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| Started by | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| First post | 2025-02-17 00:39 +1100 |
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So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-17 00:39 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-16 15:06 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-02-16 15:45 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-18 19:37 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-18 19:43 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-02-18 12:01 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-18 09:41 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-18 20:32 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-18 14:51 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-18 21:59 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-16 09:59 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-02-16 16:43 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-16 16:21 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Rick <rick@nospam.com> - 2025-02-16 11:33 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-18 20:00 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-18 19:56 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-18 11:17 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-21 18:02 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-21 12:02 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-21 22:55 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-21 14:16 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 00:23 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-25 14:38 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-25 14:30 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-21 11:07 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-21 15:19 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 16:04 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 18:15 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-26 07:08 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-26 15:29 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-27 19:00 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:52 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-27 11:24 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-27 13:57 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-27 09:53 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-27 15:31 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-27 13:27 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-27 19:00 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-27 20:37 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-28 19:38 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-28 11:13 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 02:36 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-02 00:51 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-02 18:59 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-04 23:32 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 22:13 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-03-01 22:27 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 00:41 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-02 01:06 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-03 10:22 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-04 19:26 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-27 14:05 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-28 20:06 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-28 11:24 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-28 14:50 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-16 10:53 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-16 14:04 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-16 21:52 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-17 19:40 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:15 -0600
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-17 21:05 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-02-18 02:31 -0600
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-18 13:29 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-18 20:29 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-20 21:09 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-20 13:27 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-20 17:46 -0800
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-21 18:08 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-21 12:11 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-21 18:40 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-02-21 19:30 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2025-02-22 04:02 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-22 19:54 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-02-25 12:28 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 03:46 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-21 22:37 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-22 21:58 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-25 14:19 +0100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-21 18:36 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-21 08:34 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-21 18:31 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2025-02-22 03:53 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Rick <rick@nospam.com> - 2025-02-16 10:54 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-02-16 17:01 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-18 09:57 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-16 10:34 -0800
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-02-17 08:52 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-17 14:49 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-18 20:17 +1100
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2025-02-21 10:35 +0000
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-21 12:41 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-02-26 18:53 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-26 20:14 -0500
Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 02:39 +0000
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 00:39 +1100 |
| Subject | So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference?? |
| Message-ID | <vospql$k77g$1@dont-email.me> |
I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but then needed to check if I needed DVD-R or DVD+R disks. (It is DVD-R) Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R?? (Note ... I'm not discussing R v RW, just the -/+.) Back in the day (70's/80's), I used to do some Digital work where 'they' talked about Positive Logic (Ones = +5V, Zeros = Zero volts) and Negative Logic (Ones = Zero Volts and Zeros = +5V or even Ones = -5V and Zeros = Zero Volts), so I can understand/accept that there are differences ..... but with DVDs?? On a +R DVD, are the 'Ones' high points on the disk whilst on a -R DVD are the 'ones' the low points on the disk?? (Or, rather than 'highs' and 'lows', is it a case of the orientations of the 'North Poles' and 'South Poles' of the Domains??) -- Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 15:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m1e9mbF22aqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80982 |
On 2025-02-16 14:39, Daniel70 wrote:
> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll
> want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the
> 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but
> then needed to check if I needed DVD-R or DVD+R disks. (It is DVD-R)
>
> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R and
> DVD+R??
>
> (Note ... I'm not discussing R v RW, just the -/+.)
>
> Back in the day (70's/80's), I used to do some Digital work where 'they'
> talked about Positive Logic (Ones = +5V, Zeros = Zero volts) and
> Negative Logic (Ones = Zero Volts and Zeros = +5V or even Ones = -5V and
> Zeros = Zero Volts), so I can understand/accept that there are
> differences ..... but with DVDs??
>
> On a +R DVD, are the 'Ones' high points on the disk whilst on a -R DVD
> are the 'ones' the low points on the disk?? (Or, rather than 'highs' and
> 'lows', is it a case of the orientations of the 'North Poles' and 'South
> Poles' of the Domains??)
I don't remember, but I investigated the issue at the time, and the
boxes I have are +R
There was a site that discussed the pros and cons of archival quality
DVDs [...] found them.
<https://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm>
<https://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media/>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 15:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m1ebvgF3jc5U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80982 |
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R??
The main difference between DVD-R+ and DVD-R- formats lies in the
recording technology and how the discs handle data.
DVD-R (minus):
Developed by the DVD Forum.
Uses a pre-grooved spiral for writing data, and the laser writes
data in the grooves.
More compatible with older DVD players and drives.
Generally considered the more "universal" format, especially in
standalone DVD players.
DVD+R (plus):
Developed by the DVD+RW Alliance.
Uses a different writing technique that provides better error
management.
The writing process can be more efficient, which could result in
slightly faster burning speeds and improved quality in some cases.
Some newer devices might support DVD+R better, as the technology
offers more advanced features like Better error correction.
Compatibility:
DVD-R discs are generally more compatible with older players, while
DVD+R discs may have better support in newer models.
Both formats are compatible with most modern DVD drives, though
sometimes you may encounter issues with older hardware when using DVD+R.
Other minor differences:
DVD+R offers a feature called Lossless Linking, which allows it to
handle burning data in a more efficient manner, leading to fewer
potential errors.
DVD-R is often considered slightly more stable in terms of long-term
storage.
In summary, while both formats serve similar purposes, DVD+R generally
has a technical edge with features like error correction, whereas DVD-R
might be slightly more universally compatible.
(Thank you, ChatGPT.)
--
s|b
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 19:37 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp1gru$1kd7a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80984 |
On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote: > On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > >> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R >> and DVD+R?? > > The main difference between DVD-R+ and DVD-R- formats lies in the > recording technology and how the discs handle data. > > DVD-R (minus): > Developed by the DVD Forum. Uses a pre-grooved > *spiral* for writing data, and the laser writes data in the grooves. "spiral"?? Old Records, sure, but I thought CDs/DVDs had multiple actual rings/tracks!! -- Daniel70
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 19:43 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp1h7n$1kd7h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81003 |
On 18/02/2025 7:37 pm, Daniel70 wrote: > On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >> >>> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R >>> and DVD+R?? >> >> The main difference between DVD-R+ and DVD-R- formats lies in the >> recording technology and how the discs handle data. >> >> DVD-R (minus): > >> Developed by the DVD Forum. Uses a pre-grooved >> *spiral* for writing data, and the laser writes data in the grooves. > > "spiral"?? Old Records, sure, but I thought CDs/DVDs had multiple actual > rings/tracks!! (...Or am I remembering back to Floppies being multiple concentric tracks rather than CDs/DVDs?? ;-( ) -- Daniel70
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 12:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvr8tkp.983.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #81003 |
On 2025-02-18, Daniel70 wrote: > On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >> >>> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R >>> and DVD+R?? >> >> The main difference between DVD-R+ and DVD-R- formats lies in the >> recording technology and how the discs handle data. >> >> DVD-R (minus): > >> Developed by the DVD Forum. Uses a pre-grooved >> *spiral* for writing data, and the laser writes data in the grooves. > > "spiral"?? Old Records, sure, but I thought CDs/DVDs had multiple actual > rings/tracks!! Yes and no. The data starts at where-ever "ring" near the center, but after that, it just steps over as it reads (ultimately following a long spiral). It's not the same as magnetic media that used discrete cylinders. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 09:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vp2678$1o4pr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81003 |
On Tue, 2/18/2025 3:37 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
>>
>>> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R
>>> and DVD+R??
>>
>> The main difference between DVD-R+ and DVD-R- formats lies in the recording technology and how the discs handle data.
>>
>> DVD-R (minus):
>
>> Developed by the DVD Forum. Uses a pre-grooved
>> *spiral* for writing data, and the laser writes data in the grooves.
>
> "spiral"?? Old Records, sure, but I thought CDs/DVDs had multiple actual
> rings/tracks!!
There are actually two different kinds of DVD.
Most DVD types are spiral. It is one long 4.7GB track.
However, DVD-RAM uses concentric circles. The article says it is hard-sectored
by having marks on the disc for synchronization (like a write-splice in a sense).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
"DVD-RAMs were originally solely sold in disc caddy cartridges;
recent DVD recorders can work with discs either with or without a cartridge,"
A lot of people have gone through life, without ever
seeing one of those. You are more likely to have
seen an M-O media (magneto-optical) cartridge than a DVD-RAM.
Artists and people doing adverts in Illustrator,
are more likely to use M-O for storage.
The drive next to me, has this:
GH22LP20 22X drive
DVD-ROM (SL/DL) read
DVD-R/-RW read/write
DVD-R DL read/write
DVD-RAM (V2.0 or higher) read/write <=== can handle raw disc, just not the cart
DVD-Video (CSS Compliant) read
DVD+R/+RW read/write
DVD+R DL read/write
CD-R/-RW read/write
CD-ROM read
CD-DA (DAE) read
LightScribe write
Paul
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 20:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <pr3f8lx25f.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81013 |
On 2025-02-18 15:41, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 2/18/2025 3:37 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote: >>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > A lot of people have gone through life, without ever > seeing one of those. You are more likely to have > seen an M-O media (magneto-optical) cartridge than a DVD-RAM. > Artists and people doing adverts in Illustrator, > are more likely to use M-O for storage. > > The drive next to me, has this: > > GH22LP20 22X drive > > DVD-ROM (SL/DL) read > DVD-R/-RW read/write > DVD-R DL read/write > DVD-RAM (V2.0 or higher) read/write <=== can handle raw disc, just not the cart > DVD-Video (CSS Compliant) read > DVD+R/+RW read/write > DVD+R DL read/write > CD-R/-RW read/write > CD-ROM read > CD-DA (DAE) read > LightScribe write How did you get the list? I seem to recall a program in Linux that would obtain it, but I don't remember. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 14:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vp2ocg$1rpa8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81016 |
On Tue, 2/18/2025 2:32 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-02-18 15:41, Paul wrote: >> On Tue, 2/18/2025 3:37 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote: >>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > > >> A lot of people have gone through life, without ever >> seeing one of those. You are more likely to have >> seen an M-O media (magneto-optical) cartridge than a DVD-RAM. >> Artists and people doing adverts in Illustrator, >> are more likely to use M-O for storage. >> >> The drive next to me, has this: >> >> GH22LP20 22X drive >> >> DVD-ROM (SL/DL) read >> DVD-R/-RW read/write >> DVD-R DL read/write >> DVD-RAM (V2.0 or higher) read/write <=== can handle raw disc, just not the cart >> DVD-Video (CSS Compliant) read >> DVD+R/+RW read/write >> DVD+R DL read/write >> CD-R/-RW read/write >> CD-ROM read >> CD-DA (DAE) read >> LightScribe write > > How did you get the list? I seem to recall a program in Linux that would obtain it, but I don't remember. > You'd be surprised how hard it is to get that info :-) I got it off the back of the box. I was going to OCR it, but reordering the unformatted lines, it was faster to just type the stuff in. It's the computer way, doncha know (computer recipe too hard, resort to chisel and stone tablet). ******* On one occasion, I wanted to know what software was bundled with a particular DVD drive. I had to drive to the store and read the box, because no web site had the information, and only limited pictures of the box were available. The manufacturer web site did *not* have the information. ******* There was a Nero Infotool that used to give some info. There might have been a second tool like that, but it has been quite a while since the topic has come up. There is a picture of Nero Infotool here. It was actually written by an independent dev outside Nero and bundled as freeware. You could download it off the Nero FTP site, at least for a while, gratis. https://whatsoftware.com/do-you-know-your-cd-or-dvd-drive-burning-capabilities/ Apparently IMGBurn has a Device Capabilities pane. I don't really know where that information is stored, and how you access it. It appears that not ever dev is a success at a job like this. It takes multiple attempts and quite a bit of work, to get your tool to output the same info as the other tools. It's almost as hard as writing a "listdir.exe" for NTFS :-) Which is a bastard. Paul
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 21:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7v8f8lxjsq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81017 |
On 2025-02-18 20:51, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 2/18/2025 2:32 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-02-18 15:41, Paul wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2/18/2025 3:37 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2025 1:45 am, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:39:31 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A lot of people have gone through life, without ever
>>> seeing one of those. You are more likely to have
>>> seen an M-O media (magneto-optical) cartridge than a DVD-RAM.
>>> Artists and people doing adverts in Illustrator,
>>> are more likely to use M-O for storage.
>>>
>>> The drive next to me, has this:
>>>
>>> GH22LP20 22X drive
>>>
>>> DVD-ROM (SL/DL) read
>>> DVD-R/-RW read/write
>>> DVD-R DL read/write
>>> DVD-RAM (V2.0 or higher) read/write <=== can handle raw disc, just not the cart
>>> DVD-Video (CSS Compliant) read
>>> DVD+R/+RW read/write
>>> DVD+R DL read/write
>>> CD-R/-RW read/write
>>> CD-ROM read
>>> CD-DA (DAE) read
>>> LightScribe write
>>
>> How did you get the list? I seem to recall a program in Linux that would obtain it, but I don't remember.
>>
>
> You'd be surprised how hard it is to get that info :-)
>
> I got it off the back of the box.
LOL :-)
>
> I was going to OCR it, but reordering the unformatted lines,
> it was faster to just type the stuff in. It's the computer
> way, doncha know (computer recipe too hard, resort to
> chisel and stone tablet).
>
> *******
Reminds me. Yesterday night I was reading in bed "The daughters of Cain"
by Colin Dexter in my Kobo libra ebook reader. The chapters in this
particular book are preceded by a box with some Latin saying, maybe
poetry. I can not read Latin, I have forgotten what I learned of it. So
I took my phone, opened the translator app, tapped the camera icon, and
pointed to it.
The app translated the text, in the same appearance as the photo. Same
font. The letters wobble as my hand trembled a bit.
Amazing.
It appears as an actual photo/video with the letters appropriately
replaced with letters in my language. Seemingly as if the ebook was in
Spanish.
>
> On one occasion, I wanted to know what
> software was bundled with a particular DVD drive.
> I had to drive to the store and read the box, because
> no web site had the information, and only limited pictures
> of the box were available. The manufacturer web site did *not*
> have the information.
>
{chuckle}
> *******
>
> There was a Nero Infotool that used to give some info.
> There might have been a second tool like that, but it has
> been quite a while since the topic has come up.
>
> There is a picture of Nero Infotool here. It was actually written
> by an independent dev outside Nero and bundled as freeware. You could
> download it off the Nero FTP site, at least for a while, gratis.
>
> https://whatsoftware.com/do-you-know-your-cd-or-dvd-drive-burning-capabilities/
>
> Apparently IMGBurn has a Device Capabilities pane.
>
> I don't really know where that information is stored, and
> how you access it. It appears that not ever dev is a
> success at a job like this. It takes multiple attempts and
> quite a bit of work, to get your tool to output the same info
> as the other tools. It's almost as hard as writing
> a "listdir.exe" for NTFS :-) Which is a bastard.
>
> Paul
As it is a long time since I had to do this, maybe I also copied from
the box and I have forgotten :-D
Mine is a Blue-Ray writer, though.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 09:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vosuh6$l094$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80982 |
On Sun, 2/16/2025 8:39 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but then needed to check if I needed DVD-R or DVD+R disks. (It is DVD-R)
>
> Which got me thinking ...... What's the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R??
>
> (Note ... I'm not discussing R v RW, just the -/+.)
>
> Back in the day (70's/80's), I used to do some Digital work where 'they' talked about Positive Logic (Ones = +5V, Zeros = Zero volts) and Negative Logic (Ones = Zero Volts and Zeros = +5V or even Ones = -5V and Zeros = Zero Volts), so I can understand/accept that there are differences ..... but with DVDs??
>
> On a +R DVD, are the 'Ones' high points on the disk whilst on a -R DVD are the 'ones' the low points on the disk?? (Or, rather than 'highs' and 'lows', is it a case of the orientations of the 'North Poles' and 'South Poles' of the Domains??)
The tracking groove has a different encoding.
It is the loss of the tracking groove (to keep the heads over the spiral groove),
that determines when the media cannot be read. Generally speaking, the error correction
is so powerful, it can correct at "10^4 error rate", and even badly burned media
can kinda be read.
It is when the groove cannot be tracked, that the DVD drive "goes nuts"
and the interface tends to stop responding properly. For example, maybe
it ignores the button press on the front, to open the tray, if the
tracking is not working.
I had a Memorex disc once, which was damn close to transparent, and
there were no chemicals inside the polycarbonate sandwich. I had to use
a paper clip to get the disc out of the drive, the drive was that nuts.
The microprocessor inside the drive was insistent that it was going
to find that groove and lock to it, and it wasn't going to pay
attention to any button pushes.
*******
One of the formats, is ever so slightly more reliable than the other format.
But if the contrasting materials are all gone, it does not matter. Modern
media is not really all that wonderful, but it does not fail like the
Memorex disc did.
For example, there might not be any more Ritek. Maybe there is
CMC. My drive has trouble burning CMC -- you can tell the laser
is running at high power, as if there isn't a recognizable media
tag with burning instructions. Those were "Philips" brand, but
instead of Ritek, the discs were CMC. That's what the end of
the optical media era brings us, is discs that don't burn as nice.
Does anyone care ? Well, they can't care really, because Verbatim is
only going to carry one of the two formats, optical media is in decline,
and so on.
There used to be a web site which discussed the groove formats,
for the enthusiast to study.
*******
<CoPilot> [Since most of the description was wrong, I just collected breadcrumbs]
**DVD-R**: This format uses a technology called **groove modulation**
**DVD+R**: In contrast, DVD+R uses a method known as **wobble modulation**
*******
Recordable disc radial grooves are sinusoidal bending mode (snake-like). This structure is called wobble.
There are two wobble frequency for recordable CD, DVD-R(W) uses 140.6KHz, while the DVD+R(W) uses 817.4 KHz.
The wobble loads the information of the recordable CD. It can provide tracking information and speed information.
The addressing information varies according to formats.
- ATIP (Absolute Time in Pre-groove), which is to concoct the time into the wobble.
- ADIP (Address in Pre-groove, which is also to conduct the time code into wobble.
https://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/media/2566-how-wobble-groove.html
"The grooves of DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R and DVD+RW are spiral shaped.
The DVD-R and DVD-RW are set with LPP (land pre pit) with addressing information.
DVD+R(W) have a higher wobble frequency than that of DVD-R(W).
The addressing information is loaded on the Phase Modulation of groove, so it is also called ADIP.
The rut of pre-grooves DVD-R and DVD-RW is concocted with ATIP and the address information is
provided by the LPP. The pre pit shall offer the amplitude peak of the wobble signal of the groove.
The pre-groove of DVD+R and DVD+RW using a ADIP way with information loaded on the phase modulation of the groove.
*******
The phase modulation of DVD+R might be the more reliable method.
Therefore, Verbatim should sell DVD-R discs :-)
It looks like in my last purchase, I got a short stack of +R dual layer (for Ubuntu or Windows)
and a taller stack of -R single layer for everything else. And they were probably
both Verbatim, as there has been much consolidation in the industry,
and abandonment of production.
The Ritek was pretty funny. At one time, you would get Maxell brand boxes,
and they had Ritek inside. Ritek mainly made bare media (stacks of discs no wrapping).
It was up to Fujitsu or Maxell to wrap the discs in a plastic cake box and
put a paper label around the circumference.
When the industry fell apart, the "packagers" quit the industry instantly.
suddenly, Ritek discovered there was no Maxell or Fujitsu to take containers
of discs and wrap them in pretty cake boxes.
The last loads of Ritek arrived on our fine shores, bereft of packaging.
Some idiot at the store, wrapped 100 disc piles in Saran Wrap :-)
That was some of the last Ritek I ever saw. The next year, even the Saran Wrap
version was gone :-) It's a damn shame, but there it is.
Paul
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| From | Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 16:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vot13j$l6oj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80982 |
On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: > I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll > want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the > 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100€ (10 Cent for 4 GByte) A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15€ (25 Cent for 4 GByte) A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vot6pi.c2o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80986 |
Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote: > On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: > > > I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll > > want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the > > 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but > > A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte) > A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte) > A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) > > So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice. That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc.. Daniel will correct me, if that's incorrect for his PVR, but that's the way it is/was for my (Sonly) PVR. Copy-protection, digital rights management, copyright, author's rights and all that jazz. Yes, silly, but, at least in my case, fact.
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| From | Rick <rick@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 11:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c6dd27a03c1386d3c0c2ca64b4ed8cd0666ebd67@i2pn2.org> |
| In reply to | #80989 |
On 2/16/2025 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote: >> On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: >> >>> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs I'll >>> want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the >>> 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but >> >> A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte) >> A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >> A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >> >> So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice. > > That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy > to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc.. > > Daniel will correct me, if that's incorrect for his PVR, but that's > the way it is/was for my (Sonly) PVR. Copy-protection, digital rights > management, copyright, author's rights and all that jazz. Yes, silly, > but, at least in my case, fact. I had a similar issue when I was getting rid of DirecTV. I had a few "key" programs recorded that I wanted to salvage, so I used a Hauppauge unit to essentially play the DVR recording and while it played, it transferred the program via cable to my computer in either .mkv or .mp4 format (can't remember which). The quality was excellent, but the only downside is having to "play" the video on the DVR as it transferred which means it takes two hours to transfer a two-hour program.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 20:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp1i89$1klsd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80990 |
On 17/02/2025 3:33 am, Rick wrote: > On 2/16/2025 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote: >>> On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: >>> >>>> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with programs >>>> I'll >>>> want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about coping some of the >>>> 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying a spool of DVD's.... but >>> >>> A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte) >>> A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >>> A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >>> >>> So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice. >> >> That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy >> to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc.. >> >> Daniel will correct me, if that's incorrect for his PVR, but that's >> the way it is/was for my (Sonly) PVR. Copy-protection, digital rights >> management, copyright, author's rights and all that jazz. Yes, silly, >> but, at least in my case, fact. > > I had a similar issue when I was getting rid of DirecTV. I had a few > "key" programs recorded that I wanted to salvage, so I used a Hauppauge > unit to essentially play the DVR recording and while it played, it > transferred the program via cable to my computer in either .mkv or .mp4 > format (can't remember which). The quality was excellent, but the only > downside is having to "play" the video on the DVR as it transferred > which means it takes two hours to transfer a two-hour program. .... but, Rick, doing it that way, could you pause (assuming you were actually watching at the time of transfer) the recording whilst any Commercials were playing?? -- Daniel70
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 19:56 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp1i0e$1kk72$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80989 |
On 17/02/2025 3:21 am, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote: >> On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: >> >>> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with >>> programs I'll want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about >>> coping some of the 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying >>> a spool of DVD's.... but >> >> A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte) >> A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >> A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) >> >> So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice. > > That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy > to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc.. > > Daniel will correct me, O.K., if you want me to, :-P .... My PVR certainly has USB connectors on the back panel and I have, previously, had a USB (5GB) stick plugged in. This is how I was going to transfer the files from the PVR to my old Laptop as it has a writeable DVD drive in it. > if that's incorrect for his PVR, but that's the way it is/was for my > (Sonly) PVR. "(Sonly)"?? Is that a typo, Frank?? ;-P > Copy-protection, digital rights management, copyright, author's > rights and all that jazz. Yes, silly, but, at least in my case, > fact. -- Daniel70
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 11:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vp1tp1.qgc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81005 |
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: > On 17/02/2025 3:21 am, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote: > >> On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote: > >> > >>> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with > >>> programs I'll want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about > >>> coping some of the 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying > >>> a spool of DVD's.... but > >> > >> A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte) > >> A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte) > >> A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte) > >> > >> So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice. > > > > That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy > > to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc.. > > > > Daniel will correct me, > > O.K., if you want me to, :-P .... > > My PVR certainly has USB connectors on the back panel and I have, > previously, had a USB (5GB) stick plugged in. > > This is how I was going to transfer the files from the PVR to my old > Laptop as it has a writeable DVD drive in it. But did you actually *do* it and *succeed*? For example, I have two PVRs (one for analog TV, one for digital (DVB-C)), which also have USB sockets, but they are only for playback *from* a USB memory-stick, not to copy *to* it. The reason for this is, as I wrote and quoted below, "Copy-protection, ...". > > if that's incorrect for his PVR, but that's the way it is/was for my > > (Sonly) PVR. > > "(Sonly)"?? Is that a typo, Frank?? ;-P Be glad. You got an extra character for free. Mostly my typos are missing or incorrect characters. > > Copy-protection, digital rights management, copyright, author's > > rights and all that jazz. Yes, silly, but, at least in my case, > > fact.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-21 18:02 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp98dq$39oor$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81009 |
On 18/02/2025 10:17 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> On 17/02/2025 3:21 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:
>>>> On 16.02.2025 14:39, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got a PVR who's HD is getting pretty full (90%+) with
>>>>> programs I'll want to watch some day ... so I was thinking about
>>>>> coping some of the 'Keeper' programs onto DVD which meant buying
>>>>> a spool of DVD's.... but
>>>>
>>>> A 4 TByte 2.5" USB Disk costs about 100? (10 Cent for 4 GByte)
>>>> A 256 GByte USB flash drive costs about 15? (25 Cent for 4 GByte)
>>>> A DVD-R costs about 25 Cent (25 Cent for 4 GByte)
>>>>
>>>> So a DVD-R is by far the worst choice.
>>>
>>> That's all very nice, but the PVR will probably only be able to copy
>>> to DVD, but not to an external USB HDD or USB memory stick, etc..
>>>
>>> Daniel will correct me,
>>
>> O.K., if you want me to, :-P ....
>>
>> My PVR certainly has USB connectors on the back panel and I have,
>> previously, had a USB (5GB) stick plugged in.
>>
>> This is how I was going to transfer the files from the PVR to my old
>> Laptop as it has a writeable DVD drive in it.
>
> But did you actually *do* it and *succeed*?
Yes ..... but no!!
This afternoon, I switched off my PVR (just to be sure!), inserted my
USB drive into the appropriate socket on the PVR's back panel, turned on
the PVR and went looking!!
When I saw, in the PVR settings, the "Safely remove the USB drive."
setting was still greyed out, I figured I'd done something wrong ... So
PVR off, USB drive out, tried inserting it elsewhere (fail), re-inserted
the USB Drive in the same socket .... and Success!!
So I copied a program ('QI', British half hour 'Comedy' program) from
the PVR's HD to the USB Drive, ejected the USB Drive (i.e. 'Safely
remove ....'), booted this Win 11 Desktop, inserted the USB Drive, File
Explorer, double clicked on the big file titled '000' (116MB+) which
started up Media Player ..... only to find out my Win-11 has no MPEG2
codec/whatever ("Checking codec availability. We're checking if we have
a codec for this item."). ;-(
--
Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-21 12:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <433m8lx0rq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81024 |
On 2025-02-21 08:02, Daniel70 wrote:
> So I copied a program ('QI', British half hour 'Comedy' program) from
> the PVR's HD to the USB Drive, ejected the USB Drive (i.e. 'Safely
> remove ....'), booted this Win 11 Desktop, inserted the USB Drive, File
> Explorer, double clicked on the big file titled '000' (116MB+) which
> started up Media Player ..... only to find out my Win-11 has no MPEG2
> codec/whatever ("Checking codec availability. We're checking if we have
> a codec for this item."). ;-(
Install VLC.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-21 22:55 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vp9pkb$3ckli$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81028 |
On 21/02/2025 10:02 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-02-21 08:02, Daniel70 wrote:
>> So I copied a program ('QI', British half hour 'Comedy' program) from
>> the PVR's HD to the USB Drive, ejected the USB Drive (i.e. 'Safely
>> remove ....'), booted this Win 11 Desktop, inserted the USB Drive,
>> File Explorer, double clicked on the big file titled '000' (116MB+)
>> which started up Media Player ..... only to find out my Win-11 has no
>> MPEG2 codec/whatever ("Checking codec availability. We're checking if
>> we have a codec for this item."). ;-(
>
> Install VLC.
>
Maybe .... after I install Linux ... Dual boot!
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Daniel70
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