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  HP split into two jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2015-11-04 23:25 +0000
    Re: HP split into two Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-04 18:36 -0500
      Re: HP split into two Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-04 22:58 -0500
        Re: HP split into two philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-11-05 05:16 -0600
          Re: HP split into two David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-05 11:28 +0000
            Re: HP split into two Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-11-05 11:44 +0000
              Re: HP split into two David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-05 11:52 +0000
              Re: HP split into two Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-06 09:40 -0800
            Re: HP split into two scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-05 14:15 +0000
              Re: HP split into two Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 07:48 -0500
          Re: HP split into two "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-05 07:37 -0600
            Re: HP split into two "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-05 13:50 +0000
            Re: HP split into two Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-11-05 20:47 -0500
          Re: HP split into two Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-05 14:08 +0000
            Re: HP split into two Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-05 13:00 -0500
              Re: HP split into two "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-05 18:44 +0000
                Re: HP split into two hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-11-08 18:03 +0000
            Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-05 21:16 +0000
              Re: HP split into two Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-06 08:02 +0000
                Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-06 09:20 +0000
                  Re: HP split into two Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-11-06 09:53 +0000
                    Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-06 11:58 +0000
                      Re: HP split into two Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-06 15:19 +0000
                        Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-06 19:30 +0000
                          Re: HP split into two Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-06 15:54 -0500
                            Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-06 23:02 +0000
                            Re: HP split into two Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-11-07 10:35 +0000
                        Re: HP split into two jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-07 13:45 +0000
                          Re: HP split into two Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-07 13:59 +0000
                            Re: HP split into two jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-08 13:46 +0000
            Re: HP split into two Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 21:19 +0000
              Re: HP split into two Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-06 10:16 +0000
                Re: HP split into two Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-06 17:22 +0000
                  Re: HP split into two Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 13:01 -0500
                Re: HP split into two Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:58 -0500
              Re: HP split into two Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:57 -0500
                Re: HP split into two Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-12 00:57 +0000
                  Re: HP split into two Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-11 23:33 -0500
                    Re: HP split into two Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-12 13:49 +0000
                      Re: HP split into two Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-11-12 10:55 -0700
                    Re: HP split into two hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-13 09:45 -0800
                      Re: HP split into two Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-13 12:58 -0500
                      Re: HP split into two Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-14 06:20 +0000
          Re: HP split into two Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:50 -0500

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#153978 — HP split into two

OK

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#153979

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Joe keane wrote:

> OK
>
>
Isn't it now into four?

In 1999, they got rid of the test equipment, creating Agilent.  Seemed sad 
that they didn't keep the name with the test equipment, but I guess by 
then most people knew the name because of consumer equipment.

HP is now splitting again, the "home computers" and printers in one, and
the rest in another.  Though this time both kept the name, sort of.

   Michael

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#153988

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:

> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Joe keane wrote:
>
>> OK
>>
>>
> Isn't it now into four?
>
> In 1999, they got rid of the test equipment, creating Agilent.  Seemed
> sad that they didn't keep the name with the test equipment, but I
> guess by then most people knew the name because of consumer equipment.
>
> HP is now splitting again, the "home computers" and printers in one, and
> the rest in another.  Though this time both kept the name, sort of.

They went through a bunch of stuff after that:

merger with Compaq in 2002
acquisition of EDS in 2008
acquisition of 3Com in 2009
buyout of Palm in 2010
buyout of 3PAR in 2010

A sign of no new ideas inside the company.

They're still profitable, but revenue is declining.
So, the ship has a leak.
They're moving the deck chairs.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#153994

On 11/04/2015 09:58 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Joe keane wrote:
>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>>
>> Isn't it now into four?
>>
>> In 1999, they got rid of the test equipment, creating Agilent.  Seemed
>> sad that they didn't keep the name with the test equipment, but I
>> guess by then most people knew the name because of consumer equipment.
>>
>> HP is now splitting again, the "home computers" and printers in one, and
>> the rest in another.  Though this time both kept the name, sort of.
>
> They went through a bunch of stuff after that:
>
> merger with Compaq in 2002
> acquisition of EDS in 2008
> acquisition of 3Com in 2009
> buyout of Palm in 2010
> buyout of 3PAR in 2010
>
> A sign of no new ideas inside the company.
>
> They're still profitable, but revenue is declining.
> So, the ship has a leak.
> They're moving the deck chairs.
>


Can't say much good about HP.

I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.


One of my friends worked there for many years...he wrote their printer 
drivers.

When he hit 60 though they got rid of him.


He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and 
now they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.

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#153995

philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:

>
> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and now
> they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.

There is the memristor.

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#154000

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:28:50 +0000, David Hume
<David.Hume@example.com> wrote:

>philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
>
>>
>> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and now
>> they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.
>
>There is the memristor.

Implemented in 1960 to make neural networks. It's only taken 55 years
for HP to notice!

Steve

-- 
Neural Network Software for Windows                 http://www.npsnn.com

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#154001

Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> writes:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:28:50 +0000, David Hume
> <David.Hume@example.com> wrote:
>
>>philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and now
>>> they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.
>>
>>There is the memristor.
>
> Implemented in 1960 to make neural networks. It's only taken 55 years
> for HP to notice!
>

According to wikipedia, memristor and memistor are not to be
confused. The term memristor is attributed to Leon Chua in 1971.

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#154092

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:45:02 AM UTC-7, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:28:50 +0000, David Hume
> <David.Hume@example.com> wrote:

> >There is the memristor.

> Implemented in 1960 to make neural networks. It's only taken 55 years
> for HP to notice!

They still seem to have beaten everyone else!

John Savard

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#154005

David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:
>philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
>
>>
>> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and now
>> they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.
>
>There is the memristor.

Which has been in the labs for well over a decade without ever
finding its way out.   Meanwhile, Micron and Intel have demonstrated
Optane last week at Oracle World, and expect to ship DIMMs[*] 1h2016.

Non-volatile, 10x denser than DRAM, 1000x faster than NAND flash

http://www.itworld.com/article/3000877/hardware/intel-offers-more-insight-on-its-3d-memory.html

[*] Yes, non-volatile main memory.  Back to the core days with instant-on!

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#154508

On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 02:15:12PM +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:
> >philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and now
> >> they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.
> >
> >There is the memristor.
> 
> Which has been in the labs for well over a decade without ever
> finding its way out.   Meanwhile, Micron and Intel have demonstrated
> Optane last week at Oracle World, and expect to ship DIMMs[*] 1h2016.
> 
> Non-volatile, 10x denser than DRAM, 1000x faster than NAND flash
> 
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3000877/hardware/intel-offers-more-insight-on-its-3d-memory.html
> 
> [*] Yes, non-volatile main memory.  Back to the core days with instant-on!

Ha!  Don't imagine that poorly written software will not continue to
expand and consume all available resources.



-- 
We all cannot be intelligent, but at least we can all be polite.

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#154002

"philo" wrote:

> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.
>
>
> One of my friends worked there for many years...he wrote their printer 
> drivers.
>
> When he hit 60 though they got rid of him.
>
>
> He told me that HP once made products that no one else could make...and 
> now they just make products that no one else wants to bother with.

I remember opening up my new HP-35 and seeing the super flexible power cord 
and thinking, these are *real* engineers. Soft carrying case, hard carrying 
case, nice manual, RPN. It left all the competitors in the dust.  ISTR they 
had a nice monthly bulletin, their equivalent to the BSTJ. Circa 1976.  They 
described putting clocks in planes and flying them around the world to see 
if Einstein was right.

It's so sad. 

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#154003

"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:da14dbF2igjU3@mid.individual.net...
> I remember opening up my new HP-35 and seeing the super flexible power 
> cord and thinking, these are *real* engineers. Soft carrying case, hard 
> carrying case, nice manual, RPN. It left all the competitors in the dust. 
> ISTR they had a nice monthly bulletin, their equivalent to the BSTJ. Circa 
> 1976.  They described putting clocks in planes and flying them around the 
> world to see if Einstein was right.
>
> It's so sad.

Indeed, for now AKA Hewlett Crapard.

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#154056

Osmium  wrote:

> ...  ISTR they 
>had a nice monthly bulletin, their equivalent to the BSTJ. Circa 1976.

The "HP Journal"
Here:  http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/hpjindex.html

R.W.

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#154007

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:16:40 -0600
philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

> Can't say much good about HP.
> 
> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.

	For a short while they were known for their equally excellent
printers, quite a few from that era are still in use. For many years
afterwards they traded on the reputation they no longer deserved. It is a
pity, there is a market for excellence at a price but the market for cheap
crud is so much more profitable.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#154016

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:16:40 -0600
> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Can't say much good about HP.
>>
>> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.
>
> 	For a short while they were known for their equally excellent
> printers, quite a few from that era are still in use. For many years
> afterwards they traded on the reputation they no longer deserved. It is a
> pity, there is a market for excellence at a price but the market for cheap
> crud is so much more profitable.
>
I have an HP-410B VTVM, still works fine and very useful since it can 
properly measure RF voltages.  I wouldn't use it most of the time, but 
it's really good to have around.

And I do have an HP-4P laser printer, bought about a decade ago at a 
Rotary Club garage sale for $15, has always worked fine.

   Michael

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#154023

"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1511051259330.15812@darkstar.example.org...
>>
> I have an HP-410B VTVM, still works fine and very useful since it can 
> properly measure RF voltages.  I wouldn't use it most of the time, but 
> it's really good to have around.

One thing that I regret giving away 30 years ago, because I did not
understand what it was, was a very high impedance HP voltmeter
that had the rotating butterfly to transfer a minimal amount of charge from 
the
input onto the measuring circuit.

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#154181

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>"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
>news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1511051259330.15812@darkstar.example.org...
>>>
>> I have an HP-410B VTVM, still works fine and very useful since it can 
>> properly measure RF voltages.  I wouldn't use it most of the time, but 
>> it's really good to have around.
>
>One thing that I regret giving away 30 years ago, because I did not
>understand what it was, was a very high impedance HP voltmeter
>that had the rotating butterfly to transfer a minimal amount of charge from 
>the
>input onto the measuring circuit.
>
That sounds like an HP 412A chopper-stabilized DC VTVM.  Very nice
instrument to have, and very accurate (I wouldn't want to part with the
one I keep here).

Conversely, the 400 AC voltmeters are bears to get working properly,
while a Ballantine 300 is pretty trouble-free.
I've spent hours smoking out bad grounds and other problems on these.
And while a 200CD oscillator is a good instrument to have, they develop
their share of problems that require some skill to troubleshoot.  

Hank

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#154038

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:08:06 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:16:40 -0600 philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> 
>> Can't say much good about HP.
>> 
>> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.
> 
> 	For a short while they were known for their equally excellent
> printers, quite a few from that era are still in use.

I just serviced my 1993 LaserJet 4M+. Still plodding along. In fact I use 
two of them, and have half a dozen spares!

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#154064

On 5 Nov 2015 21:16:32 GMT, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:08:06 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:16:40 -0600 philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Can't say much good about HP.
>>> 
>>> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.
>> 
>> 	For a short while they were known for their equally excellent
>> printers, quite a few from that era are still in use.
>
> I just serviced my 1993 LaserJet 4M+. Still plodding along. In fact I use 
> two of them, and have half a dozen spares!
>

I use a 4050 bought, well used, to replace a 4M whose fuser unit had
died.  A new (used) Laserjet was cheaper than a replacement fuser!
Fine printer, not the quickest but I can wait :-)

-- 
Stan Barr     plan.b@bluesomatic.org

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#154065

On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:02:05 +0000, Stan Barr wrote:

> On 5 Nov 2015 21:16:32 GMT, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:08:06 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:16:40 -0600 philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Can't say much good about HP.
>>>> 
>>>> I recall when they were known for their excellent test equipment.
>>> 
>>> 	For a short while they were known for their equally excellent
>>> printers, quite a few from that era are still in use.
>>
>> I just serviced my 1993 LaserJet 4M+. Still plodding along. In fact I
>> use two of them, and have half a dozen spares!
>>
>>
> I use a 4050 bought, well used, to replace a 4M whose fuser unit had
> died.  A new (used) Laserjet was cheaper than a replacement fuser! Fine
> printer, not the quickest but I can wait :-)

Fuser lamps are cheap although a pain to fit!

That's how I acquired my first one; it was fine (28000 pages on the 
clock) but it had been moved and the fuser lamp filament had failed. It 
was just a few dollars for a new lamp, and about 90 minutes working out 
how to dismantle the fuser and replace the lamp.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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