587 |
On 30/09/2026 10:37, Peter Moylan wrote: > On 30/09/26 18:14, guido wugi wrote: >> Op 30/09/2026 om 4:11 schreef The Starmaker: > >>> Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? > > Well, there's Dunning and Kruger. > >> What's more dangerous: artificial intelligence or genuine human >> irrationality? > > It's hard to tell, because at present we are faced with a combination of > the two. There is an urgent need to equip AIs with something equivalent > to the first two laws of robotics, but people who want to put in > safeguards are being blocked by an incredibly stupid US president. > Hmm, for once I find myself in agreement with the Drumph. To be clear, he is not blocking safeguards. He is saying slowing done AI development is not a good idea. He is correct in saying that, because if the competition (China, Russia) does not conform to those guidelines, they will end up with far more potent and aggressive AIs than those of OpenAI and Anthropic. Have you read Neal Stepheson's cyberpunk novels 'Snow Crash' and 'Cryptonomicon'? In there human agents don headgear and penetrate enemy cyber-defences, a bit like (virtual) fighter pilots navigating a war zone. Considering the novels were written in the 1990s - well before current AI developments - they are quite visionary.
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 20:01 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87a4ovpv0g.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #1151635 |
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > Have you read Neal Stepheson's cyberpunk novels 'Snow Crash' and > 'Cryptonomicon'? Multiple times. > In there human agents don headgear and penetrate enemy > cyber-defences, a bit like (virtual) fighter pilots navigating a war > zone. Considering the novels were written in the 1990s - well before > current AI developments - they are quite visionary. As a great Stephenson fan, I have to ask, aren't you getting your cyberpunks mixed up? That kind of virtual space hacking was the central concept of William Gibson's 1984 'Neuromancer'. Both of Sephenson's novels are very different. [ Nod to r.a.tv: Wikipedia says there's a tv series based on [ Neuromancer due to premiere in January. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-04 09:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <niedfhFthfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1151703 |
On 03/10/2026 01:01, Mike Spencer wrote: > occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >> Have you read Neal Stepheson's cyberpunk novels 'Snow Crash' and >> 'Cryptonomicon'? > > Multiple times. > >> In there human agents don headgear and penetrate enemy >> cyber-defences, a bit like (virtual) fighter pilots navigating a war >> zone. Considering the novels were written in the 1990s - well before >> current AI developments - they are quite visionary. > > As a great Stephenson fan, I have to ask, aren't you getting your > cyberpunks mixed up? That kind of virtual space hacking was the > central concept of William Gibson's 1984 'Neuromancer'. Both of > Sephenson's novels are very different. You are right. I have read Gibson's 'Neuromancer' too, and both readings (Gibson, Stephenson) were more than 40 years ago. Some cross-wire there. > > [ Nod to r.a.tv: Wikipedia says there's a tv series based on > [ Neuromancer due to premiere in January. > I look forward to that. The fact that Neuromancer was written in 1984 - before AI /and/ the internet - makes it even more visionary.
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| From | Bob <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <119p5hf$pve$1@moist.bananacorp.nl.uucp> |
| In reply to | #1151635 |
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >On 30/09/2026 10:37, Peter Moylan wrote: >> On 30/09/26 18:14, guido wugi wrote: >>> Op 30/09/2026 om 4:11 schreef The Starmaker: >> >>>> Does anybody here have Super Intelligence besides me? >> >> Well, there's Dunning and Kruger. >> >>> What's more dangerous: artificial intelligence or genuine human >>> irrationality? >> >> It's hard to tell, because at present we are faced with a combination of >> the two. There is an urgent need to equip AIs with something equivalent >> to the first two laws of robotics, but people who want to put in >> safeguards are being blocked by an incredibly stupid US president. >> >Hmm, for once I find myself in agreement with the Drumph. >To be clear, he is not blocking safeguards. He is saying slowing done AI >development is not a good idea. He is correct in saying that, because if >the competition (China, Russia) does not conform to those guidelines, >they will end up with far more potent and aggressive AIs than those of >OpenAI and Anthropic. >Have you read Neal Stepheson's cyberpunk novels 'Snow Crash' and >'Cryptonomicon'? In there human agents don headgear and penetrate enemy >cyber-defences, a bit like (virtual) fighter pilots navigating a war >zone. Considering the novels were written in the 1990s - well before >current AI developments - they are quite visionary. The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it will, well, get us anywhere, well, good?
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 17:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nin602Fb25eU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1151758 |
On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > <snip> > > The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it > will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological processes." The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only better, quicker and cheaper.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 02:03 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <tPvxS.406$SBg4.306@fx09.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1151932 |
On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >> > > <snip> > >> >> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it >> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? > > It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. > <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> > > If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. > "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work > in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial > intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex > structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological > processes." > > The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic > coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; > made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. > > The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. > The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they > feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only > better, quicker and cheaper. So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I go about that in the first place? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AC6A495.6BD8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1151938 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > > On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > >> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >> > > > > <snip> > > > >> > >> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it > >> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? > > > > It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. > > <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> > > > > If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. > > "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work > > in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial > > intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex > > structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological > > processes." > > > > The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic > > coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; > > made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. > > > > The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. > > The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they > > feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only > > better, quicker and cheaper. > > So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > go about that in the first place? For example???? you wanna make a baby with an Ai? > -- > Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ > I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com > https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; > Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 04:20 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <TPxxS.10455$AQqd.2783@fx11.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1151946 |
On 10/8/2026 3:59 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> >> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> >>>> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it >>>> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? >>> >>> It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. >>> <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> >>> >>> If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. >>> "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work >>> in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial >>> intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex >>> structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological >>> processes." >>> >>> The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic >>> coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; >>> made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. >>> >>> The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. >>> The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they >>> feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only >>> better, quicker and cheaper. >> >> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >> go about that in the first place? > > > For example???? > > > you wanna make a baby with an Ai? > You don't know how to do something the A.I. cannot? I mean, it's not hard to find the gaps in its knowledege. My go-to problem is /trans- actional file system/. Ask the A.I. to make one for you. You'll quickly find the gaps, and will have to teach it the details. Which is a waste of time, because it forgets everything as soon as its window of context is too large. Best wishes, and happy doing something the A.I. cannot! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 16:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AC6CFD5.DE8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1151948 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 10/8/2026 3:59 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > >> > >> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > >>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > >>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >>>> > >>> > >>> <snip> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it > >>>> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? > >>> > >>> It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. > >>> <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> > >>> > >>> If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. > >>> "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work > >>> in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial > >>> intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex > >>> structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological > >>> processes." > >>> > >>> The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic > >>> coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; > >>> made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. > >>> > >>> The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. > >>> The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they > >>> feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only > >>> better, quicker and cheaper. > >> > >> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > >> go about that in the first place? > > > > > > For example???? > > > > > > you wanna make a baby with an Ai? > > > > You don't know how to do something the A.I. cannot? I mean, it's not > hard to find the gaps in its knowledege. My go-to problem is /trans- > actional file system/. > > Ask the A.I. to make one for you. You'll quickly find the gaps, and > will have to teach it the details. Which is a waste of time, because > it forgets everything as soon as its window of context is too large. > > Best wishes, and happy doing something the A.I. cannot! I don't know what is a "transactional file system".. but I know of things Ai cannot do because it simply has not learned it yet, that's where you come in and 'train it' yourself. First collect links either from the internet or your own documents, and Upload it to Ai. It will read it all, and tell Ai ... Role: You are a knowledgeable expert on the topic below. Task: Role: You are a knowledgeable Transactional NTFS expert Constraints: - If key details are missing, state your assumptions in one line, then answer. - Be specific and concrete; do not restate the task back to me. Output format: A structured answer with short paragraphs or bullets — whichever fits the content best. Tone: Professional but natural; no filler phrases. https://www.google.com/search?q=PROMPT%3A+Role%3A+You+are+a+knowledgeable+Transactional+NTFS+expert. (just mees with it to fit your needs) teach ai how to blow up the earth! > > -- > Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ > I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com > https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; > Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 07:35 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <IGAxS.568$SBg4.115@fx09.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1151951 |
On 10/8/2026 7:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 10/8/2026 3:59 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>>>> occam<occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it >>>>>> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? >>>>> It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. >>>>> <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> >>>>> >>>>> If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. >>>>> "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work >>>>> in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial >>>>> intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex >>>>> structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological >>>>> processes." >>>>> >>>>> The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic >>>>> coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; >>>>> made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. >>>>> >>>>> The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. >>>>> The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they >>>>> feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only >>>>> better, quicker and cheaper. >>>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >>>> go about that in the first place? >>> >>> For example???? >>> >>> >>> you wanna make a baby with an Ai? >>> >> You don't know how to do something the A.I. cannot? I mean, it's not >> hard to find the gaps in its knowledege. My go-to problem is /trans- >> actional file system/. >> >> Ask the A.I. to make one for you. You'll quickly find the gaps, and >> will have to teach it the details. Which is a waste of time, because >> it forgets everything as soon as its window of context is too large. >> >> Best wishes, and happy doing something the A.I. cannot! > I don't know what is a "transactional file system".. > > but I know of things Ai cannot do because it simply has not learned it > yet, that's > where you come in and 'train it' yourself. Seems you claim you're an NTFS "expert" and didn't know about this? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/about-transactional-ntfs Note, I don't really count NFTS as a /transactional file system/, be- cause Microsoft has deprecated this and might remove it without further notice. Now, do something similar for Linux, Unix of your choice. Why not Open- ZFS because that's also available for Windows? https://github.com/openzfsonwindows/openzfs/releases I don't care if you use Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Illumos, but please make this happen. The L.L.Ms. need to know how to do this, right? So you implement a file system where you can atomically modify two or more files, with the proviso that all writes happen at the "same time" or none at all. Here, "same time" means as visible from another pro- cess reading the file. All writes should succeed, or none. So you can't just modify one file, commit that, and then modify the next. The first file's modification have to roll back if the second file's write()s fail for any reason. Such as a broken hard disk, assuming the file systems spans more than one volume. Are you up to this task? How can you let an A.I. do this for you? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 18:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AC6ED0C.73E2@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1151953 |
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 10/8/2026 7:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > >> On 10/8/2026 3:59 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > >>>> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: > >>>>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: > >>>>>> occam<occam@nowhere.nix> writes: > >>>>>> > >>>>> <snip> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The funny thing is, it does not seem to get us anywhere. Do you think it > >>>>>> will, well, get us anywhere, well, good? > >>>>> It already has. There are plenty of positive contributions of AI around. > >>>>> <https://cacm.acm.org/news/scientific-applications-of-generative-ai/> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want more specifics, look at AlfaFold 2. > >>>>> "Demis Hassabis was awarded the Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work > >>>>> in protein structure prediction. This research utilized artificial > >>>>> intelligence models, particularly AlphaFold2, to predict the complex > >>>>> structures of proteins, which are essential for understanding biological > >>>>> processes." > >>>>> > >>>>> The reason for your exasperation is that most of the journalistic > >>>>> coverage you read about is the negative stuff; fake videos & photos; > >>>>> made up scientific papers with fake references; Fake news; etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> The good stuff takes longer to develop. And it is not very sensational. > >>>>> The reason why most journalist like to criticize AI is because they > >>>>> feel threatened by it. AI is capable of doing what they do - only > >>>>> better, quicker and cheaper. > >>>> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > >>>> go about that in the first place? > >>> > >>> For example???? > >>> > >>> > >>> you wanna make a baby with an Ai? > >>> > >> You don't know how to do something the A.I. cannot? I mean, it's not > >> hard to find the gaps in its knowledege. My go-to problem is /trans- > >> actional file system/. > >> > >> Ask the A.I. to make one for you. You'll quickly find the gaps, and > >> will have to teach it the details. Which is a waste of time, because > >> it forgets everything as soon as its window of context is too large. > >> > >> Best wishes, and happy doing something the A.I. cannot! > > I don't know what is a "transactional file system".. > > > > but I know of things Ai cannot do because it simply has not learned it > > yet, that's > > where you come in and 'train it' yourself. > > Seems you claim you're an NTFS "expert" and didn't know about this? > Ok, I'll repeat again in English... I wrote: "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." but I know of things Ai cannot do because it simply has not learned it yet, that's where you come in and *train it* 'yourself'. *train it* 'yourself'. *train it* 'yourself'. First collect links (books, pdf's) either from the internet or your own documents, and Upload it to Ai. and Upload it to Ai. and Upload it to Ai. and don't forget to Upload it to Ai. It will read it all, and then tell Ai ... ---------------------begins here------------------------------- PROMPT: Role: You are a knowledgeable expert on the topic below. Task: Role: You are a knowledgeable Transactional expert ------------------------------ends here-------------------- https://www.google.com/search?q=PROMPT%3A+Role%3A+You+are+a+knowledgeable+Transactional+expert 'wats wes gots heres is a failure to communicate' -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 10:01 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <kQCxS.34345$zKXe.14887@fx12.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1151954 |
On 10/8/2026 9:08 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Ok, I'll repeat again in English... > > I wrote: > > "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." > "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." > "I don't know what is a "transactional file system".." And I both gave you a link, and told you. You claim to have some sort of /super intelligence/ yet you cannot grasp the most fundamentals of reading comprehension? So, what exactly are you? Do you think you get any respect by posting gibberish in alt.usage.english? Have you even read any of Jabu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan's work? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | occam <occam@nowhere.nix> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 09:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <niotg5FiuieU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1151938 |
On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>> >> >> <snip> >> > > So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I > go about that in the first place? Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 21:11 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <IDMxS.11458$AQqd.8818@fx11.ams4> |
| In reply to | #1151964 |
On 10/8/2026 3:02 PM, occam wrote: > On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >> >> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >> go about that in the first place? > > Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. I'm far away from your gutters. So you'd have to buy the remote controlled robots from -- who was it? -- Boston Robotics first. At that point, it's probably cheaper to hire a human locally. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 17:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mgdfcl9tq9te9arctammtv245dbqmfpnjg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1151964 |
On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 09:02:30 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote: >On 07/10/2026 20:03, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 10/7/2026 11:15 PM, occam wrote: >>> On 02/10/2026 22:51, Bob wrote: >>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> writes: >>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >> >> So, what happens if I want to do something the A.I. cannot do? How do I >> go about that in the first place? > >Can you clean gutters? My roof gutters need cleaning. Mine too. Is it possible that aue might be useful for something that *couldn't* be done in 5 second on the Internet? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 17:09 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87se2gnecp.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #1151995 |
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> writes: > Is it possible that aue might be useful for something that *couldn't* > be done in 5 second on the Internet? The remarkable capacity for pattern recogniton [1] has been upstaged and the public awareness hijacked by the stunning breakthrough of LLMs in natural language. Language fits the internet perfectly. Medical diagnosis from various image data and weeding large vinyards by AI-controlled robots come to mind. [1] "Pattiducking", if you remember reading Stand on Zanzibar -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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