Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > alt.folklore.computers > #154948 > unrolled thread
| Started by | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2015-12-10 04:15 -0600 |
| Last post | 2015-12-11 14:53 -0600 |
| Articles | 9 on this page of 69 — 23 participants |
Back to article view | Back to alt.folklore.computers
Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-10 04:15 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-12-10 10:22 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 13:31 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:23 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:45 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 13:30 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 18:49 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 19:15 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 14:42 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-12-10 12:45 -0700
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 23:48 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 23:09 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 14:56 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-11 06:10 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-11 16:21 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-11 14:43 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-11 21:56 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-12 04:51 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 08:11 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-13 13:50 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-14 00:05 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-13 21:48 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-11 21:34 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-12 08:38 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 10:47 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-12 18:41 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-13 02:33 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-13 23:48 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-14 19:39 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-13 10:12 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-13 12:54 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-14 09:19 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-14 14:31 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-14 19:05 -0400
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-12 11:31 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 10:52 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:59 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 11:50 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-12 12:14 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 21:37 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-13 02:37 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 22:55 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-13 00:02 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-13 10:24 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-13 13:59 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-14 06:09 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-13 10:18 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-13 11:20 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-13 18:41 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-13 11:35 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-13 10:17 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-13 12:58 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:01 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-11 21:36 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-11 14:31 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 19:11 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-10 15:49 -0400
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-10 17:07 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-10 20:31 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-11 13:35 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-11 06:14 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-11 13:48 -0500
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:07 -0600
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-12-10 12:01 -0800
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-12-10 23:22 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-12-11 11:01 +0000
Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 14:53 -0600
Page 4 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 [4]
| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-10 20:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mddio45ai0a.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #154990 |
Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> writes:
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>> "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> writes:
>>> Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-)
>> But you missed (OT here) Takeda Shingen's birthday on Dec. 1. Did DEC
>> make a "DEC 1"?
To answer Mr. Spencer's question more accurately, no.
> Technically, none of their machines were named the "DEC-anything"
> There were commercially sold PDP 1,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, and 15.
Technically, you have no idea what you're talking about. To begin with, you
left out the PDP-7, the PDP-12, the PDP-14, and the PDP-16. We won't even get
into the number of variants of the PDP-8, PDP-11, and PDP-15 families existed,
but there were a 7A and a 9/L as well.
When DEC introduced the 2nd generation PDP-10, they already had 16 designs
designated "PDP-n", with 14 actually manufactured. DEC's marketing department
decided that Yet Another PDP-n was too many, and christened the KI-10 based
computer the "system-10".
Whoops. Singer--yes, the sewing machine company--was already selling an
industrial control computer which they called the system-10. In 1971, people
didn't fight over trademarks the way they do now; instead, DEC negotiated with
Singer to use a variant of the name, and christened the KI-10 machine the
DECsystem-10
This was immediately shortened by customers (and no doubt by DEC employees when
not being fastidious) to "DEC-10".
It was never sold under the rubric "PDP-10".
The 3rd generation KL-10 processor (1974) was brought out both as new model of
the DECsystem-10 and as the DECSYSTEM-20; the KS-10 minicomputer (1979) was the
DECSYSTEM-2020.
When Digital brought out a server-class version of their MIPS R2000 based
workstation (the DECstation-3100), it was labeled the DECsystem-3100.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 13:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005269FB3D7690A@aca40294.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #155001 |
Rich Alderson wrote: > Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> writes: > >> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes: > >>> "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> writes: > >>>> Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-) > >>> But you missed (OT here) Takeda Shingen's birthday on Dec. 1. Did DEC >>> make a "DEC 1"? > > To answer Mr. Spencer's question more accurately, no. > >> Technically, none of their machines were named the "DEC-anything" > >> There were commercially sold PDP 1,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, and 15. > > Technically, you have no idea what you're talking about. To begin with, you > left out the PDP-7, the PDP-12, the PDP-14, and the PDP-16. We won't even get > into the number of variants of the PDP-8, PDP-11, and PDP-15 families existed, > but there were a 7A and a 9/L as well. > > When DEC introduced the 2nd generation PDP-10, they already had 16 designs > designated "PDP-n", with 14 actually manufactured. DEC's marketing department > decided that Yet Another PDP-n was too many, and christened the KI-10 based > computer the "system-10". > > Whoops. Singer--yes, the sewing machine company--was already selling an > industrial control computer which they called the system-10. In 1971, people > didn't fight over trademarks the way they do now; instead, DEC negotiated with > Singer to use a variant of the name, and christened the KI-10 machine the > > DECsystem-10 I was the one who edited all the docs for this product. The lawyers kept changing their minds about how to spell the word. One week, I'd get a request to change all the occurences of DECsystem-10 to DECSYSTEM-10. The next week I'd get another request to change DECSYSTEM-10 to DECsystem-10. IIRC, the docs went through 4, maybe 5, switches until I put my foot down and stated that I would not be doing any more edits until they made up their mind. Since I hated the look of DECSYSTEM-10, I strongly suggested DECsystem-10. > > This was immediately shortened by customers (and no doubt by DEC employees when > not being fastidious) to "DEC-10". > > It was never sold under the rubric "PDP-10". > > The 3rd generation KL-10 processor (1974) was brought out both as new model of > the DECsystem-10 and as the DECSYSTEM-20; the KS-10 minicomputer (1979) was the > DECSYSTEM-2020. There were arguments about DECSYSTEM-2020, too, but I wasn't involved so I don't know the details. It shouldn't have been 2020. > > When Digital brought out a server-class version of their MIPS R2000 based > workstation (the DECstation-3100), it was labeled the DECsystem-3100. > /BAH
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 06:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <135496e4-4a53-415c-8b2f-6e40fb32a710@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #155001 |
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-7, Rich Alderson wrote: > Whoops. Singer--yes, the sewing machine company--was already selling an > industrial control computer which they called the system-10. In 1971, people > didn't fight over trademarks the way they do now; instead, DEC negotiated with > Singer to use a variant of the name, and christened the KI-10 machine the > DECsystem-10 > This was immediately shortened by customers (and no doubt by DEC employees when > not being fastidious) to "DEC-10". > It was never sold under the rubric "PDP-10". Given that it was a compatible successor to the *KA-10*, which most definitely _was_ sold as a PDP-10, however, it would still have been regarded as a form of PDP-10 by people at that time; unlike a "PDP-20", which indeed is but a fantasy name for the DECsystem 2000-series machines, a PDP-10 is most definitely a thing. Since someone already mentioned the Halloween-Christmas equivalence on this thread, it can be noted that we can celebrate the PDP-10 on October 12th as well. John Savard
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 13:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mddwpskkei0.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #155020 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-7, Rich Alderson wrote:
>> Whoops. Singer--yes, the sewing machine company--was already selling an
>> industrial control computer which they called the system-10. In 1971,
>> people didn't fight over trademarks the way they do now; instead, DEC
>> negotiated with Singer to use a variant of the name, and christened the
>> KI-10 machine the
>> DECsystem-10
>> This was immediately shortened by customers (and no doubt by DEC employees
>> when not being fastidious) to "DEC-10".
>> It was never sold under the rubric "PDP-10".
> Given that it was a compatible successor to the *KA-10*, which most
> definitely _was_ sold as a PDP-10, however, it would still have been regarded
> as a form of PDP-10 by people at that time; unlike a "PDP-20", which indeed
> is but a fantasy name for the DECsystem 2000-series machines, a PDP-10 is
> most definitely a thing.
A. It's not the "DECsystem 2000-series". It's the DECSYSTEM-20 family. Using
the notation of the early PDP-10 literature, that's 20/40, 20/50, 20/60,
20/20, and 20/65. Slashes got dropped fairly early on, so these are
written 2040, 2050, 2060, 2020, and 2065.
2. The original poster was claiming (in something I quoted and you snipped)
that later machines were not sold under a "DEC-n" name, but only under
"PDP-10". That's as silly as saying, for example, that IBM never sold
their midrange mainframes under a 43xx, but only as System/370. OK?
iii. I intended to mention that the KL-10 follow-on system codenamed "Jupiter"
was originally called the DECSYSTEM-2090, but I have in my possession
binders labeled "DECsystem-4050 Sales Training Seminar".
Four. DEC themselves recognized clones as PDP-10 systems, from Foonly, Xerox
PARC, Systems Concepts, and XKL, meaning that "PDP-10" had become the
name of an architecture rather than a product line.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 15:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4fdqe$4r6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155020 |
"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:135496e4-4a53-415c-8b2f-6e40fb32a710@googlegroups.com... > > [snip...] [snip...] > [snip...] > > Since someone already mentioned the Halloween-Christmas equivalence on > this > thread, it can be noted that we can celebrate the PDP-10 on October 12th > as > well. > This is quite fitting, since the 36-bit DEC systems prefered octal addresses and such. So October 12th is the PDP-Octal-12 Day!!! :-) -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-10 12:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dfmj6bpp12dbrg74lslgquin36ptklaf49@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #154948 |
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:15:58 -0600, "Charles Richmond"
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-)
It is also Ada Lovelace's 200th birthday today.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-10 23:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <628342062.471482238.534791.yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154983 |
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:15:58 -0600, "Charles Richmond" > <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > >> Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-) > > It is also Ada Lovelace's 200th birthday today. And the 35th birthday of the Ada programming language, which, unlike Ada King, is alive and kicking. -- Bill Findlay
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 11:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n4eaad$j3g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154993 |
"Bill Findlay" <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:628342062.471482238.534791.yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net... > Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:15:58 -0600, "Charles Richmond" >> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: >> >>> Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-) >> >> It is also Ada Lovelace's 200th birthday today. > > And the 35th birthday of the Ada programming language, which, > unlike Ada King, is alive and kicking. Whereas nowadays, Beethoven is decomposing?
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-12-11 14:53 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4fcvg$1g3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154983 |
"Gene Wirchenko" <genew@telus.net> wrote in message news:dfmj6bpp12dbrg74lslgquin36ptklaf49@4ax.com... > On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:15:58 -0600, "Charles Richmond" > <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > >>Happy Dec-10 Day!!! Seems like this comes around *every* year!!! ;-) > > It is also Ada Lovelace's 200th birthday today. > Aha!!! I *knew* Ada Lovelace had something to do with the development of the PDP-10!!! -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]
Page 4 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 [4]
Back to top | Article view | alt.folklore.computers
csiph-web