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Beware the microsoft cloud? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-05-13 17:28 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-05-14 09:22 -0700
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2016-05-21 12:31 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-21 13:16 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-22 13:15 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 09:58 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-23 11:49 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-23 11:56 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 15:02 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 20:57 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 16:19 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 04:02 +1000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-24 10:59 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 14:30 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-23 14:04 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 23:23 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 04:40 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:48 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 07:47 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 17:43 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 14:13 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:38 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 17:55 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 20:25 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 15:02 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 20:51 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-24 19:24 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:38 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 23:28 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:03 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:28 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:52 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 12:33 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:17 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 17:23 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 07:47 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 11:55 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:16 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-24 21:31 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:37 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 07:24 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-26 13:57 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:36 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-05-25 06:53 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-23 19:56 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:42 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 12:28 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 11:55 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-22 16:42 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-23 11:49 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 15:01 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-24 13:33 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:00 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-24 14:16 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:04 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 16:28 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 16:15 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 10:31 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:12 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-24 21:27 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 16:04 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 17:15 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:00 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-05-23 16:25 -0300
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:04 +1000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 06:40 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-23 16:16 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-23 19:58 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-05-29 20:35 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-05-23 12:53 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:08 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 16:22 +0200
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-25 17:51 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-06-01 13:16 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-01 20:59 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:39 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-02 20:44 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:04 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 23:22 +0100
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 19:02 -0700
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 05:14 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:39 -0400
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 10:08 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 12:44 -0500
Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
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| From | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-13 17:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Beware the microsoft cloud? |
| Message-ID | <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me> |
Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will they start charging heftily for it?
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| From | mentificium@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-05-14 09:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <167ee22f-6a08-43ff-906f-a9338322382f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #163666 |
On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:28:37 AM UTC-7, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote: > [...] The Microsoft cloud might become an enormous playground for the http://wiki.opencog.org/wikihome/index.php/Ghost AI in Perl which would otherwise have to live as http://www.sourcecodeonline.com/details/ghost_perl_webserver_strong_ai.html on expensive Web-servers. Mentifex -- http://ai.neocities.org/var.html#pov https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/AI?src=hash https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/openai?src=hash https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Perl?src=hash
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| From | andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) |
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| Date | 2016-05-21 12:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhpkfu$v2a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #163666 |
In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: > Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? > > How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will > they start charging heftily for it? Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future exit costs from their supplier. An area where this is often overlooked is those using cloud based object stores, and when they decide there's a better provider or solution, they only then realise they can't actually afford to retrieve all their data from their current provider in order to move it somewhere else - a great lock-in strategy. (Not saying this applies to MS necessarily - not looked at their charges.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-21 13:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dqb5e0Fs9juU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163806 |
On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>,
> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing?
>>
>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will
>> they start charging heftily for it?
>
> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future
> exit costs from their supplier.
Among about a zillion other things.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-22 13:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163807 |
Huge wrote: > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>> they start charging heftily for it? >> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >> exit costs from their supplier. > > Among about a zillion other things. How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing operations to doing one's own again. /BAH
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-22 09:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31ab8512a9f00cc298a1c3@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #163821 |
In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com says... > > Huge wrote: > > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, > >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: > >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? > >>> > >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will > >>> they start charging heftily for it? > >> > >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future > >> exit costs from their supplier. > > > > Among about a zillion other things. > > How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing > operations to doing one's own again. I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- critical data is really stupid.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 11:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000533811270830B@aca46cd0.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163829 |
J. Clarke wrote: > In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> >> Huge wrote: >> > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >> >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >> >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >> >>> >> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >> >>> they start charging heftily for it? >> >> >> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >> >> exit costs from their supplier. >> > >> > Among about a zillion other things. >> >> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >> operations to doing one's own again. > > I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is > going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest > will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- > critical data is really stupid. > Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't going to have much paper and things to mine. /BAH
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 11:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnk5rto.1m2.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #163846 |
On 2016-05-23, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: >> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> says... >>> >> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >> critical data is really stupid. >> > Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store > all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't > going to have much paper and things to mine. > > /BAH Should be handy for the newspapers to find photos to go with "GRANNY KILLED BY INFURIATED FAMILY" -- greymaus.eircom.ie . . ...
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 15:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dqgkbdFileU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163846 |
On 2016-05-23, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Huge wrote:
>>> > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
>>> >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will
>>> >>> they start charging heftily for it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future
>>> >> exit costs from their supplier.
>>> >
>>> > Among about a zillion other things.
>>>
>>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing
>>> operations to doing one's own again.
>>
>> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is
>> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest
>> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission-
>> critical data is really stupid.
>>
> Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store
> all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't
> going to have much paper and things to mine.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/code_spaces_destroyed/
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| From | David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 20:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nhvnbk$p86$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #163854 |
On 23/05/2016 16:02, Huge wrote: > On 2016-05-23, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> J. Clarke wrote: >>> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>> says... >>>> >>>> Huge wrote: >>>>> On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>>>>>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>>>>>> they start charging heftily for it? Its important not to get locked in. and too use appropriate software. Its already more expensive than you own server... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >>>>>> exit costs from their supplier. For things like small Web systems its simply about keeping backups. I manage several sites based on Joomla, Drupal or Moodle. Word press is much the same. In general the content is stored in a MySql database. I have just migrated a small server from one cloud provider to another. Pretty simple... If the supplier uses a standard VM platform such as VMWare or Azure then its simple to backup and migrate. >>>>> >>>>> Among about a zillion other things. >>>> >>>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >>>> operations to doing one's own again. >>> A long long time. >>> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is >>> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest >>> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >>> critical data is really stupid. >>> Any Fortune 500 company that trusts a small startup is cutting too many corners. >> Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store >> all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't >> going to have much paper and things to mine. Sadly my dads second "lady friend" purged the house of every reference to my mum, so I havqe virtually nothing left... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/code_spaces_destroyed/ > > Whilst that is sad some modern software management systems , such as GIT have a copy of the entire development history in every copy of the system. You can just download the current source, but if you do any source development you are going to have a complete copy locally. You can see every commit and roll back to it as required. Dave Wade
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000533955498BBF8@aca423de.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163873 |
David Wade wrote: > On 23/05/2016 16:02, Huge wrote: >> On 2016-05-23, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> Huge wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>>>>>>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>>>>>>> they start charging heftily for it? > > Its important not to get locked in. and too use appropriate software. > Its already more expensive than you own server... > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >>>>>>> exit costs from their supplier. > > For things like small Web systems its simply about keeping backups. I > manage several sites based on Joomla, Drupal or Moodle. Word press is > much the same. In general the content is stored in a MySql database. > > I have just migrated a small server from one cloud provider to another. > Pretty simple... > > If the supplier uses a standard VM platform such as VMWare or Azure then > its simple to backup and migrate. > >>>>>> >>>>>> Among about a zillion other things. >>>>> >>>>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >>>>> operations to doing one's own again. >>>> > > A long long time. > >>>> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is >>>> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest >>>> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >>>> critical data is really stupid. >>>> > > Any Fortune 500 company that trusts a small startup is cutting too many > corners. > >>> Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store >>> all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't >>> going to have much paper and things to mine. > > Sadly my dads second "lady friend" purged the house of every reference > to my mum, so I havqe virtually nothing left... A physics PhD candidate broke up with his girlfriend; she purged his data and dissertation from his computer. He did not have a backup. > >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/code_spaces_destroyed/ >> >> > > Whilst that is sad some modern software management systems , such as GIT > have a copy of the entire development history in every copy of the > system. You can just download the current source, but if you do any > source development you are going to have a complete copy locally. > > You can see every commit and roll back to it as required. You are able to do this but regular people who have only seen GUIs don't have a way to learn. /BAH
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 16:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20160523161909.a7f9de7a5d1714dfad8a57cb@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #163846 |
On 23 May 2016 11:49:08 GMT jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: > > In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > > says... > >> > >> Huge wrote: > >> > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, > >> >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: > >> >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? > >> >>> > >> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will > >> >>> they start charging heftily for it? > >> >> > >> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future > >> >> exit costs from their supplier. > >> > > >> > Among about a zillion other things. > >> > >> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing > >> operations to doing one's own again. > > > > I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is > > going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest > > will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- > > critical data is really stupid. > > > Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store > all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't > going to have much paper and things to mine. Future historians are one day going to get into a time machine and do horrible things to the liquidator who, when Facebook finally went belly up, quite correctly ordered all the discs scrapped on the grounds that they contain too much personal data to be reused. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 04:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <dqguueF2p1aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163846 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM000533811270830B@aca46cd0.ipt.aol.com... > J. Clarke wrote: >> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> says... >>> >>> Huge wrote: >>> > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >>> >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>> >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>> >>> >>> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>> >>> they start charging heftily for it? >>> >> >>> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >>> >> exit costs from their supplier. >>> > >>> > Among about a zillion other things. >>> >>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >>> operations to doing one's own again. >> >> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is >> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest >> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >> critical data is really stupid. >> > Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store > all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't > going to have much paper and things to mine. So they will mine the clouds instead.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005339547A82C52@aca423de.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163863 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM000533811270830B@aca46cd0.ipt.aol.com... >> J. Clarke wrote: >>> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>> says... >>>> >>>> Huge wrote: >>>> > On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> >> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>>> >>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>>> >>> they start charging heftily for it? >>>> >> >>>> >> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >>>> >> exit costs from their supplier. >>>> > >>>> > Among about a zillion other things. >>>> >>>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >>>> operations to doing one's own again. >>> >>> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is >>> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest >>> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >>> critical data is really stupid. >>> >> Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store >> all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't >> going to have much paper and things to mine. > > So they will mine the clouds instead. Not if business practices make mining impossible. Bacnrupticies, takeovers, worms, death of owners and crooks can put a business based on vituality off-line. Finding the actual hardware would be problematic; study what Hillary did with State Department emails. /BAH
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 10:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ni1tjq$qpv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #163896 |
On 5/24/2016 7:11 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM000533811270830B@aca46cd0.ipt.aol.com... >>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <PM0005336E1EC56868@aca446d8.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> Huge wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-05-21, Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes: >>>>>>>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will >>>>>>>> they start charging heftily for it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future >>>>>>> exit costs from their supplier. >>>>>> >>>>>> Among about a zillion other things. >>>>> >>>>> How long will it be before the pendumlum swings from outsourcing >>>>> operations to doing one's own again. >>>> >>>> I suspect it's going to be a while. Eventually a cloud provider is >>>> going to go under and take a Fortune 100 company with them and the rest >>>> will figure out that trustiung some startup to maintain your mission- >>>> critical data is really stupid. >>>> >>> Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store >>> all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't >>> going to have much paper and things to mine. >> >> So they will mine the clouds instead. > > Not if business practices make mining impossible. Bacnrupticies, > takeovers, worms, death of owners and crooks can put a business > based on vituality off-line. True. Most of us have at one time or another received notices saying "we're going to shut down next month, if you want your data retrieve it now." The data I had stored on Mega is probably irretrievably gone, what between some of Mega being siezed by the government and some of it in the hands of a custodian who says that half the drives can't be read anymore. (Fortunately, it wasn't anything important, probably just a few large files that couldn't be transferred by email.) Finding the actual hardware would > be problematic; Especially with cloud-based stuff, where going to an address could have you end up anywhere in the well-connected world. And depending on their login, the next person going to that address could end up on the other side of the planet. study what Hillary did with State Department > emails. Bad example. She was using a private "ISP", not a State Department address. Finding the hardware wouldn't be any harder than finding the hardware of any random .com domain. And the bulk of her emails presumably came from or went to government addresses, so were archived on that end (though those are probably scattered around on different servers).
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 14:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605231351340.19252@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163846 |
On Mon, 23 May 2016, jmfbahciv wrote: > Women in the knitting group I attend are using the cloud to store > all of their family pictures. Historians and archaeologists aren't > going to have much paper and things to mine. > Years ago, a cousin of my mother who was interested in genealogy did a family tree on my father's side, and that was it. Then about 2009 I started doing searches, and it's amazing how much is online. Not just the family tree, but all kinds of history of it. I am sort of torn, on one hand the family did have some role in "history", but at the same time, they left a lot of paper around, so it's easier for people to study them. But most of what I've found, it was written up by various historical societies decades ago, and that's what's been digitized. So I can't find online the letter where my great, great grandmother Henrietta says in 1854 "I would rather not go to [eastern] Canada; how would I an uneducated dark halfbreed look among the fair and accomplished ladies". But I did find a paper that quoted that line, which happens to be online. So the stuff was already salvaged long before the digital era, though I have no idea if others collected it or if the family donated it somewhere intact. Michael
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 14:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dqh2hbF3h71U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163864 |
"Michael Black" wrotee: > Years ago, a cousin of my mother who was interested in genealogy did a > family tree on my father's side, and that was it. Then about 2009 I > started doing searches, and it's amazing how much is online. Not just the > family tree, but all kinds of history of it. I am sort of torn, on one > hand the family did have some role in "history", but at the same time, > they left a lot of paper around, so it's easier for people to study them. I never thought of my grandmother as a social butterfly but I found an internet account of her hosting her card club in the 1930s. I looked for it recently and it had "gone missing" as people sometimes say.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-23 23:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605232317380.19694@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163869 |
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Osmium wrote: > "Michael Black" wrotee: > >> Years ago, a cousin of my mother who was interested in genealogy did a >> family tree on my father's side, and that was it. Then about 2009 I >> started doing searches, and it's amazing how much is online. Not just the >> family tree, but all kinds of history of it. I am sort of torn, on one >> hand the family did have some role in "history", but at the same time, they >> left a lot of paper around, so it's easier for people to study them. > > I never thought of my grandmother as a social butterfly but I found an > internet account of her hosting her card club in the 1930s. I looked for it > recently and it had "gone missing" as people sometimes say. > I've been saving some of the stuff locally, precisely because I don't trust that it will remain in place. Some cousin I'd never heard of had the family tree up on his page, but that's disappeared, I fear he's disappeared too. It is shakey. My great, great grandmother Henrietta is in the Canadian Museum of History, at least their webpage, just a small bit representing half breeds. Her picture is readily available elsewhere, I have a book with her photo in it. (I assume it's the only photo of her, it wasn't the time of snapshot cameras). But museums change their displays, so I can imagine her getting bumped at some point. There's no information at that site about her that isn't elsewhere, but it's kind of neat that she's there (and I assume because her photo and identity was already out there, not because she's that important). I figured if I made the trip to the actual museum, I'd say "You mean I don't get free entry? But that's my great, great grandmother you have on display!". Some of her siblings got streets named after them in what became Winnipeg. But her younger sister Jemima (yes Aunt Jemima), who had self esteem issues (actually all the siblings suffered a bit from that), her street was renamed, so there's no longer a Jemima Street, just an Elgin Street. Michael
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| From | Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 04:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA611E74FBCD8Bfalkarcabca@213.239.209.88> |
| In reply to | #163884 |
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1605232317380.19694@darkstar.example.org: > On Mon, 23 May 2016, Osmium wrote: > >> "Michael Black" wrotee: >> >>> Years ago, a cousin of my mother who was interested in genealogy did >>> a family tree on my father's side, and that was it. Then about 2009 >>> I started doing searches, and it's amazing how much is online. Not >>> just the family tree, but all kinds of history of it. I am sort of >>> torn, on one hand the family did have some role in "history", but at >>> the same time, they left a lot of paper around, so it's easier for >>> people to study them. >> >> I never thought of my grandmother as a social butterfly but I found an >> internet account of her hosting her card club in the 1930s. I looked >> for it recently and it had "gone missing" as people sometimes say. >> > I've been saving some of the stuff locally, precisely because I don't > trust that it will remain in place. Some cousin I'd never heard of had > the family tree up on his page, but that's disappeared, I fear he's > disappeared too. > > It is shakey. My great, great grandmother Henrietta is in the Canadian > Museum of History, at least their webpage, just a small bit > representing half breeds. Her picture is readily available elsewhere, > I have a book with her photo in it. (I assume it's the only photo of > her, it wasn't the time of snapshot cameras). But museums change their > displays, so I can imagine her getting bumped at some point. There's > no information at that site about her that isn't elsewhere, but it's > kind of neat that she's there (and I assume because her photo and > identity was already out there, not because she's that important). > > I figured if I made the trip to the actual museum, I'd say "You mean I > don't get free entry? But that's my great, great grandmother you have > on display!". > > Some of her siblings got streets named after them in what became > Winnipeg. But her younger sister Jemima (yes Aunt Jemima), who had self > esteem issues (actually all the siblings suffered a bit from that), her > street was renamed, so there's no longer a Jemima Street, just an Elgin > Street. Elgin _Avenue_. Not far from the location of my earliest childhood memories. And even closer to my first home, of which I have no memories. A lot of the short streets near there have women's names: Lulu, Dorothy, Gwendoline, etc. I suppose the next avenue north is also named for your ancestors? > Michael >
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000533953B662FEF@aca423de.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163887 |
Alfred Falk wrote: > Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in > news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1605232317380.19694@darkstar.example.org: > >> On Mon, 23 May 2016, Osmium wrote: >> >>> "Michael Black" wrotee: >>> >>>> Years ago, a cousin of my mother who was interested in genealogy did >>>> a family tree on my father's side, and that was it. Then about 2009 >>>> I started doing searches, and it's amazing how much is online. Not >>>> just the family tree, but all kinds of history of it. I am sort of >>>> torn, on one hand the family did have some role in "history", but at >>>> the same time, they left a lot of paper around, so it's easier for >>>> people to study them. >>> >>> I never thought of my grandmother as a social butterfly but I found an >>> internet account of her hosting her card club in the 1930s. I looked >>> for it recently and it had "gone missing" as people sometimes say. >>> >> I've been saving some of the stuff locally, precisely because I don't >> trust that it will remain in place. Some cousin I'd never heard of had >> the family tree up on his page, but that's disappeared, I fear he's >> disappeared too. >> >> It is shakey. My great, great grandmother Henrietta is in the Canadian >> Museum of History, at least their webpage, just a small bit >> representing half breeds. Her picture is readily available elsewhere, >> I have a book with her photo in it. (I assume it's the only photo of >> her, it wasn't the time of snapshot cameras). But museums change their >> displays, so I can imagine her getting bumped at some point. There's >> no information at that site about her that isn't elsewhere, but it's >> kind of neat that she's there (and I assume because her photo and >> identity was already out there, not because she's that important). >> >> I figured if I made the trip to the actual museum, I'd say "You mean I >> don't get free entry? But that's my great, great grandmother you have >> on display!". >> >> Some of her siblings got streets named after them in what became >> Winnipeg. But her younger sister Jemima (yes Aunt Jemima), who had self >> esteem issues (actually all the siblings suffered a bit from that), her >> street was renamed, so there's no longer a Jemima Street, just an Elgin >> Street. > > Elgin _Avenue_. Not far from the location of my earliest childhood memories. > And even closer to my first home, of which I have no memories. A lot of the > short streets near there have women's names: Lulu, Dorothy, Gwendoline, etc. > I suppose the next avenue north is also named for your ancestors? It sounds like it was a matriarchical society. /BAH
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