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  What do you recommend for free web proxy services? "D. Porco" <dporco@us.wash.edu> - 2015-12-27 22:35 +0000
    Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2015-12-28 10:24 +0100
      Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-28 03:02 -0700
        Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? George Paul <georgepaul@example.com> - 2015-12-29 22:18 +0000
          Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2015-12-30 10:10 +0100
            Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 02:53 -0700
              Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2015-12-30 13:19 +0100
                Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? Vincent Cheng Hoi Chuen <vchenghcv102@hotmail.com.hk> - 2015-12-30 18:44 +0000
            Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? Vlad Lescovitz <vlad@vladlescovitz.org> - 2015-12-30 18:39 +0000
              Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 12:46 -0600
                Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? Vlad Lescovitz <vlad@vladlescovitz.org> - 2015-12-30 19:00 +0000
                  Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 14:27 -0600
                    Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? Vlad Lescovitz <vlad@vladlescovitz.org> - 2015-12-30 20:51 +0000
                      Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 15:17 -0600
                        Re: What do you recommend for free web proxy services? Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-30 16:32 -0500

#32872 — What do you recommend for free web proxy services?

A friend suggested that I could gain a little anonymity by using a free 
proxy server.

Googling for that, I found a confusing array of convoluted information.
https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy
https://www.ehow.com/list_6152987_top-ten-proxy-servers.html
http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-proxy-server/28112/

So I'm a little confused as to what we gain with a proxy server.

If all I'm using is the web, is a free proxy server more useful than
trying to figure out a free vpn server? Or is tor better than both?

Or, can they be combined all three?
What do you recommend for free web proxy services?

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#32874

On 12/27/2015 11:35 PM, D. Porco wrote:
> A friend suggested that I could gain a little anonymity by using a free 
> proxy server.
> 
> Googling for that, I found a confusing array of convoluted information.
> https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy
> https://www.ehow.com/list_6152987_top-ten-proxy-servers.html
> http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-proxy-server/28112/
> 
> So I'm a little confused as to what we gain with a proxy server.

At the first glance it looks like you are located somewhere else than
you actually are, fingerprinting will still give the same result as
without. Some plugins/extensions may not use the proxy (depends on how
they work), but could make a direct connection.


> If all I'm using is the web, is a free proxy server more useful than
> trying to figure out a free vpn server? Or is tor better than both?

The VPN will enforce all traffic to use the same route, but it will not
make you anonym as you still will provide the same cookies and
fingerprint results, so it's still possible to figure out you are you.


> Or, can they be combined all three?
> What do you recommend for free web proxy services?

Sure you can combine things, just makes your setup more prone to fail,
specially with free services which do not always have a good uptime, but
for the anonymity will make small difference.

Go for a browser that is made for anonymity which do not allow canvas
fingerprinting and you will be more anonym than using some free services
which tend to not work that well.

-- 

 //Aho

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#32876

J.O. Aho wrote:

> Go for a browser that is made for anonymity which do not allow canvas
> fingerprinting and you will be more anonym than using some free
> services which tend to not work that well.

I'm still using iceweasel on my test machine, it shows me how much 
slower it's getting update by update.

But for real use, I'm wondering what might be good.  Konqueror?  Dillo?  
I know Dillow doesn't support all the "html" that is currently in use.  
I'm not sure about Konqueror, but it seems like it might make a good 
file-manager or even a user-interface device if it's set up the right 
way for that.

Which browser do you use?  Why that one?

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]

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#32920

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 03:02:26 -0700, crankypuss wrote:

> Which browser do you use?  Why that one?

I wouldn't worry so much about the browser but about the proxy.
The proxy hides you so that your browser fingerprint won't matter.

Try these for size.
https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy
https://www.ehow.com/how_6065051_use-proxy-server.html
http://www.ehow.com/list_6576855_list-anonymous-proxy-servers.html
https://www.ehow.com/list_6152987_top-ten-proxy-servers.html
https://www.ehow.com/how_2269615_use-a-proxy.html
http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-proxy-server/28112/

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#32934

On 12/29/2015 11:18 PM, George Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 03:02:26 -0700, crankypuss wrote:
> 
>> Which browser do you use?  Why that one?
> 
> I wouldn't worry so much about the browser but about the proxy.
> The proxy hides you so that your browser fingerprint won't matter.

Browser fingerprint is a lot more accurate than an IP, as the majority
of online users are using a dynamic ip, which in some cases can change a
lot (specially laptop users), but the fingerprint is always the same and
can be used to track you quite well, see your habits, so QupZilla could
be a better option as a browser than a traditional one, but not sure if
it will protect you against canvas fingerprinting.

There are some networks that say they can for 99% certainty tell if a
user is the same, even if they switch from chrome to firefox on the same
computer.

-- 

 //Aho

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#32935

J.O. Aho wrote:

> On 12/29/2015 11:18 PM, George Paul wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 03:02:26 -0700, crankypuss wrote:
>> 
>>> Which browser do you use?  Why that one?
>> 
>> I wouldn't worry so much about the browser but about the proxy.
>> The proxy hides you so that your browser fingerprint won't matter.
> 
> Browser fingerprint is a lot more accurate than an IP, as the majority
> of online users are using a dynamic ip, which in some cases can change
> a lot (specially laptop users), but the fingerprint is always the same
> and can be used to track you quite well, see your habits, so QupZilla
> could be a better option as a browser than a traditional one, but not
> sure if it will protect you against canvas fingerprinting.
> 
> There are some networks that say they can for 99% certainty tell if a
> user is the same, even if they switch from chrome to firefox on the
> same computer.

Do you know offhand what they're using to construct the fingerprint?

Back in the early '90s I was selling some software that I encrypted 
based on the purchaser's fingerprint, such that it took that fingerprint 
to decrypt the product.  At the time I was using Windows and things like 
drive-size, monitor-size, various physical characteristics were what I 
could find as the basis for a fingerprint.

So I'm just curious about what's being used this week.  I'm not sure if 
the concept of fingerprinting is a good thing or a bad thing.  The whole 
concept of individual identification is a can of spaghetti from a social 
and economic point of view.  

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]

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#32946

On 12/30/2015 10:53 AM, crankypuss wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
> 
>> On 12/29/2015 11:18 PM, George Paul wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 03:02:26 -0700, crankypuss wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which browser do you use?  Why that one?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't worry so much about the browser but about the proxy.
>>> The proxy hides you so that your browser fingerprint won't matter.
>>
>> Browser fingerprint is a lot more accurate than an IP, as the majority
>> of online users are using a dynamic ip, which in some cases can change
>> a lot (specially laptop users), but the fingerprint is always the same
>> and can be used to track you quite well, see your habits, so QupZilla
>> could be a better option as a browser than a traditional one, but not
>> sure if it will protect you against canvas fingerprinting.
>>
>> There are some networks that say they can for 99% certainty tell if a
>> user is the same, even if they switch from chrome to firefox on the
>> same computer.
> 
> Do you know offhand what they're using to construct the fingerprint?

As far as I can remember, it's been installed plug-ins, fonts and
canvas, also some uses bugs in browsers which may allow them to access
either cookies or visited pages.


> So I'm just curious about what's being used this week.  I'm not sure if 
> the concept of fingerprinting is a good thing or a bad thing.  The whole 
> concept of individual identification is a can of spaghetti from a social 
> and economic point of view.  

Today's browser fingerprinting is much used to figure out a persons
interests and then server matching advertisements, as if you are
interested in cars it's more likely you would buy some car accessory
than lipstick.
The more they know about you, the better they can market products to
you. Google has the great advantage of reading your gmail and using
their super cookie to track you online too... of course google needs
money to stay in business, so not strange they try to be the best
advertisement provider.

-- 

 //Aho

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#32976

"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote in dei0eaFj8pmU1@mid.individual.net:

> As far as I can remember, it's been installed plug-ins, fonts and
> canvas, also some uses bugs in browsers which may allow them to access
> either cookies or visited pages.

I don't know of any domain that actually does fingerprinting but there 
are a half dozen sites that test your fingerprint for you.

Here is an alias I found here a while back from marek I think.
alias tab='firefox http://panopticlick.eff.org http://whatsmyuseragent.com http://whatsmy.browsersize.com http://browserspy.dk https://www.dnsleaktest.com https://www.browserleaks.com/canvas http://dev.jeffersonscher.com/jstest.asp http://whatismyipaddress.com http://ipleak.net/ http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/features/test/ about:support 2> /dev/null &'

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#32975

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:10:36 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

> Browser fingerprint is a lot more accurate than an IP, as the majority
> of online users are using a dynamic ip, which in some cases can change a
> lot (specially laptop users), but the fingerprint is always the same

I wonder how many web sites actually bother to do browser fingerprinting.
Certainly we can see it at panopticlick.

But is it like the razors in the candy apple at Halloween time?
Do you know of any web site that is *known* to do browser fingerprinting?

How many do you think actually go to the trouble?

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#32977

Vlad Lescovitz writes:
> I wonder how many web sites actually bother to do browser fingerprinting.
> Certainly we can see it at panopticlick.

> But is it like the razors in the candy apple at Halloween time?
> Do you know of any web site that is *known* to do browser fingerprinting?

> How many do you think actually go to the trouble?

Why do you care?  What horrific fate will you be damned to if they do?
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#32978

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:46:28 -0600, John Hasler wrote:

> Why do you care?  
> What horrific fate will you be damned to if they do?

Because eating an apple with a razor can slice your tongue off.

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#32985

Vlad Lescovitz writes:
> Because eating an apple with a razor can slice your tongue off.

Yes but Apple is sooo coool!

Besides, don't Apple users have metal in their tongues already?
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#32987

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:27:36 -0600, John Hasler wrote:

> Yes but Apple is sooo coool!
> 
> Besides, don't Apple users have metal in their tongues already?

Seriously though. 
If /you/ are not worried about your privacy online, then that's
OK. But, there are many innocent people who /do/ care about 
their privacy.

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#32992

Vlad Lescovit writes:
> Seriously though.  If /you/ are not worried about your privacy online,
> then that's OK. But, there are many innocent people who /do/ care
> about their privacy.

The only thing "they" learn from browser fingerprinting is that this is
probably the same guy that was here last time.  Your IP usually gives
them that anyway.  Most "innocent" people are surfing the Web with
cookies, script, and Web bugs totally unrestricted.  It's silly for them
to then worry about their privacy being invaded by fingerprinting.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#32995

On 12/30/2015 04:17 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Vlad Lescovit writes:
>> Seriously though.  If /you/ are not worried about your privacy online,
>> then that's OK. But, there are many innocent people who /do/ care
>> about their privacy.
>
> The only thing "they" learn from browser fingerprinting is that this is
> probably the same guy that was here last time.  Your IP usually gives
> them that anyway.  Most "innocent" people are surfing the Web with
> cookies, script, and Web bugs totally unrestricted.  It's silly for them
> to then worry about their privacy being invaded by fingerprinting.
>

This is long but could be an eye opener.
HOPE X: You've Lost Privacy, Now They're Taking Anonymity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNZrq2iK87k

-- 
Caver1

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