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Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:22:51 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Notice that I said router, not client radio, access point, or some
> unspecified software running on your unspecified smartphone.  The
> "hardware clone" feature found in consumer router firmware only
> changes the WAN port MAC address.

Hi Jeff,
I do remember almost everything that you've ever said, that I understood.

And, while most people *think* you can clone the LAN ports "of the router",
it's not so easy (as you are explaining). Basically, for "our" purposes,
changing the WiFi (2.4GHz or 5GHz) Access Point MAC address can't easily be
done on a typical home router even though you are "admin" on that router.

I have no idea if *that* restriction applies to a *cell phone* so I will
read on ...

> Like a PC or laptop allows anyone to
> change the MAC address of its ethernet port or wireless device, you
> *can* change the MAC address of a software based smartphone access point
> if you have root access.

Ooooooh.... this is new. Interesting too... Please do go on... 

> However, that's for a normal router that hasn't been hacked or hasn't had
> the firmware replaced.  

Ok. Fair enough. So you're saying that the Access Point (5Ghz and 2.4GHz)
MAC address is not easy to change on a router that doesn't have the
firmware replaced with custom softwqare.

> If you have root and shell access, you can
> just use ifconfig to change the MAC address of any addressable port.
> For example, in DD-WRT:
>   ifconfig wlan0 down
>   ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 11:22:33:44:55:66
>   ifconfig wlan0 up

I do this on Linux daily (I have a script) - so - are you saying that if
you had root access to an iOS or Android cellhone or if you have "special"
more-than-root access on a router, that you *can* easily change the MAC
address that is associated with the cellphone's SSID access point?

> If you root it, you
> can again use ifconfig to change the MAC address of any port.
> <http://www.gohacking.com/spoof-mac-address-on-android-phones/>

OK. SO is this the summary?
1. ROUTER
a. You have root access on the router, but you still can't change the
Access Point MAC address on most consumer router firmware
b. However, if you load *special* router firmware, you *can* change the
Access Point MAC address <=== Is that what you're saying?

2. CELLPHONE
a. You do not have root access on either an iOS or Android cellphone unless
you jailbrake or root it, so you can't change the MAC address of the access
point of a non-rooted (aka non jailbroken) iOS or Android device.
b. However, if you jailbreak (or root) the iOS or Android device, you *can*
change the access point MAC address (which is what Google harvests).
 
> If you want to drive Google partly nuts, just change your smartphone
> wi-fi MAC address at irregular intervals.  That won't stop them from
> tracking you by some of the other stuff they are harvesting from your
> phone, but it's a good start.

We already know there is one way to prevent them from *harvesting* an
access point MAC address - and there is another (different) way to prevent
Google from *saving* your harvested access point MAC address - and there is
yet another way to (do something) with respect to Microsoft harvesting of
your access point MAC address:

1. If you *hide* the access point SSID broadcast, poorly configured Android
devices will *not* send your access point MAC address to Google.
2. If you append *_nomac* to the end of your access point SSID, then Google
promises to remove your access point from their database.
3. If you insert "_optout", then Microsoft will leave you alone (somehow)

> Gotta stop typing for a day.  I tried to start a chain saw today and
> now right wrist is swollen.

Ouch. I use a chain saw a *lot* as I create paths that go for miles and
miles and miles, so I have to cut a lot of dead wood to clear it away. My
Stihl is pretty good about starting up, but still - it's a pull on the
wrist.

Please heal. We need your acumen on her, as there's precious little to go
around.

Looking at the reference for spoofing the MAC on Android & iOS, it seems
these are the requirements for Spoofing the Access Point MAC Address:
a. Rooted Android Phone
b. BusyBox app installed on your phone
c. Once BusyBox is installed, you need to install Terminal app

Here's how to do it manually (according to that reference):
$ su 
$ busybox iplink show eth0 
(This will show your current MAC address, just for your confirmation)
$ busybox ifconfig eth0 hw ether DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE 

You have now spoofed your MAC address successfully. To check for the change
enter the following command again:
$ busybox iplink show eth0 

Here are two apps that do it for you (according to Google Play):

Wifi Mac Changer by Osama Abukmail 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wireless.macchanger&hl=en

MacMan by Maxters 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.maxters.droid.macman&hl=en

Do you think the process to spoof the Access Point MAC address is similar
for jailbroken iOS phones?

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How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 06:00 +0000
  Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-13 15:34 +0200
    Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 16:06 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Vladimir <niemda@me.com> - 2016-09-13 20:47 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-14 00:20 +0200
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 04:41 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-09-14 00:27 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 04:41 +0000
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-14 07:35 +0100
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-14 07:54 +0000
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-15 11:53 +0100
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-15 08:45 -0700
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-15 08:51 -0700
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:30 +0000
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:43 +0000
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-16 13:04 -0700
              Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 20:23 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-15 08:31 -0700
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-15 09:49 -0700
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:33 +0000
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 19:22 +0200
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:30 +0000
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-16 13:16 -0700
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 04:52 +0000
  Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-09-14 00:24 +0000
    Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 04:40 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet bruce <bruce@invalid.dyndns.tv.invalid> - 2016-09-14 18:41 -0400
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:56 +0000
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet bruce <bruce@invalid.dyndns.tv.invalid> - 2016-09-17 16:12 -0400
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> - 2016-09-17 19:04 -0400
              Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 03:43 +0000
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 02:30 +0000
              Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 22:54 -0400
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 03:43 +0000
      Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> - 2016-09-15 01:04 -0400
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 23:17 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 23:36 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 01:59 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 01:59 +0000
          Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-16 22:22 -0700
            Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 06:17 +0000
              Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 06:32 +0000
                Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 10:08 -0400
                Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-09-17 16:13 +0200
                Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 03:43 +0000
                Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 03:49 +0000
                Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 04:00 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 01:59 +0000
        Re: How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 02:00 +0000

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