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For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

Started by"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
First post2015-12-13 17:20 +0000
Last post2015-12-15 22:18 +0100
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  For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-12-13 17:20 +0000
    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mentificium@gmail.com - 2015-12-15 05:05 -0800
      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-15 07:32 -0600
        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 12:30 -0500
          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-12-15 17:32 +0000
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-15 11:57 -0600
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 14:53 -0500
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-16 18:02 -0400
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 14:58 -0500
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-15 18:16 +0000
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 14:52 -0500
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-15 16:16 -0500
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-15 18:50 -0800
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-15 19:45 -0800
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 23:34 -0500
                  Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-16 11:58 -0800
                    Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 14:48 -0500
                      Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 14:08 -0600
                        Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-17 13:16 -0800
                          Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-18 11:02 -0800
                            Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 15:04 -0600
                              Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:36 -0800
                                Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-22 08:04 +0000
                                  Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-22 16:03 +0000
                                    Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-22 16:51 +0000
                                Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-22 07:37 -0600
                    Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-17 16:17 -0500
                      Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 17:03 -0600
                        Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-18 13:46 +0000
                        Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 08:16 -0800
                          Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 13:20 -0600
                            Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 11:43 -0800
                              Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 15:12 -0600
                                Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:41 -0800
                          Re: Star Trek  was For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 15:00 -0600
          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:42 -0600
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-15 13:38 -0600
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 15:07 -0500
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 15:03 -0500
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 11:28 -0600
                Re: Viet Nam   was For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-16 12:00 -0800
            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-16 18:09 -0400
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 19:38 -0600
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 15:02 -0500
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 15:58 -0600
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 17:01 -0600
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-17 23:04 +0000
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-17 23:34 +0000
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-18 08:02 +0000
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 08:28 -0800
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-18 12:52 -0500
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-18 12:24 -0600
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-18 13:48 -0500
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-18 11:13 -0800
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:29 -0600
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-21 21:48 +0000
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-22 16:03 -0600
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-18 13:19 -0600
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 11:32 -0800
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-18 23:16 -0500
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-18 23:49 -0600
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-20 01:47 -0800
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-20 10:03 -0600
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 13:24 -0600
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 11:29 +0000
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-19 13:35 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 14:04 +0000
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-19 15:20 +0000
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-19 17:17 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-19 10:06 -0500
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 12:35 -0600
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 20:34 +0000
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-19 14:44 +0000
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 11:28 -0800
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 11:41 -0800
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-18 13:40 -0800
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 14:04 -0800
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 20:39 -0600
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 11:47 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-19 10:05 -0500
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-19 15:25 +0000
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-19 15:34 +0000
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-19 17:24 +0000
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-21 14:26 +0000
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 16:11 +0000
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-19 14:36 -0800
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 18:41 -0600
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-21 14:24 +0000
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 09:54 -0800
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-21 20:11 +0000
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:02 -0800
                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-22 16:05 -0600
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-23 07:50 -0800
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Rob Doyle <radioengr@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 18:57 -0700
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-21 21:48 +0000
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 13:01 +0100
                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-23 08:03 +0000
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2015-12-23 11:04 +1100
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-19 19:15 -0500
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-12-20 10:10 +0000
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-18 17:56 +0000
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-18 11:00 -0800
              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 15:00 -0500
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-17 13:15 -0800
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 16:46 -0600
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-17 23:27 +0000
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-18 08:23 -0800
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 13:22 -0600
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 11:57 +0000
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-18 19:52 +0000
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-18 21:21 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-18 13:42 -0800
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-19 04:24 -0400
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-18 16:34 +0000
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-18 19:53 +0000
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-18 19:51 -0500
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-12-19 07:55 +0000
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-19 07:58 +0000
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-19 11:54 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-19 12:33 -0600
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-19 19:15 -0500
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-20 10:09 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?  :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-12-20 10:10 +0000
                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-12-19 07:53 +0000
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-19 09:08 -0600
                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-19 16:58 +0000
                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-20 14:16 +0000
                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-20 17:26 +0000
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-20 17:38 -0800
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-21 10:52 +0000
                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:39 -0600
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-21 13:01 -0800
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-21 15:05 -0600
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 13:36 +0100
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-21 21:50 +0000
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-22 10:48 +0000
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-22 17:01 +0000
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 13:44 +0100
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-22 23:09 +0000
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-22 15:29 -0800
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 00:13 +0100
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-23 17:23 -0800
                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-24 10:00 +0000
                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 11:18 +0100
                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 17:30 +0000
                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-29 09:50 -0800
                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-29 11:39 -0800
                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-29 12:23 -0800
                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 00:24 +0000
                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-29 17:18 -0800
                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-30 11:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 07:21 -0500
                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-30 08:01 -0600
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-30 09:23 -0800
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-31 06:51 -0800
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 09:03 -0700
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-31 16:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 07:24 +1100
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 08:15 -0500
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 09:50 -0800
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 05:37 +1100
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 21:03 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-03 15:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 05:19 +1100
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 21:53 -0500
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 11:57 -0500
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 18:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-01-01 10:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-31 17:18 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 07:36 +1100
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 08:15 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-01 13:58 +0000
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 18:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-31 13:23 -0600
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-31 20:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 22:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-01 11:26 +0000
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 06:00 +1100
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-03 05:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-30 18:04 +0000
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-30 12:23 -0600
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 10:54 +0000
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 16:14 -0500
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 11:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-30 17:55 -0800
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-30 23:09 -0500
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 09:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-31 16:20 +0000
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 07:16 +1100
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-31 11:52 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-31 09:15 -0800
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-04 20:01 -0800
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-01 14:11 +0000
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 05:49 +1100
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 14:52 -0700
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 09:40 +1100
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-02 15:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-02 16:14 +0000
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-03 05:27 +0000
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 12:41 -0500
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-04 14:49 -0600
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 07:07 +1100
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 14:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 11:57 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 12:40 -0600
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 15:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-01 08:02 +0000
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 22:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-31 21:54 -0600
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-01 11:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-01 12:37 -0600
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 08:50 +1100
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 08:15 -0500
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 09:34 -0600
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 15:02 -0700
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 14:57 -0700
                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-30 11:32 -0800
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 16:14 -0500
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-31 00:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 07:56 +1100
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 11:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 18:09 +0000
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 15:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 08:15 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-01 17:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 05:51 +1100
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 01:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 20:37 -0600
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 15:34 +1100
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 15:32 +1100
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 18:09 +0000
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-03 07:17 +1100
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 23:18 +0000
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-02 19:06 -0600
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-03 17:20 +1100
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 05:06 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 04:52 +1100
                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 10:49 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 10:03 +1100
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 15:07 -0700
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 01:34 +0000
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 09:52 -0800
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-01 15:09 -0700
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 05:43 +1100
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-31 10:50 +0100
                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-31 06:54 -0800
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-12-31 09:08 -0700
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-31 17:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 08:15 -0500
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-01 14:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-02 05:46 +1100
                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-31 19:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-31 22:30 -0600
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 15:42 +1100
                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-01 14:36 -0600
                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-01 17:22 -0600
                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-02 19:34 -0600
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-02 22:26 -0600
                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-03 17:29 +1100
                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 05:12 -0800
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-03 09:33 -0600
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-03 17:04 +0000
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-03 10:07 -0800
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-03 22:29 +0000
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 10:05 +1100
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:57 -0600
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:51 +1100
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:54 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:52 +1100
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:15 +0000
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 11:45 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:52 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:12 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-22 08:02 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-22 13:23 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-22 12:51 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-22 17:07 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 18:36 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-22 18:59 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-23 15:13 +1100
                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-23 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:30 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:40 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 03:57 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-24 05:28 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-24 08:13 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-24 09:36 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 08:27 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-25 13:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-25 12:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-25 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 10:30 +1100
                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-25 23:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:08 +1100
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-26 01:21 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 19:12 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 07:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 09:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 22:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-26 04:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 07:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:27 +1100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 04:54 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 23:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 11:48 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 12:01 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-27 21:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 06:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-28 11:45 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 20:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-29 01:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-28 22:28 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 05:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 14:45 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 10:03 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 21:08 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 16:59 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-30 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-30 22:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-30 17:38 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-30 15:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:40 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 05:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-29 11:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-26 19:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 15:33 +1100
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 00:22 +1100
                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-25 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 10:32 +1100
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:42 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 11:12 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 06:33 +1100
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:47 -0600
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:51 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 16:15 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 16:34 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 11:45 +1100
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-27 19:01 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-27 21:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-28 05:50 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 19:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-28 05:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 06:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-28 20:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 13:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-29 10:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 11:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-29 16:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 18:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-29 19:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-30 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 18:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-30 05:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-30 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-31 14:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-31 15:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 05:04 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-30 15:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 16:34 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 13:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 14:57 -0600
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-03 10:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 18:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-04 07:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 20:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-05 03:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-05 09:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-03 17:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:37 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 17:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 21:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 08:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 15:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 05:37 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 16:37 -0600
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 19:49 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 19:31 -0600
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 20:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 19:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 05:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 12:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-30 22:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-31 14:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:17 -0600
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-30 15:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 08:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 05:53 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 05:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 05:56 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 16:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-01 10:53 -0600
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 12:39 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-01 11:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 06:25 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-01 11:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-01 17:15 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-02 06:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-03 05:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-02 13:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-02 13:15 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 01:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-03 02:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 10:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 01:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 13:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 09:40 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-02 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-02 15:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-03 02:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-03 12:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-03 17:22 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-03 20:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-03 19:52 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-03 19:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-03 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-04 12:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-05 03:20 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-05 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-03 16:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:41 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 17:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 12:05 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 10:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 05:27 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-03 12:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 18:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-04 04:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-04 13:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 01:22 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-04 16:46 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-05 15:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hda <agent700@ay.invalid> - 2016-02-04 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 20:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 19:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 15:21 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 05:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 05:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-03 12:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 05:56 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-03 17:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-03 17:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:13 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:09 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 10:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-02 22:57 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 05:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-05 02:44 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-05 15:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 16:47 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-03 16:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 18:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 16:04 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 10:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 20:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 20:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 14:35 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-03 11:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 09:36 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 18:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-02 22:19 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 08:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 17:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 20:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 21:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 14:44 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 10:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 07:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 05:47 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-03 14:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 18:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-04 13:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 20:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 19:34 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-05 09:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-05 17:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 20:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 15:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 06:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 18:16 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-03 09:59 -0600
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-03 16:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-03 21:11 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 13:49 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 18:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 10:47 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:08 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 13:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 15:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:47 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 20:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 18:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 20:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 15:22 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-04 15:43 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-03 17:41 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:45 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-03 20:41 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-03 21:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-02 17:42 -0600
                                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 08:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-30 10:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 05:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 16:31 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 08:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 12:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 05:44 +1100
                                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 20:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:27 +1100
                                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:28 -0600
                                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 21:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 08:38 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 16:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-31 12:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:15 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-27 22:59 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 17:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 13:21 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:51 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 04:50 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 17:08 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-29 11:12 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:20 +1100
                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:32 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:10 +1100
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 09:44 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 13:43 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:49 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-23 20:53 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 19:17 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-23 20:17 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 08:34 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:22 -0600
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-23 17:38 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:36 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 14:19 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:49 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 15:41 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-26 08:30 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:47 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 18:11 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 22:45 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 15:39 +1100
                                                                                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-10 14:55 -0600
                                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 11:07 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-03 12:01 -0600
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-03 19:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 19:51 -0600
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 03:59 +0000
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-03 23:14 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:47 +1100
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:32 +1100
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:31 +1100
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-04 10:11 +0000
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 05:10 +1100
                                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 09:30 -0800
                                                                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:38 +0100
                                                                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                                                                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-08 18:42 -0800
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-31 17:58 +0100
                                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-01 06:03 +1100
                                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 07:21 -0500
                                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-30 17:21 +0000
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-24 09:55 +0000
                                        Re: Hitler hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:08 -0800
                                          Re: Hitler mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-22 16:23 +0000
                                            Re: Hitler Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 11:07 +0000
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-22 07:58 +0000
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-22 10:47 +0000
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:22 -0800
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-22 16:04 +0000
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-22 17:00 +0000
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-22 18:21 +0000
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 16:46 +1100
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-24 13:08 +0000
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 05:32 +1100
                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 17:37 +0000
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-22 10:42 +0000
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:20 -0800
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-22 16:03 +0000
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2015-12-23 14:30 +0000
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 17:18 +0000
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-23 14:28 -0600
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-22 12:45 -0800
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 13:43 -0800
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 13:18 +0100
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-21 13:26 +0100
                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-21 10:09 -0800
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) bbreynolds <bbreynolds@aol.com> - 2015-12-20 18:00 -0800
                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-21 10:53 +0000
                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-21 14:47 -0500
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 12:06 -0800
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-21 16:57 -0500
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:10 -0800
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-21 17:35 -0600
                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:14 -0800
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:15 -0500
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-22 17:06 +0000
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:35 -0500
                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-23 03:39 +0000
                                                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-23 10:52 +0000
                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-23 11:00 -0600
                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-23 21:19 +0000
                                                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-23 11:55 -0600
                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 19:26 +0000
                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-23 14:08 -0600
                                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 21:04 -0500
                                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-12-25 11:20 +0000
                                                          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-25 14:56 +0000
                                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 16:38 +1100
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-22 16:25 -0600
                                            Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-22 14:44 -0600
                                              Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 11:18 +0000
                                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:50 -0600
                                        Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 13:29 +0100
                                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-12-21 07:33 +0000
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 13:17 -0600
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-18 19:47 -0500
                    Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-18 23:39 -0600
                      Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:55 -0600
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 15:56 -0600
                  Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 16:50 -0600
                Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-17 23:21 +0000
          Re: For those who like to regress to their youth?   :-) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-15 22:18 +0100

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#158754 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromLawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date2016-02-03 18:16 -0600
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<87k2mljpne.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
In reply to#158735
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes:
>>The Air France crew were behind the airplane.  That's the end of it.
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      Whatever that means.  How about explaining instead of try to cut
> communication?

It means the crew is reacting to what the airplane just DID, rather than
staying "ahead of the airplane" and anticipating what it will DO NEXT
based on conditions.  

It's beaten into student pilots from the moment they pull out the
chocks. 

--NK1G

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#158773 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 14:24 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhfuimFdg6tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158754

"Lawrence Statton" <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote in message 
news:87k2mljpne.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me...
> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes:
>>>The Air France crew were behind the airplane.  That's the end of it.
>>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>      Whatever that means.  How about explaining instead of try to cut
>> communication?
>
> It means the crew is reacting to what the airplane just DID, rather than
> staying "ahead of the airplane" and anticipating what it will DO NEXT
> based on conditions.

But wasn't the problem with AF 447. The plane didn't do anything special.
The problem was what the pilots did when the autopilot gave up because
it couldn't make sense of what data it had available from the sensors.

> It's beaten into student pilots from the moment they pull out the
> chocks.
>
> --NK1G 

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#158699 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#158665
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
>>
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
er.org...
>> >
>> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>> > [snip...]
>> >
>> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently not
>> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
work
>> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car that
>> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
>> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
>> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
>> > before
>> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
>> > Heck,
>> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most want
>> > the
>> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>> >
>>
>> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to you".
>>
>> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in the
>> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
from
>> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then the
>> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
>> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they had
>> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>
> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
> experience a rather severe malfunction.
>
> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
> use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
> an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
> dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
> focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
> every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
> fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
> current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
> that has ever existed.

I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?

I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
humans something to do.

/BAH

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#158701 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-02-03 09:59 -0600
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<n8t80c$nko$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#158699
On 03-Feb-16 08:25, jmfbahciv wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane. 
>> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is 
>> experience a rather severe malfunction.

Indeed; flying under normal conditions can be learned in a few hours,
especially with modern aircraft that do nearly everything for you.

When there's an accident, investigators invariably find a "chain" of
problems leading up to it.  That is why the vast majority of pilot
training is learning to deal with every possible problem quickly and
competently to prevent those chains from forming.

>> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation
>> that use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.
>> ...
> 
> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?

Among pilots, yes.  The official terminology would be something like
"failure to maintain situational awareness".  In fact, this is now
either the main cause or main contributing factor in virtually all
accidents.

As to _why_ the pilot lost awareness, that is usually due to sheer
boredom for commercial pilots and "get-there-itis" for private pilots.
You won't find either in the official reports, but every pilot knows.

> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
> humans something to do.

There is only so much make-work that can be done when you're flying
straight and level for hours on end, with the only interruption being
the occasional hand-off from one ATC zone to the next.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#158704 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-02-03 16:49 +0000
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<Ucqsy.396481$983.111479@fx06.iad>
In reply to#158701
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>On 03-Feb-16 08:25, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane. 
>>> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is 
>>> experience a rather severe malfunction.
>
>Indeed; flying under normal conditions can be learned in a few hours,
>especially with modern aircraft that do nearly everything for you.
>
>When there's an accident, investigators invariably find a "chain" of
>problems leading up to it.  That is why the vast majority of pilot
>training is learning to deal with every possible problem quickly and
>competently to prevent those chains from forming.
>
>>> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation
>>> that use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.
>>> ...
>> 
>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>
>Among pilots, yes.  The official terminology would be something like
>"failure to maintain situational awareness".  In fact, this is now
>either the main cause or main contributing factor in virtually all
>accidents.

 In accident reports, you'll see this referred to as CRM[*] failure.

[*] Crew/Cockpit Resource Managment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management

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#158755 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-02-03 21:11 +0100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<ch3aoc-ap.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#158701
In article <n8t80c$nko$1@dont-email.me>,
Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>On 03-Feb-16 08:25, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane. 
>>> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is 
>>> experience a rather severe malfunction.
>
>Indeed; flying under normal conditions can be learned in a few hours,
>especially with modern aircraft that do nearly everything for you.
>
>When there's an accident, investigators invariably find a "chain" of
>problems leading up to it.  That is why the vast majority of pilot
>training is learning to deal with every possible problem quickly and
>competently to prevent those chains from forming.
>
>>> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation
>>> that use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.
>>> ...
>> 
>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>
>Among pilots, yes.  The official terminology would be something like
>"failure to maintain situational awareness".  In fact, this is now
>either the main cause or main contributing factor in virtually all
>accidents.
>
>As to _why_ the pilot lost awareness, that is usually due to sheer
>boredom for commercial pilots and "get-there-itis" for private pilots.
>You won't find either in the official reports, but every pilot knows.
>
>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>> humans something to do.
>
>There is only so much make-work that can be done when you're flying
>straight and level for hours on end, with the only interruption being
>the occasional hand-off from one ATC zone to the next.

I know that many cross-atlantic pilots chase jetstreams on the
great circle route, especially over Greenland.

The object is to save time and fuel. 

I was a little surprised to hear that the Air France flight was not
doing anything like this, just went for a flight level and a heading.

-- mrr

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#158766 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 13:49 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhfsi3Fd2msU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158755

"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:ch3aoc-ap.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <n8t80c$nko$1@dont-email.me>,
> Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>On 03-Feb-16 08:25, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>>>> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>>>> experience a rather severe malfunction.
>>
>>Indeed; flying under normal conditions can be learned in a few hours,
>>especially with modern aircraft that do nearly everything for you.
>>
>>When there's an accident, investigators invariably find a "chain" of
>>problems leading up to it.  That is why the vast majority of pilot
>>training is learning to deal with every possible problem quickly and
>>competently to prevent those chains from forming.
>>
>>>> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation
>>>> that use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>>
>>Among pilots, yes.  The official terminology would be something like
>>"failure to maintain situational awareness".  In fact, this is now
>>either the main cause or main contributing factor in virtually all
>>accidents.
>>
>>As to _why_ the pilot lost awareness, that is usually due to sheer
>>boredom for commercial pilots and "get-there-itis" for private pilots.
>>You won't find either in the official reports, but every pilot knows.
>>
>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>>> humans something to do.
>>
>>There is only so much make-work that can be done when you're flying
>>straight and level for hours on end, with the only interruption being
>>the occasional hand-off from one ATC zone to the next.
>
> I know that many cross-atlantic pilots chase jetstreams on the
> great circle route, especially over Greenland.
>
> The object is to save time and fuel.
>
> I was a little surprised to hear that the Air France flight was not
> doing anything like this, just went for a flight level and a heading.

That's because it wasn’t anywhere near Greenland and
there weren't any jet streams in that area at the time. 

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#158721 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 06:18 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhf23hF6ot5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158699

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
>>>
>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
> er.org...
>>> >
>>> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>>> > [snip...]
>>> >
>>> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently 
>>> > not
>>> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
> work
>>> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car 
>>> > that
>>> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
>>> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
>>> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
>>> > before
>>> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
>>> > Heck,
>>> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most 
>>> > want
>>> > the
>>> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>>> >
>>>
>>> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>>> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to 
>>> you".
>>>
>>> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in 
>>> the
>>> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
> from
>>> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then 
>>> the
>>> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
>>> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they 
>>> had
>>> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>>> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>>
>> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>> experience a rather severe malfunction.
>>
>> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>> use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
>> an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>> dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
>> focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
>> every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
>> fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>> current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>> that has ever existed.
>
> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?

Yep and he is just plain wrong about it there.

> I understand the boring part which can be
> solved by giving the humans something to do.

Just not feasible on the sort of leg that goes that long.
And isnt the problem anyway. 

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#158746 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-03 18:41 -0500
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<MPG.311c5a287c16e270989f35@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158699
In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com 
says...
> 
> J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
> >>
> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
> er.org...
> >> >
> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
> >> > [snip...]
> >> >
> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently not
> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
> work
> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car that
> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
> >> > before
> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
> >> > Heck,
> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most want
> >> > the
> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
> >> >
> >>
> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to you".
> >>
> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in the
> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
> from
> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then the
> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they had
> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
> >
> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
> >
> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
> > that has ever existed.
> 
> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?

Among pilots, yes.
 
> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
> humans something to do.

The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose 
contact with what the airplane is doing.

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#158772 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 14:18 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhfu7fFddt1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158746

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.311c5a287c16e270989f35@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com 
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
>> er.org...
>> >> >
>> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>> >> > [snip...]
>> >> >
>> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are 
>> >> > currently not
>> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors 
>> >> > that
>> work
>> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car 
>> >> > that
>> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain 
>> >> > is
>> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of 
>> >> > us
>> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
>> >> > before
>> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
>> >> > Heck,
>> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most 
>> >> > want
>> >> > the
>> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to 
>> >> you".
>> >>
>> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in 
>> >> the
>> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting 
>> >> information
>> from
>> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then 
>> >> the
>> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently 
>> >> did
>> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they 
>> >> had
>> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>> >
>> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
>> >
>> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
>> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
>> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
>> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the 
>> > autopilot
>> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>> > that has ever existed.
>>
>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>
> Among pilots, yes.
>
>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>> humans something to do.
>
> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes
> them to lose contact with what the airplane is doing.

No it does not when things are going normally.

And when the shit does hit the fan very spectacularly
indeed like it did with AF 447 that time, the problem
isnt boredom or getting behind the plane, the problem
is that its very difficult to decide what the problem is
when you can't just look out the window and see what
the attitude of the plane is and see that you've managed
to put it into a very high nose up attitude and that you
have made it stall doing that because you had no airspeed
indicators working and didn't realise that you should be
flying the plane using the well established unreliable
airspeed indication config that has been established
for just that reason and works fine when observed.
Its not as if the plane had any problem flying before
who ever it was pulled the nose right up and caused
it to stall, the ONLY problem was the pitots had iced
up and there was no indication of airspeed and there
was no clear indication of attitude either because it
was at night. 

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#158808 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<PM00052AF2A14080F5@aca412b3.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#158746
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
>> >>
>> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>
news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
>> er.org...
>> >> >
>> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>> >> > [snip...]
>> >> >
>> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently
not
>> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
>> work
>> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car
that
>> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
>> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
>> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
>> >> > before
>> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
>> >> > Heck,
>> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most
want
>> >> > the
>> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to
you".
>> >>
>> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in
the
>> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
>> from
>> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then
the
>> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
>> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they
had
>> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>> >
>> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
>> >
>> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
>> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
>> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
>> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
>> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>> > that has ever existed.
>>
>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>
> Among pilots, yes.
>
>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>> humans something to do.
>
> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose
> contact with what the airplane is doing.

I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the
pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.

/BAH

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#158818 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 10:47 -0600
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<7007bb1b7c6rkinoqukm0bu4u0h7lherdb@4ax.com>
In reply to#158808
On 4 Feb 2016 15:14:50 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >>
>news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
>>> er.org...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>>> >> > [snip...]
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently
>not
>>> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
>>> work
>>> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car
>that
>>> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
>>> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
>>> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
>>> >> > Heck,
>>> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most
>want
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>>> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to
>you".
>>> >>
>>> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in
>the
>>> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
>>> from
>>> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then
>the
>>> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
>>> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they
>had
>>> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>>> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>>> >
>>> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>>> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>>> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
>>> >
>>> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>>> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
>>> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>>> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
>>> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
>>> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
>>> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>>> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>>> > that has ever existed.
>>>
>>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>>
>> Among pilots, yes.
>>
>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>>> humans something to do.
>>
>> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose
>> contact with what the airplane is doing.
>
>I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the
>pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.
>
>/BAH

Fly by wire isn't used as much as it was. In several of the new jet
fighters, the on board computer keeps the pilot from doing things that
the aircraft cannot handle.

-- 
JimP.

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#158839 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-05 05:08 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhhic6Fq2beU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158818

"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:7007bb1b7c6rkinoqukm0bu4u0h7lherdb@4ax.com...
> On 4 Feb 2016 15:14:50 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com 
>>>> > says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>
>>news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
>>>> er.org...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>>>> >> > [snip...]
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are 
>>>> >> > currently
>>not
>>>> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors 
>>>> >> > that
>>>> work
>>>> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a 
>>>> >> > car
>>that
>>>> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and 
>>>> >> > rain is
>>>> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those 
>>>> >> > of us
>>>> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long 
>>>> >> > time
>>>> >> > before
>>>> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult 
>>>> >> > conditions.
>>>> >> > Heck,
>>>> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most
>>want
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>>>> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set 
>>>> >> to
>>you".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 
>>>> >> in
>>the
>>>> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting 
>>>> >> information
>>>> from
>>>> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So 
>>>> >> then
>>the
>>>> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently 
>>>> >> did
>>>> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because 
>>>> >> they
>>had
>>>> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* 
>>>> >> receive
>>>> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>>>> >
>>>> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>>>> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>>>> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
>>>> >
>>>> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>>>> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist. 
>>>> > Watching
>>>> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>>>> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to 
>>>> > remain
>>>> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a 
>>>> > time,
>>>> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the 
>>>> > autopilot
>>>> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>>>> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>>>> > that has ever existed.
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>>>
>>> Among pilots, yes.
>>>
>>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>>>> humans something to do.
>>>
>>> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose
>>> contact with what the airplane is doing.
>>
>>I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the
>>pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.

> Fly by wire isn't used as much as it was.

It is in fact used a lot more than it ever was.

> In several of the new jet fighters, the on board computer keeps
> the pilot from doing things that the aircraft cannot handle.

And they are still so deliberately unstable by design that
it isnt  even possible to fly them manually if there is no
computer. They are MUCH too unstable for that. 

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#158846 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-02-04 13:50 -0600
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<n909t8$3lk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#158818
On 04-Feb-16 10:47, JimP wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2016 15:14:50 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> See.above@aol.com says...
>>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the 
>>>> humans something to do.
>>> 
>>> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to
>>> lose contact with what the airplane is doing.
>> 
>> I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the 
>> pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.
> 
> Fly by wire isn't used as much as it was. In several of the new jet 
> fighters, the on board computer keeps the pilot from doing things
> that the aircraft cannot handle.

What?  FBW is essential for modern planes, especially fighters and
stealth bombers that are aerodynamically unstable; they're literally
impossible to fly without computer assistance.  Even airliners have
moved to FBW because it saves weight, and they're starting to look at
aerodynamically unstable designs too.

FBW does remove feedback through the stick and pedals, but sims/games
have reproduced that artificially, and I'd expect that to make its way
into real aircraft--if it hasn't already.

Also, there's serious debate about if/when planes should second-guess
their pilots.  For instance, should a fighter to stop its pilot from
doing a hard maneuver that will bend the airframe when it may make the
difference between winning and losing a dogfight?  Should AF4590 have
stopped its pilots from pulling up too far and stalling when that may
have saved hundreds of lives on the ground?  At some point, you have to
trust the pilot to know if/when operating outside the "safe" limits is
the best (i.e. least bad) option.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#158855 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-02-04 15:24 -0700
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<2063929490.476317237.735658.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158846
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
> On 04-Feb-16 10:47, JimP wrote:
>> On 4 Feb 2016 15:14:50 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> See.above@aol.com says...
>>>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the 
>>>>> humans something to do.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to
>>>> lose contact with what the airplane is doing.
>>> 
>>> I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the 
>>> pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.
>> 
>> Fly by wire isn't used as much as it was. In several of the new jet 
>> fighters, the on board computer keeps the pilot from doing things
>> that the aircraft cannot handle.
> 
> What?  FBW is essential for modern planes, especially fighters and
> stealth bombers that are aerodynamically unstable; they're literally
> impossible to fly without computer assistance.  Even airliners have
> moved to FBW because it saves weight, and they're starting to look at
> aerodynamically unstable designs too.
> 
> FBW does remove feedback through the stick and pedals, but sims/games
> have reproduced that artificially, and I'd expect that to make its way
> into real aircraft--if it hasn't already.
> 
> Also, there's serious debate about if/when planes should second-guess
> their pilots.  For instance, should a fighter to stop its pilot from
> doing a hard maneuver that will bend the airframe when it may make the
> difference between winning and losing a dogfight?  Should AF4590 have
> stopped its pilots from pulling up too far and stalling when that may
> have saved hundreds of lives on the ground?  At some point, you have to
> trust the pilot to know if/when operating outside the "safe" limits is
> the best (i.e. least bad) option.
> 

This is the difference between Boeing and Airbus.  Airbus gives the
computer override authority and Boeing gives it to the pilots. (AIUI)

-- 
Pete

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#158828 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-05 04:47 +1100
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<dhhh5sFpo2cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158808

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM00052AF2A14080F5@aca412b3.ipt.aol.com...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com 
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >>
> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
>>> er.org...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
>>> >> > [snip...]
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are 
>>> >> > currently
> not
>>> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors 
>>> >> > that
>>> work
>>> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car
> that
>>> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain 
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of 
>>> >> > us
>>> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long 
>>> >> > time
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult 
>>> >> > conditions.
>>> >> > Heck,
>>> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most
> want
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
>>> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to
> you".
>>> >>
>>> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 
>>> >> in
> the
>>> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting 
>>> >> information
>>> from
>>> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So 
>>> >> then
> the
>>> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently 
>>> >> did
>>> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because 
>>> >> they
> had
>>> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
>>> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
>>> >
>>> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
>>> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
>>> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
>>> >
>>> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
>>> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
>>> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
>>> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to 
>>> > remain
>>> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
>>> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the 
>>> > autopilot
>>> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
>>> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
>>> > that has ever existed.
>>>
>>> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
>>
>> Among pilots, yes.
>>
>>> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
>>> humans something to do.
>>
>> The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose
>> contact with what the airplane is doing.
>
> I understand; dozing off is easy, too.

Yeah, there have been plenty of examples of that.
That wasn’t the problem with AF 447 tho.

> I also suspect that the pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.

You can't fly that sort of plane by feel in
the dark with no ground lights whatever.

That was indeed the problem, because they didn’t
follow the proper procedure that specifies how to
fly the plane when there is no reliable indication
of airspeed, they ended up pulling the nose up
so high that the plane stalled and they got
even more confused by the fact that the stall
warning kept cutting out by design and so it
stalled and ended up in in the water because
that happened too close to the water to
recover from the stall. 

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#158865 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-04 20:02 -0500
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<MPG.311dbeb6e81bc5ae989f3f@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158808
In article <PM00052AF2A14080F5@aca412b3.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com 
says...
> 
> J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <PM00052ADE1672FD71@aca48097.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> J. Clarke wrote:
> >> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>
> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septemb
> >> er.org...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >                 [snip...]                    [snip...]
> >> >> > [snip...]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently
> not
> >> >> > good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that
> >> work
> >> >> > properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car
> that
> >> >> > can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
> >> >> > going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
> >> >> > looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time
> >> >> > before
> >> >> > the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions.
> >> >> > Heck,
> >> >> > I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most
> want
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > car to drive itself is in bad weather.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When
> >> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to
> you".
> >> >>
> >> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in
> the
> >> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information
> >> from
> >> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then
> the
> >> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did
> >> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they
> had
> >> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive
> >> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.
> >> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is
> >> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that
> >> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching
> >> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best
> >> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain
> >> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time,
> >> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot
> >> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the
> >> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew
> >> > that has ever existed.
> >>
> >> I've never heard that term.  Is it a common term?
> >
> > Among pilots, yes.
> >
> >> I understand the boring part which can be solved by giving the
> >> humans something to do.
> >
> > The problem is the boredom per se, it's that it causes them to lose
> > contact with what the airplane is doing.
> 
> I understand; dozing off is easy, too.  I also suspect that the
> pilots lose the ability to fly by feel.
> 
> /BAH

"Feel" per se doesn't exist on modern airliners.  The controls are 
heavily boosted and any control feedback is artificially generated.

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#158740 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<1223516001.476228974.441461.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158665
J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
>> 
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> 
>>> [snip...]                    [snip...] 
>>> [snip...]
>>> 
>>> I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently not
>>> good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that work
>>> properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car that
>>> can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
>>> going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
>>> looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time 
>>> before
>>> the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions. 
>>> Heck,
>>> I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most want 
>>> the
>>> car to drive itself is in bad weather.
>>> 
>> 
>> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When 
>> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to you".
>> 
>> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in the 
>> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information from 
>> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then the 
>> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did 
>> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they had 
>> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive 
>> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
> 
> The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.  
> Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is 
> experience a rather severe malfunction.
> 
> The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that 
> use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching 
> an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best 
> dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain 
> focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time, 
> every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot 
> fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the 
> current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew 
> that has ever existed.
>  

Maybe the autopilot should be programmed to throw in a few jinks and jags
to keep the crew on its toes.

-- 
Pete

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#158750 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-03 18:56 -0500
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<MPG.311c5db6f27989b5989f37@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158740
In article <1223516001.476228974.441461.peter_flass-
yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>, peter_flass@yahoo.com says...
> 
> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <n8r73t$549$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
> >> 
> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> >> news:1858198680.476048189.607679.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> 
> >>> [snip...]                    [snip...] 
> >>> [snip...]
> >>> 
> >>> I just read an article that dais that self-driving cars are currently not
> >>> good in anything but clear dry xonditions.  Even getting sensors that work
> >>> properly in bad weather is going to be a problem, and getting a car that
> >>> can handle icy roads, snow-covered roads, snowstorms, fog, and rain is
> >>> going to be a much more difficult one.  Unfortunately, for those of us
> >>> looking forward to getting a self-driving car it will be a long time 
> >>> before
> >>> the car does even nearly as well as a human in difficult conditions. 
> >>> Heck,
> >>> I enjoy driving when conditions are good myself, the time I'd most want 
> >>> the
> >>> car to drive itself is in bad weather.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> But that's when technology works... when conditions are good.  When 
> >> conditions get too bad, technology "returns control of your TV set to you".
> >> 
> >> From my limited understanding of the crash of Air France flight 447 in the 
> >> Atlantic Ocean:  When the "automatic pilot" got conflicting information from 
> >> its sensors, the auto-pilot just gave up and shut itself off.  So then the 
> >> problem was dumped in the lap of the airplane crew... who evidently did 
> >> *not* have enough training in handling adverse situations because they had 
> >> depended too much on the auto-pilot in the past and did *not* receive 
> >> supplementary training to keep them sharp.
> > 
> > The problem is not that they did not know how to fly the airplane.  
> > Flying an airplane is simply not all that difficult unless it is 
> > experience a rather severe malfunction.
> > 
> > The problem is that they were "behind the airplane", a situation that 
> > use of a modern autopilot pretty much guarantees will exist.  Watching 
> > an autopilot fly a  plane is just plain _boring_.  With the best 
> > dedication in the world, very few people can force themselves to remain 
> > focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time, 
> > every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot 
> > fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the 
> > current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew 
> > that has ever existed.
> >  
> 
> Maybe the autopilot should be programmed to throw in a few jinks and jags
> to keep the crew on its toes.

That just makes it an amusement park ride.  On the other hand, 
programmed simulated outages at random intervals might be a workable 
concept, but if one of the simulated outages led to disaster there would 
be Hell to pay.

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#158844 — Re: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
SubjectRe: For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
Message-ID<n908r321cag@news6.newsguy.com>
In reply to#158750
On 2016-02-03, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1223516001.476228974.441461.peter_flass-
> yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>, peter_flass@yahoo.com says...
> 
>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> focused on watching an autopilot fly a plane for many hours at a time, 
>>> every day.  People just are not wired to do that.  So when the autopilot 
>>> fails, it takes the human crew a while to get their heads into the 
>>> current state of the airplane, even if they are the most skilled crew 
>>> that has ever existed.
>> 
>> Maybe the autopilot should be programmed to throw in a few jinks and jags
>> to keep the crew on its toes.
>
> That just makes it an amusement park ride.  On the other hand, 
> programmed simulated outages at random intervals might be a workable 
> concept, but if one of the simulated outages led to disaster there would 
> be Hell to pay.

That's why such simulated outages should be left in the simulators,
which do them very well - and indeed are used for advanced training
in dealing with such situations.

The trick is realizing when such a situation is happening while there's
still time to do something about it.  Again, simulators are good for this.

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