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  Linux Mint 21.1 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-08 17:04 +0000
    Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-12-08 09:53 -0800
      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-12-08 13:50 -0500
        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-12-08 12:08 -0800
          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> - 2022-12-08 23:07 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-12-08 14:34 -0800
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-12-09 00:02 +0100
      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-08 18:59 +0000
        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-12-08 12:10 -0800
          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Rob H <rob@despammer.com> - 2022-12-09 17:41 +0000
            Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-12-09 13:07 -0500
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Rob H <rob@despammer.com> - 2022-12-10 13:01 +0000
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2022-12-11 22:42 +0000
    Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-08 20:25 +0000
    Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-12-20 18:17 -0500
    Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:01 +0100
      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 21:31 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 08:11 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> - 2022-12-22 14:18 +0100
          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-12-22 09:28 -0500
      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2022-12-23 20:42 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-23 20:10 +0000
          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 15:23 -0500
            Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-12-23 15:36 -0500
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 15:54 -0500
          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2022-12-28 09:16 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-28 08:51 +0000
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2022-12-28 14:09 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-12-28 07:04 -0500
              Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2022-12-28 14:09 +0100
                Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-12-28 08:24 -0500
                  Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-29 04:25 +0000
                    Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-12-29 07:23 -0500
                      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2022-12-30 11:44 +0000
                        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-12-30 09:03 -0500
                          Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-12-30 15:37 -0500
                        Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-12-30 09:59 -0500
                      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-31 08:48 +0000
                      Re: Linux Mint 21.1 Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2023-01-04 21:28 +0100

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#39560 — Linux Mint 21.1

<https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>

I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!

-- 

Jeff

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#39561

Jeff Layman wrote:
> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>
> 
> I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!
> 
Your 20.3 is supported until 2025 Apr.

How you update and upgrade is a personal choice.

Personally, I like to boot the releases (not necessarily the betas) live 
when they come available.  That isn't the same as 'adopting' whatever 
new release I've booted up.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39562

On 12/8/22 12:53, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>
>>
>> I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!
>>
> Your 20.3 is supported until 2025 Apr.
> 
> How you update and upgrade is a personal choice.
> 
> Personally, I like to boot the releases (not necessarily the betas) live when they come available.  That isn't the same 
> as 'adopting' whatever new release I've booted up.
> 
I load the new into a VM.  I can then play with it.
I've also loaded them onto a thumb drive.   The latter is better because it uses your real hardware, not virtualbox made 
up hardware.
	Al

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#39564

Big Al wrote:
> I load the new into a VM.  I can then play with it.
> I've also loaded them onto a thumb drive.   The latter is better because 
> it uses your real hardware, not virtualbox made up hardware.

I have never used what I consider a 'conventional' VM; but...

I have pretty much completely converted from 'conventionally' writing 
.iso/s to USB, historically w/ Rufus (for single) or Yumi (for multiple) 
both Wins, but now using Ventoy, which seems to me to be an 
'unconventional' VM, plus it can be managed w/ pure linux.

That is, I can't tell the difference between booting an .iso w/ Ventoy 
vs booting the .iso 'written out' w/ Rufus or Yumi.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39567

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 12:08:56 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> but now using Ventoy, which seems to me to be an 
> 'unconventional' VM, plus it can be managed w/ pure linux.

Today I read a horror story about Ventoy. When installed on a USB stick, it
posses it forever. Long story if you want to read
https://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue187_en.pdf
on page 49 in letters.

-- 
Mint 21, kernel 5.15.0-53-generic, Cinnamon 5.2.7
AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics, 16GB of DRAM.

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#39568

yossarian wrote:
> Today I read a horror story about Ventoy. When installed on a USB stick, it
> posses it forever. Long story if you want to read
> https://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue187_en.pdf
> on page 49 in letters.

I haven't specifically had problems w/ Ventoy sticks, but over the years 
of writing .iso/s to USB, I've encountered 'problems' w/ recovering or 
formatting a USB stick.

Rufus does a better job than almost anything else for problems.  It has 
been years since I've had to 'zero' a USB stick.

I'm not 'intimidated' by problems formatting a USB.  Until they die, 
which can also happen.  I doubt that Ventoy can kill a stick.

I saw that fullcircle mag. First, Adam sounds like he doesn't have as 
much experience writing .iso/s to USB as I have; and I didn't agree w/ 
one of his sentences about V' docs "The official documentation is 
complex and confusing,"

But, Adam was way ahead of AuntieE in terms of handling V. who said, "It 
also seems impossible to find out what version of Ventoy I have."  Not 
at all.  It is also very easy to update V.

Adam explained to AuntieE who did NOT make an adequate trouble report 
about the partition situation.  Depending on the formatter, sometimes 
multiple partitions make a USB formatter 'confused' or at least throwing 
up an alert about it.

As Adam said to AuntieE:"It is worth noting that Ventoy leaves the USB 
stick with two partitions, a large storage partition in exFat format, 
and a small (32 MB) EFI boot partition in FAT16 format,"

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39569

On 12/8/22 23:34, Mike Easter wrote:
> yossarian wrote:
>> Today I read a horror story about Ventoy. When installed on a USB 
>> stick, it
>> posses it forever. Long story if you want to read
>> https://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue187_en.pdf
>> on page 49 in letters.
> 
> I haven't specifically had problems w/ Ventoy sticks, but over the years 
> of writing .iso/s to USB, I've encountered 'problems' w/ recovering or 
> formatting a USB stick.
> 
> Rufus does a better job than almost anything else for problems.  It has 
> been years since I've had to 'zero' a USB stick.
> 
> I'm not 'intimidated' by problems formatting a USB.  Until they die, 
> which can also happen.  I doubt that Ventoy can kill a stick.
> 
> I saw that fullcircle mag. First, Adam sounds like he doesn't have as 
> much experience writing .iso/s to USB as I have; and I didn't agree w/ 
> one of his sentences about V' docs "The official documentation is 
> complex and confusing,"
> 
> But, Adam was way ahead of AuntieE in terms of handling V. who said, "It 
> also seems impossible to find out what version of Ventoy I have."  Not 
> at all.  It is also very easy to update V.
> 
> Adam explained to AuntieE who did NOT make an adequate trouble report 
> about the partition situation.  Depending on the formatter, sometimes 
> multiple partitions make a USB formatter 'confused' or at least throwing 
> up an alert about it.
> 
> As Adam said to AuntieE:"It is worth noting that Ventoy leaves the USB 
> stick with two partitions, a large storage partition in exFat format, 
> and a small (32 MB) EFI boot partition in FAT16 format,"
> 
FWIW, they're trying at least once to partition a mounted USB stick.
Not very convincing, is it?

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#39563

On 08/12/2022 17:53, Mike Easter wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>
>>
>> I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!
>>
> Your 20.3 is supported until 2025 Apr.
> 
> How you update and upgrade is a personal choice.

Indeed. I haven't checked, but how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 
to 2x.y in 2025 based perhaps on previous examples where a long-delayed 
upgrade was carried out?

> Personally, I like to boot the releases (not necessarily the betas) live
> when they come available.  That isn't the same as 'adopting' whatever
> new release I've booted up.

I might try that sometime from a memory stick. I've only ever done it 
with a iso from a DVD I've burnt.

-- 

Jeff

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#39565

Jeff Layman wrote:
> how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 to 2x.y in 2025 based perhaps 
> on previous examples where a long-delayed upgrade was carried out?

Mint provides an upgrade tool for that.  Previously it was managed in 
the update manager update, but now it is a specific package to be dl/ed 
and used.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39570

On 08/12/2022 20:10, Mike Easter wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>> how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 to 2x.y in 2025 based 
>> perhaps on previous examples where a long-delayed upgrade was carried 
>> out?
> 
> Mint provides an upgrade tool for that.  Previously it was managed in 
> the update manager update, but now it is a specific package to be dl/ed 
> and used.
> 

I downloaded the upgrade tool and when I ran it , it is still checking 
for system snapshots after almost 24 hours!

I don't think it's going to happen some how.

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#39571

On 12/9/22 12:41, this is what Rob H wrote:
> On 08/12/2022 20:10, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 to 2x.y in 2025 based perhaps on previous examples where a long-delayed 
>>> upgrade was carried out?
>>
>> Mint provides an upgrade tool for that.  Previously it was managed in the update manager update, but now it is a 
>> specific package to be dl/ed and used.
>>
> 
> I downloaded the upgrade tool and when I ran it , it is still checking for system snapshots after almost 24 hours!
> 
> I don't think it's going to happen some how.
That's my issue with that tool.  It seems to me at least to demand that you have snapshots working.  I don't.
Probably why my upgrades are a full reload.
	Al

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#39572

On 09/12/2022 18:07, Big Al wrote:
> On 12/9/22 12:41, this is what Rob H wrote:
>> On 08/12/2022 20:10, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 to 2x.y in 2025 based 
>>>> perhaps on previous examples where a long-delayed upgrade was 
>>>> carried out?
>>>
>>> Mint provides an upgrade tool for that.  Previously it was managed in 
>>> the update manager update, but now it is a specific package to be 
>>> dl/ed and used.
>>>
>>
>> I downloaded the upgrade tool and when I ran it , it is still checking 
>> for system snapshots after almost 24 hours!
>>
>> I don't think it's going to happen some how.
> That's my issue with that tool.  It seems to me at least to demand that 
> you have snapshots working.  I don't.
> Probably why my upgrades are a full reload.
>      Al
> 

I found that I had to reboot my system for the upgrade tool to work 
properly, and it did.
I am now running Mint 21

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#39573

On 2022-12-09, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 12/9/22 12:41, this is what Rob H wrote:
>> On 08/12/2022 20:10, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> how easy would it be to upgrade from 20.3 to 2x.y in 2025 based perhaps on previous examples where a long-delayed 
>>>> upgrade was carried out?
>>>
>>> Mint provides an upgrade tool for that.  Previously it was managed in the update manager update, but now it is a 
>>> specific package to be dl/ed and used.
>>>
>> 
>> I downloaded the upgrade tool and when I ran it , it is still checking for system snapshots after almost 24 hours!
>> 
>> I don't think it's going to happen some how.
> That's my issue with that tool.  It seems to me at least to demand that you have snapshots working.  I don't.
> Probably why my upgrades are a full reload.
> 	Al
>
The upgrade tool requires that there is an snapshot. So you can do one as
part of the upgrade.

Also upgrading within a major edition, 20.1 from 20.0 is easy compred to
21.3 to 21.0 say.

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#39566

On 08/12/2022 17:04, Jeff Layman wrote:
> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>
> 
> I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!
>
Hmm - just been pointed out to me that 21.1 is a beta!
(see <https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4442>). It wasn't mentioned on the 
page I linked to in my OP.

-- 

Jeff

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#39593

On 12/8/22 12:04, this is what Jeff Layman wrote:
> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>
> 
> I haven't yet updated from 20.3 to 21.0!
> 
The 21.1 ISO is available now (cinnamon at least).  skip the beta.

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#39598

Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>:
	
> <https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php>

Upgraded a few minutes ago. Fast and without problems, as expected.
 
I don't understand why a previously blue Mint-Y-Blue icon is now yellow. 
(there is Mint-Y-Blue-Legacy for the 'old' look).

(How to change the width of the huge Cinnamon menu:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1740583#p1740583
Height: menu settings; theme edits)


Yrrah

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#39600

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 15:01:10 +0100
Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> wrote:

> (How to change the width of the huge Cinnamon menu:
> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1740583#p1740583
> Height: menu settings; theme edits)

Does Not work in my case.

-- 
Mint 21, kernel 5.15.0-53-generic, Cinnamon 5.2.7
AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics, 16GB of DRAM.

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#39601

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 21:31:02 +0100
yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 15:01:10 +0100
> Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > (How to change the width of the huge Cinnamon menu:
> > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1740583#p1740583
> > Height: menu settings; theme edits)  
> 
> Does Not work in my case.
update
yoss@white:~$ xed ~/.local/share/cinnamon/applets/menu@cinnamon.org/applet.js
(xed:17392): Gtk-WARNING **: 21:15:26.209: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:80:0: Expected a valid selector
(xed:17392): Gtk-WARNING **: 21:15:26.209: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:91:0: Expected a valid selector

I don't know what that means, let search.

-- 
Mint 21, kernel 5.15.0-53-generic, Cinnamon 5.2.7
AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics, 16GB of DRAM.

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#39602

yossarian <nomail@gmail.com>:

> > (How to change the width of the huge Cinnamon menu:
> > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1740583#p1740583
> > Height: menu settings; theme edits)

> Does Not work in my case.

I forgot to mention that I use a modified Min-Y-Blue theme.

home/user/.themes/your-theme/cinnamon/cinnamon.css
Experiment with 'padding' in these classes: 
.menu-favorites-...
.menu-places-...
.menu-categories-...
.menu-applications-...
.menu-categories-...
.menu-application-...
.menu-category-...
.menu-selected-app-...
.menu-search-box

You may find this guide still useful:
http://caverdan.com/Mint18Themes/startpage.html

Yrrah

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#39603

On 12/22/22 08:18, this is what Yrrah wrote:
> yossarian <nomail@gmail.com>:
> 
>>> (How to change the width of the huge Cinnamon menu:
>>> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1740583#p1740583
>>> Height: menu settings; theme edits)
> 
>> Does Not work in my case.
> 
> I forgot to mention that I use a modified Min-Y-Blue theme.
> 
> home/user/.themes/your-theme/cinnamon/cinnamon.css
> Experiment with 'padding' in these classes:
> .menu-favorites-...
> .menu-places-...
> .menu-categories-...
> .menu-applications-...
> .menu-categories-...
> .menu-application-...
> .menu-category-...
> .menu-selected-app-...
> .menu-search-box
> 
> You may find this guide still useful:
> http://caverdan.com/Mint18Themes/startpage.html
> 
> Yrrah
> 
> 
> 
> 
I've done the same thing (personal theme).  I wanted so much changed it was easier (for me) to pick a theme that was 
really close and make changes.  Mostly colors, a few margins etc in the gtk3 and gtk2, and I did change cinnamon and 
make it appear better too.

However I never did anything about the width, and I do like the above change but it has it's faults.  If the applet is 
changed, and changed radically for some other updates, then your version you have in .local/share is out of date and may 
be faulty now.

I just like changing the cinnamon.css.  ".menu, .popup-menu, .popup-combo-menu" does have a width setting.   Mine is set 
for 800px.
	Al

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