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| Started by | 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> |
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| First post | 2021-09-29 09:04 -0500 |
| Last post | 2021-10-12 09:38 -0500 |
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SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-29 09:04 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:44 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-09-30 01:44 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-30 12:25 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 14:03 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-09-30 23:36 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 20:20 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-09-30 14:45 -1000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 06:30 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:48 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-01 13:47 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 17:56 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-01 22:07 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 20:49 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:03 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 10:49 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 15:13 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:35 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:34 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:50 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 05:52 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet chris <chris-nospam@tridac.net> - 2021-10-20 00:00 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:13 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:48 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 22:23 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 16:07 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:06 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 19:55 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 22:17 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 08:15 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-02 13:29 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-02 07:53 -1000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-02 18:58 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:27 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-03 15:34 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 01:05 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-03 00:24 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 00:13 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-05 20:14 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 14:17 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 16:42 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-04 17:17 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 16:38 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:10 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 00:11 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 08:31 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 11:34 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 17:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-10-06 09:31 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-08 18:53 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 17:41 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 20:58 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 06:38 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 01:26 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 08:12 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 03:41 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-05 23:04 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 06:48 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 14:17 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 23:03 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-06 04:58 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:59 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:00 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2021-11-25 20:13 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-11-26 04:02 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Geeknix <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> - 2021-11-26 07:41 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-26 21:01 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-vck-this> - 2021-11-26 09:42 -0800
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet sidd@situ.com - 2021-10-16 06:40 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-16 09:14 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-16 13:19 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-17 17:31 -1000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-23 09:52 -1000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-10-01 16:26 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-10-01 23:19 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-30 18:38 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 19:26 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-30 21:39 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-01 21:32 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 20:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:24 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 11:12 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:09 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-02 18:32 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 20:41 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:40 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-03 13:31 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-03 22:57 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:06 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 14:11 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 10:28 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 10:44 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:21 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 15:29 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 11:04 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet lawrence@cluon.com (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-10-04 13:42 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ulick Magee <ulickmagee@feckoff.invalid> - 2021-11-09 23:55 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-11-09 20:44 -0600
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 06:22 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:55 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 17:19 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:13 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:26 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:11 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet sidd@situ.com - 2021-10-16 07:01 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> - 2021-10-13 18:39 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-10-13 17:58 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> - 2021-10-14 09:25 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-10-14 15:29 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-14 14:27 -1000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-10-15 10:07 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-16 02:53 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-10-16 15:34 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> - 2021-10-18 10:55 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 17:30 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-01 18:27 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:46 +0200
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:26 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-10-02 01:12 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 11:08 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 14:19 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-10-05 07:36 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 09:30 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-10-05 10:07 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 12:57 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-10-05 13:48 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 10:08 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-29 16:25 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:17 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2021-09-29 15:56 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-29 17:22 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:22 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 13:27 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 12:58 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-30 19:12 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 13:16 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 15:59 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:38 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-29 17:36 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 22:32 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:25 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:57 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-02 22:07 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:07 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 11:46 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-03 18:14 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:35 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:28 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-06 15:55 +0300
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-06 14:35 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:37 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-07 07:04 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 18:30 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:47 -0400
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-07 13:07 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:16 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-08 00:08 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:50 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:32 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:38 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-07 17:42 +0300
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:26 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 23:44 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:23 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:27 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:56 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:58 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-07 20:01 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-08 00:54 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-12 12:23 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 13:35 -0500
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-12 16:16 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-13 00:17 +0000
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-12 20:00 -0700
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-10-13 17:48 +0100
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:38 -0500
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6156040a.3268209@news.dslextreme.com> |
| In reply to | #219114 |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >In sci.crypt 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote: >> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it dead. >> It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social media, reddit, >> and the like. > >It is also obscure because: > > 1) many (most?) ISP's began dropping NNTP feeds as part of their > provided package of features when one purchased an account. If > one's ISP did not provide NNTP, and the person signing up did not > already know of Usenet and also know how to buy separate access, > then there was limited to no discovery on the part of new people > on the 'net' of Usenet As I mentioned in another forum, blame also needs to be placed on former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who threatened to prosecute ISPs over alleged child pornography in binary newsgoups and gave the major ISPs an excuse to shut down their NNTP servers entirely back in the mid-aughts.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sj531i$9g3$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #219163 |
In sci.crypt Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>In sci.crypt 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote: >>> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it >>> dead. It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social >>> media, reddit, and the like. >> >>It is also obscure because: >> >> 1) many (most?) ISP's began dropping NNTP feeds as part of their >> provided package of features when one purchased an account. If >> one's ISP did not provide NNTP, and the person signing up did >> not already know of Usenet and also know how to buy separate >> access, then there was limited to no discovery on the part of >> new people on the 'net' of Usenet > > As I mentioned in another forum, blame also needs to be placed on > former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who threatened to > prosecute ISPs over alleged child pornography in binary newsgoups and > gave the major ISPs an excuse to shut down their NNTP servers > entirely back in the mid-aughts. That did also have an impact. But consider that had NNTP/Usenet service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's would likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the NY AG. The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to shutter NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a convienent reason at the moment. Had he not done so, they would have likely latched onto some other reason to turn it off.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 21:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1cgh2ixue9.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #219166 |
On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:
> In sci.crypt Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
...
> That did also have an impact. But consider that had NNTP/Usenet
> service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP
> accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's would
> likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the NY AG.
>
> The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for
> termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to shutter
> NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a convienent reason
> at the moment. Had he not done so, they would have likely latched onto
> some other reason to turn it off.
>
Indeed.
My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new clients,
but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts. They also
closed our web pages.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <_MH5J.151941$Kv2.67222@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #219167 |
On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote: > >> That did also have an impact. But consider that had NNTP/Usenet >> service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP >> accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's >> would likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the >> NY AG. >> >> The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for >> termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to >> shutter NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a >> convienent reason at the moment. Had he not done so, they >> would have likely latched onto some other reason to turn it off. > > Indeed. > > My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new > clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts. > They also closed our web pages. You're lucky. My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river to Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase). Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through third parties. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 21:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nb4k2ixjrc.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #219188 |
On 01/10/2021 19.43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:
...
>> Indeed.
>>
>> My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new
>> clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts.
>> They also closed our web pages.
>
> You're lucky. My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river
> to Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase).
> Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through
> third parties.
I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
not google. I suffer hiccups.
Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 20:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sj7r72$5ht$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #219197 |
In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 01/10/2021 19.43, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote: > > ... > >>> Indeed. >>> >>> My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new >>> clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts. >>> They also closed our web pages. >> >> You're lucky. My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river to >> Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase). >> Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through third >> parties. > > I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, > certainly not google. I suffer hiccups. > > Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, > because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know > my address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a > nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I > think that back then independent mail providers were more expensive > or didn't offer similar service to what my ISP offered. My first 'internet email' was with $job, and as I knew full well the monitoring/tracking possibilities of internet networking I used it only for $job. When dialup ISP's suddenly popped onto the scene in my area, I signed up and got a username@isp-domain.com email address (in large part driven by $job actually starting to do some of those monitoring/tracking possibilities). When 'broadband' (DSL) appeared later in my area, I realized the negative aspects of having my email address tied to "@isp-domain.com" and bought my own domain and setup my own email hosting. That was circa 2000 now, and I've had the same email address through three different ISP's and four different "links". That was also generally in the time before the advent of google/yahoo/hotmail "webmail" service overall, so one's options were generally an "@isp-domain.com" including the negatives related to switching ISP's or "host it yourself".
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 21:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <w0L5J.141061$rl3.47138@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #219199 |
On 2021-10-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > generally an "@isp-domain.com" including the negatives related to > switching ISP's or "host it yourself". Sure, that is why you scared to live you real email address :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 11:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sja0cc$1leb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #219197 |
On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly > not google. I suffer hiccups. > > Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, > because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my > address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a > nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think > that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't > offer similar service to what my ISP offered. I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our future caretakers. All youngsters and nascent hackers: 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to check yearly. 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. 4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per year for the VPS ... it's worth it. 5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff. 6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me. This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely get clobbered when you least expect it. -- ███████████████████████████████████ █░░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░███ █░░███████░░█░░████░░███░░████░░███ [chan] 711 █░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███ spooky mart ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ always open ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ stay spooky ██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█ https://bitmessage.org ██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█ ██████░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█ ███████████████████████████████████
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 18:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20211002180932.fec8214eb42fe50f11318849@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #219216 |
On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote: > Since this hierarchy is beginning to look like a retirement community We are sometimes known as the auld farts of computing - although sadly several of the auldest farts are no longer with us and are much missed, but we're not all retired some of us are still active in the biz. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sja8qf$s1n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #219216 |
On a sunny day (Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500) it happened 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote in <sja0cc$1leb$1@gioia.aioe.org>: >On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly >> not google. I suffer hiccups. >> >> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, >> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my >> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a >> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think >> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't >> offer similar service to what my ISP offered. > >I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and >run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a >provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a >personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning >to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our >future caretakers. > >All youngsters and nascent hackers: > >1. Register a domain name and never lose it. > >2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to >check yearly. > >3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. > >4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do >not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per >year for the VPS ... it's worth it. > >5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better >for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical >servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck >even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff. > >6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me. > >This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and >backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your >presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely >get clobbered when you least expect it. I have now my website and domain registered by godaddy. Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there was an ever increasing number of attacks from all over the world, many bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs became a lot of not very interesting work, iptables has 4430 or so entries now... some whole IP ranges.. Now I also have unlimited email addresses with godaddy, popmail, so good old fetchmail and good old pine work great. But it cost money of course.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 20:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20211002204127.50d606e911c0390199486ad3@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #219227 |
On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not. > was an ever increasing number of attacks from all over the world, many > bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs The ssh attacks I ignore, sshd is set up to only accept keys and I keep those safe, likewise the VPN. The incoming mail server does get attempts to use it as a relay but it only accepts mail for delivery not relay so they don't get far. The web attacks I ignore (well occasionally I look at the logs and giggle a bit) but then my web server serves only static pages from a read-only mount and CGI support is turned off not that there are any script to handle POST, PUT or DEL it's GET only. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 23:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sjbc90$1qno$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #219231 |
On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT > Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there > > I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in > separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not. I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can" attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do." -- ███████████████████████████████████ █░░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░███ █░░███████░░█░░████░░███░░████░░███ [chan] 711 █░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███ spooky mart ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ always open ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ stay spooky ██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█ https://bitmessage.org ██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█ ██████░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█ ███████████████████████████████████
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4Ol6J.138401$lC6.100691@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #219244 |
On 2021-10-03, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote: > On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT >> Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there >> >> I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in >> separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not. > > I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is > appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can" > attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do." Be careful - it's dangerously easy to cross over into the belief that "if something can be done, it should be done." A lot of bad things have been done - and are being done today - because of this. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-03 13:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <dugo2ix149.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #219216 |
On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
>> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>>
>> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
>> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
>> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
>> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
>> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
>> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
>
> I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
> run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
> provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
> personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
> to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
> future caretakers.
>
> All youngsters and nascent hackers:
>
> 1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
>
> 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
> check yearly.
>
> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
And how do you do this?
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> |
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| Date | 2021-10-03 22:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sjdu0v$1v3f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #219247 |
On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: >> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: [...] >> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. > > And how do you do this? TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/ Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server, interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with password login and challenge disabled. Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command line foo. Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it over SSH if you want. I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which I want to avoid. With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it should be around for a long time. To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and has worked for me for many years. -- ███████████████████████████████████ █░░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░███ █░░███████░░█░░████░░███░░████░░███ [chan] 711 █░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███ spooky mart ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ always open ██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███ stay spooky ██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█ https://bitmessage.org ██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█ ██████░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█ ███████████████████████████████████
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-04 14:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ca7r2ixhra.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #219262 |
On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>
>> And how do you do this?
>
> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>
> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
> password login and challenge disabled.
That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
server is not.
(no problem with Linux)
> Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot
> of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just
> by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in
> cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command
> line foo.
>
> Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like
> HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and
> open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your
> DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and
> ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the
> server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power
> under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it
> over SSH if you want.
>
> I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work
> and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config
> code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually
> configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then
> painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or
> host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which
> I want to avoid.
>
> With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if
> you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you
> have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with
> little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP
> are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it
> should be around for a long time.
>
> To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP
> to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and
> has worked for me for many years.
>
So, there is no easy solution, it is not "just setup your own domain".
You need to "somehow" setup your own mail server, either at home, or
rented. And maintain it, either fully or partially.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-04 14:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20211004141103.ddfcd0dc879994ac5e26d46a@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #219265 |
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP. You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks. > Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail > server is not.[4 yorkshiremen] An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing services externally. Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does (my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies). It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date. [4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk) and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email, ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in 1992. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-05 10:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7uet2ix6fv.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #219270 |
On 04/10/2021 15.11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>
> You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a
> dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also
> provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as
> Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a
> little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things
> that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks.
Problem is, there are servers that require reverse DNS to work, and here
with dynamic address it will probably not. Other servers will detect it
is a dynamic address and refuse to talk to you upfront. And of course,
it can happen that somebody tries to send an email to me the instant the
DNS changes and goes to the wrong machine; at best it doesn't respond
and tries again later; at worst it goes to another home mail server.
>
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.[4 yorkshiremen]
>
> An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled
> with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as
> you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being
> attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing
> services externally.
I know, because I have one. As to being easy to maintain...
>
> Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order
> subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you
> just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an
> outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does
> (my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery
> service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies).
And there your plan goes bad, because *here* every ISP I know refuses to
set up an outgoing mail relay.
All ISPs I tried only allow you sending email IF your From address
belongs to their pool (which can be a single host).
As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly.
> It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but
> it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date.
>
> [4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with
> Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server
> to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk)
> and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would
> be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part
> of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email,
> ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an
> effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in
> 1992.
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-05 10:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20211005104434.0b092c8572f3059a5587906b@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #219322 |
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:28:23 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly. Email me (steve at sohara dot org) if you want to know which one I'm using - it's free for up to 2000 emails per month (they quote prices up to 1.5 million per month after that they want to talk and make a deal) and hasn't let me down yet. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-04 14:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sjf2kg$h9h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #219265 |
In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: >> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: >>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. >>> >>> And how do you do this? >> >> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/ >> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting >> >> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration >> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server, >> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using >> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with >> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with >> password login and challenge disabled. > > That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP. > > Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail > server is not. Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments describing what each option performs). It comes, out of the box, already configured for this use-case (single domain), and all you are telling it by the edits is little more than what your domain name is so it knows who to send/receive as and what IP addresses are used on your local network. Long gone are the days of sendmail.cf files and arcane M4 macros (both still exist if you prefer that). But Postfix makes it nearly 'turnkey' for setting one up. And that default setup is also secure overall as well. Postfix has also been quite good at forward compatibility, seldom does an old config file fail to 'configure' a newer version, so "maintaining" is more often than not a "shutdown, upgrade to new version, restart" cycle for the mailserver.
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