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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: Happy Dec-10 Day!!! |
| Date | 2015-12-11 13:48 -0500 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-7, Rich Alderson wrote:
>> Whoops. Singer--yes, the sewing machine company--was already selling an
>> industrial control computer which they called the system-10. In 1971,
>> people didn't fight over trademarks the way they do now; instead, DEC
>> negotiated with Singer to use a variant of the name, and christened the
>> KI-10 machine the
>> DECsystem-10
>> This was immediately shortened by customers (and no doubt by DEC employees
>> when not being fastidious) to "DEC-10".
>> It was never sold under the rubric "PDP-10".
> Given that it was a compatible successor to the *KA-10*, which most
> definitely _was_ sold as a PDP-10, however, it would still have been regarded
> as a form of PDP-10 by people at that time; unlike a "PDP-20", which indeed
> is but a fantasy name for the DECsystem 2000-series machines, a PDP-10 is
> most definitely a thing.
A. It's not the "DECsystem 2000-series". It's the DECSYSTEM-20 family. Using
the notation of the early PDP-10 literature, that's 20/40, 20/50, 20/60,
20/20, and 20/65. Slashes got dropped fairly early on, so these are
written 2040, 2050, 2060, 2020, and 2065.
2. The original poster was claiming (in something I quoted and you snipped)
that later machines were not sold under a "DEC-n" name, but only under
"PDP-10". That's as silly as saying, for example, that IBM never sold
their midrange mainframes under a 43xx, but only as System/370. OK?
iii. I intended to mention that the KL-10 follow-on system codenamed "Jupiter"
was originally called the DECSYSTEM-2090, but I have in my possession
binders labeled "DECsystem-4050 Sales Training Seminar".
Four. DEC themselves recognized clones as PDP-10 systems, from Foonly, Xerox
PARC, Systems Concepts, and XKL, meaning that "PDP-10" had become the
name of an architecture rather than a product line.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
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