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| Started by | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| First post | 2016-02-21 09:13 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-02-27 10:17 -0800 |
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Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 09:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:23 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 17:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-22 01:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-22 16:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 20:49 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 18:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 19:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:20 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-24 17:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 05:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-25 10:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 04:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 15:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 21:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 14:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 20:18 -0800
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-26 12:15 +0100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:24 -0800
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:14 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-25 23:34 -0600
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-26 10:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 14:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 15:50 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 10:46 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 18:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:40 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 10:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:23 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 14:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:22 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 13:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:56 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-26 12:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-26 23:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-27 09:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-27 14:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-27 17:08 -0800
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-28 09:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-28 19:00 -0800
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-29 22:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-01 22:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 13:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-02 21:09 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-03 05:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-02 19:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:45 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 16:27 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-03 01:02 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 17:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-17 10:42 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-27 19:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:21 -0800
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-27 20:19 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 08:27 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:25 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 15:00 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 13:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 17:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-27 18:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-27 17:12 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 05:43 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:41 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 11:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 14:57 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-29 09:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 16:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 09:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:35 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:35 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-08 00:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:49 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 12:49 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 11:03 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 15:56 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 10:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 18:41 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:12 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 03:28 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:09 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 09:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:13 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-28 12:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:32 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:40 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-28 18:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 20:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:22 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 06:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:35 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 13:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:54 +1100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 10:51 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-28 22:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:01 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 05:01 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-01 10:12 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:59 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:06 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 09:12 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:37 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 06:04 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:33 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-13 11:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:47 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-28 10:58 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 04:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:38 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:44 +1100
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:56 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 22:53 -0600
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 14:02 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 11:36 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:58 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 10:16 -0800
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 21:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:23 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:02 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:18 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-01 15:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:13 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-09 12:38 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-09 19:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 05:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 09:35 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 07:42 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-10 15:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:23 -0700
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-02 07:29 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:04 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-02 12:50 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 11:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 11:47 -0800
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 22:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:44 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 15:08 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:19 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:56 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 10:57 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:56 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:28 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:41 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:24 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 14:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 18:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 21:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 23:13 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 23:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-22 12:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 10:32 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 10:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:10 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-22 19:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 05:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 11:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-25 08:50 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-25 10:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:34 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 12:58 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:01 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 16:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:49 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 10:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 12:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 18:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 20:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 20:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 16:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 16:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 09:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 13:29 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 18:27 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 20:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 11:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-11 10:09 -0600
Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:21 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-11 10:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 16:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 19:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-10 16:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 00:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 18:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 10:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 18:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:26 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:44 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:36 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 12:55 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 08:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 11:57 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:13 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-02 17:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:36 -0600
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 12:14 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 18:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:03 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 14:04 -0800
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 16:16 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 17:02 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 19:01 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 09:47 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-04 11:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 12:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:34 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:02 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-04 10:54 -0800
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-04 20:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:41 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 17:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 14:42 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 22:37 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:45 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-08 17:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 22:11 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:10 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 13:07 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 11:27 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:05 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:28 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 17:37 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 16:10 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 18:00 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:07 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:06 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:39 -0400
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 20:23 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:17 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:15 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 08:13 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 07:24 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:53 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:58 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-08 15:34 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 10:05 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-09 09:41 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:57 +1100
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-09 21:11 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 15:23 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:31 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 12:59 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:19 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:29 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:45 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 17:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 13:42 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 10:11 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 13:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 10:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 19:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:19 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-03 11:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-16 22:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 09:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 12:10 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 19:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 17:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-18 12:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:02 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 10:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 11:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 12:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-18 15:42 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 17:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-18 17:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 19:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-18 21:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 14:39 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-21 07:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-21 20:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 12:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-19 17:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-20 03:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 07:45 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 06:09 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 09:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 04:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:21 -0600
Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 13:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 17:02 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 18:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-21 11:24 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 16:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-21 17:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:03 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 10:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 11:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 17:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-23 10:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-13 07:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-21 19:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 08:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:17 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:58 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:28 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 13:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 16:48 -0700
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-20 00:37 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:05 -0600
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-20 12:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 14:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:06 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 19:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:17 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 12:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 17:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:55 -0600
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 14:00 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 14:32 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 06:53 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:03 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 19:34 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 17:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 21:47 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-23 18:34 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:39 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-23 09:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 16:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 17:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 18:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:30 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 15:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-24 01:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 22:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 19:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-24 13:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-25 12:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-25 09:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 12:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-29 13:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last,name.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:12 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:43 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 05:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:26 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 09:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 23:06 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:08 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 17:59 +0100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-30 11:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-30 15:13 -0600
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:53 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-04-01 16:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-01 12:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 14:05 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 09:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:07 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:06 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-29 22:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 15:16 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:58 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:13 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 21:19 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-31 12:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-31 12:16 +0200
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-31 12:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-31 13:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:39 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-30 11:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-31 16:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 16:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 17:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 23:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 19:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:24 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 13:47 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-09 18:23 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:45 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 14:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:34 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 13:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:05 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-25 12:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 11:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:43 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:24 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-28 15:53 -0600
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-25 22:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:18 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 17:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-26 19:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 20:22 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:34 -0300
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-27 09:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-27 17:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:47 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:48 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 09:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 09:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 10:18 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 10:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 09:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 11:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 14:19 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-11 23:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 13:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 07:15 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 05:26 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-25 12:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:43 -0300
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-27 13:02 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-27 19:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-27 15:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:40 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:08 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 11:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 12:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 07:32 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:53 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:29 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 13:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 14:47 +0100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:49 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 07:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-01 09:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 13:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 06:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:27 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 17:45 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:30 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 18:31 -0300
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 16:32 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:30 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 04:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:30 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 11:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 19:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:31 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 00:42 +0200
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:41 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-28 14:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:30 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 20:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 15:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 09:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-23 19:58 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 06:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 07:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-22 19:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 11:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-23 09:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 06:30 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 10:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-24 14:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 14:46 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-24 16:59 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 13:59 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:23 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-25 13:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:54 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-21 17:46 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-22 11:31 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-22 13:15 +0100
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 04:48 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 18:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 21:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 13:48 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-17 00:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 09:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-17 10:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-17 12:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-17 06:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 13:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-18 18:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-18 17:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 20:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 07:28 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 13:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 17:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-24 13:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 13:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 12:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-16 23:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:07 +1100
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-03-04 21:45 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-05 10:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-03-06 13:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-29 09:04 +0000
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-10 20:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nbt9hq$97k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160828 |
On 3/10/2016 6:27 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 10-Mar-16 13:29, Dave Garland wrote: >> On 3/10/2016 9:48 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>> On 02-Mar-16 16:51, Dave Garland wrote: >>>> On 3/2/2016 2:25 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>>>> There's a totally different set of arguments for such cases, >>>>> but they generally fall under a society's right to defend >>>>> itself against acts committed by other societies. I do grant >>>>> that the US often takes that further than such logic supports, >>>>> e.g. preemptive attacks. >>>> >>>> But now you're discussing the rationale for such acts, not >>>> whether or not they occur. >>> >>> There is no legitimate debate as to whether govts kill people; >>> however, why they do so affects whether it counts as "murder". >>> Ditto for his many other accusations. >> >> I'm not sure that I agree that it depends on why they did the act. > > Of course it does. If someone breaks into my house and is wielding a > deadly weapon, defending my family is not "murder", whereas shooting the > same person unarmed at the grocery store would be. > >> How can anyone know "why" they do so? > > The difficulty of proving mens rea is one of the reasons that so many > cases are plea bargained. > >> We cannot assume that the government inevitably tells us the truth. >> We don't automatically accept the word of the perpetrator in other >> instances. We inquire, adjudicate, and if the perp's profession of >> innocence or necessity appears to be BS, we punish. > > Of course, but justice requires that one start with a presumption of > innocence and requiring proving otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt; we > can't just blindly call every homicide a murder, for instance. Well, the distinction is legal rather than practical. In either case, if you're dead you're dead. Absent the International Criminal Court (to whose authority the US refuses to submit), who is there that can judge? Or does one just say "we can't know, so it doesn't matter"? >>>> I am not aware of any evidence that he had joined a foreign >>>> army. (When killed, he was apparently sitting at an outdoor >>>> cafe.) >>> >>> Wasn't this the guy who joined al Qaeda? >> >> His dad was a big figure in AQ. Did he join? (What exactly does >> "joining" mean?) He was 16 and allegedly trying to find his dad. How >> would we know, aside from the word of his killer (who may be >> mistaken, or may be lying)? > > Ah, I thought we were discussing the father. I don't know what, if any, > evidence there was against the son, but I do believe a trial should be > held rather than just assuming the govt was in the wrong. Of course you (and I) don't know. And they won't tell us, either. But how would you hold such a trial (and under whose authority)? Who is in the dock? The President? The individual (CIA?) employees responsible for the targeting and killing? The obstacles are imposing. If a corporation is a "person", is the govt, and can it plead the 5th? With a civil suit, if the defendant doesn't answer, the plaintiff wins by default. In the absence of evidence provided by the govt, what other choice is there? > One thing I suspect we _do_ agree on is that the govt far too often > claims that such matters can't be discussed in court due to "national > security", and that courts grant them too much leniency. In a nation of > ~320 million people, surely we can find a judge and twelve jurors that > qualify for the necessary clearances. Yes, but the govt won't cooperate with that, because they won't chance a ruling against them. > >>>>>> any more than they cared to prosecute the responsible >>>>>> (higher-up) parties for My Lai or Abu Gharib. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know enough about My Lai, but in the case of Abu >>>>> Ghraib, it is still unclear whether any laws were actually >>>>> broken. (If not, IMHO we need to make better laws, but they >>>>> couldn't be retroactive.) >>>> >>>> Of course laws were broken. >>> >>> Which ones? >> >> I'm pretty sure it's a war crime to round up 400 civilians and >> execute them in cold blood. After WWII we hung Germans and Japanese >> for acts like that. > > AIUI, they were "unlawful combatants" under the Geneva Convention, so > even if it did qualify as "torture", it was not a war crime. The inhabitants of My Lai (women, children, and old men) were "unlawful combatants" only in the same sense that the inhabitants of the village of Lidice were. As for the Abu Gharib prisoners, some of them probably were. Under the Geneva Convention, such must be treated as POWs until a "competent tribunal" finds them to be unlawful combatants". Were they examined by a "competent tribunal" and found to be such? Even so, they must still be "treated humanely". Would you call their treatment "humane"? As to whether it is a "war crime", My Lai certainly was. Abu Gharib was probably a violation of the Geneva Accords, and probably a crime, but I'm not sure what the precise definition of "war crime" is. > OTOH, as you note, some events _were_ crimes under US law, and the > specific people who committed them _were_ prosecuted. But unless we can > prove that their superiors knew about (much less approved of or ordered) > it, that seems to be where the consequences end. And when the government has no interest in doing so? You seem to be saying that if the govt chooses not to prosecute, no crime exists. Since the govt will not choose to prosecute itself, it can commit no crime. In civilian cases, a > defendant is often offered a plea bargain if they testify against their > boss, but in courts martial, I wouldn't be surprised if they only get a > deal if they _don't_ do so, for the same bullshit "national security" > reasons, which would be a gross miscarriage of justice. > > S >
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 11:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <y5OdnWHkY8zVO3_LnZ2dnUU78WnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #160833 |
On 11/03/2016 02:14, Dave Garland wrote: >> One thing I suspect we _do_ agree on is that the govt far too often >> claims that such matters can't be discussed in court due to "national >> security", and that courts grant them too much leniency. In a nation of >> ~320 million people, surely we can find a judge and twelve jurors that >> qualify for the necessary clearances. > > Yes, but the govt won't cooperate with that, because they won't chance a > ruling against them. The USA even has a high security court. The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) issues the National Security Agency (NSA) with court orders authorising the tapping of phones and bugging of buildings. Extending that court's powers would not be too difficult.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 10:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nbuqed$612$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160849 |
On 3/11/2016 5:06 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote: > On 11/03/2016 02:14, Dave Garland wrote: >>> One thing I suspect we _do_ agree on is that the govt far too often >>> claims that such matters can't be discussed in court due to "national >>> security", and that courts grant them too much leniency. In a >>> nation of >>> ~320 million people, surely we can find a judge and twelve jurors that >>> qualify for the necessary clearances. >> >> Yes, but the govt won't cooperate with that, because they won't >> chance a >> ruling against them. > > The USA even has a high security court. The United States Foreign > Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) issues the National Security > Agency (NSA) with court orders authorising the tapping of phones and > bugging of buildings. Extending that court's powers would not be too > difficult. True, but all indications are that the FISC is a govt lapdog. From 1979 through 2013 the govt submitted 35,529 applications for warrants, and the FISC approved 35,517. One of the court judges publicly complained that applications were sometimes backed by false information, but apparently the court can live with that,
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| From | Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 11:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <66f6c76237c1f1f-fb426@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #160859 |
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:09:31AM -0600, Dave Garland wrote: > On 3/11/2016 5:06 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote: > >On 11/03/2016 02:14, Dave Garland wrote: > >>>One thing I suspect we _do_ agree on is that the govt far too often > >>>claims that such matters can't be discussed in court due to "national > >>>security", and that courts grant them too much leniency. In a > >>>nation of > >>>~320 million people, surely we can find a judge and twelve jurors that > >>>qualify for the necessary clearances. > >> > >>Yes, but the govt won't cooperate with that, because they won't > >>chance a > >>ruling against them. > > > >The USA even has a high security court. The United States Foreign > >Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) issues the National Security > >Agency (NSA) with court orders authorising the tapping of phones and > >bugging of buildings. Extending that court's powers would not be too > >difficult. > > True, but all indications are that the FISC is a govt lapdog. From > 1979 through 2013 the govt submitted 35,529 applications for warrants, > and the FISC approved 35,517. One of the court judges publicly > complained that applications were sometimes backed by false > information, but apparently the court can live with that, Sure. What's a little fraud and gross negligence between friends? It's not like the FISA court considers matters related to people's lives, careers, or even important matters of national security. -- When I use the word 'science' I do not mean to refer to the "let's play God and go forth to commit crimes against humanity for fun and profit" science which otherwise refers to itself as 'Christian Science'. How others may use the term I cannot say.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 10:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e6828808-cfd5-4e27-8357-318b1564805a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160861 |
On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:30:05 AM UTC-7, Uncle Steve wrote: > When I use the word 'science' I do not mean to refer to the "let's > play God and go forth to commit crimes against humanity for fun and > profit" science which otherwise refers to itself as 'Christian > Science'. How others may use the term I cannot say. Whatever Mary Baker Eddy might have had to do with the design of nuclear weapons, or anti-personnel weapons, escapes me at the moment. Not that encouraging parents not to get medical treatment for their sick children is not wrong, but usually that's not the sort of thing people call "crimes against humanity". Or, possibly, this has nothing to do with the Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist and instead has to do with the kind of science that sticks to technology, and doesn't try to needlessly trouble the faithful by speculating on evolution or cosmology. John Savard
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| From | Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 16:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6a65b6076df333a-469ea@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #160866 |
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:28:10AM -0800, Quadibloc wrote: > On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:30:05 AM UTC-7, Uncle Steve wrote: > > > When I use the word 'science' I do not mean to refer to the "let's > > play God and go forth to commit crimes against humanity for fun and > > profit" science which otherwise refers to itself as 'Christian > > Science'. How others may use the term I cannot say. > > Whatever Mary Baker Eddy might have had to do with the design of nuclear > weapons, or anti-personnel weapons, escapes me at the moment. It's just part of my .sig, and is not intended to apply directly to the topic in the thread. But since you mention it, the OSS psychological workup on Hitler suggests that MBE was much like Adolf (1942). Fast-forward to the late Nineteen Seventies, and we have Stansfield M Turner as Director CIA subsequent to being NATO CIC, Allied Forces Southern Europe. He would have been cleared to know all about strategic and tactical nuclear weapons during that time. Now a comparison of nominal equivalence between Hitler and MBE is not in and of itself a reflection on the religious movement, unless the OSS knows more about the Church of Christ, Scientist than they have so far disclosed through declassified publications through their successor the CIA. Nevertheless it is concerning considering the church's eschatology as we know it. I have personally had a brush with a seemingly high-profile member or members of that "faith" and can assure you that on that basis the slur is applicable. > Not that encouraging parents not to get medical treatment for their sick > children is not wrong, but usually that's not the sort of thing people call > "crimes against humanity". It might be if they (some of them) know they are dooming their children to sickness or death deliberately while they hide behind the excuse of religious doctrine. But that is not the main thrust of my aspersions on their religion. I do not propose to go into great detail here other than to note that many religious people behave one way when they know someone is watching, and quite another when they feel they are unobserved. > Or, possibly, this has nothing to do with the Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist > and instead has to do with the kind of science that sticks to technology, and > doesn't try to needlessly trouble the faithful by speculating on evolution or > cosmology. As I said, my .sig is not intended to apply to every message thread I might post messages to. -- When I use the word 'science' I do not mean to refer to the "let's play God and go forth to commit crimes against humanity for fun and profit" science which otherwise refers to itself as 'Christian Science'. How others may use the term I cannot say.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 19:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9b2dnczRpaDVgn7LnZ2dnUU78KXNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #160859 |
On 11/03/2016 16:09, Dave Garland wrote: > On 3/11/2016 5:06 AM, Andrew Swallow wrote: >> On 11/03/2016 02:14, Dave Garland wrote: >>>> One thing I suspect we _do_ agree on is that the govt far too often >>>> claims that such matters can't be discussed in court due to "national >>>> security", and that courts grant them too much leniency. In a >>>> nation of >>>> ~320 million people, surely we can find a judge and twelve jurors that >>>> qualify for the necessary clearances. >>> >>> Yes, but the govt won't cooperate with that, because they won't >>> chance a >>> ruling against them. >> >> The USA even has a high security court. The United States Foreign >> Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) issues the National Security >> Agency (NSA) with court orders authorising the tapping of phones and >> bugging of buildings. Extending that court's powers would not be too >> difficult. > > True, but all indications are that the FISC is a govt lapdog. From 1979 > through 2013 the govt submitted 35,529 applications for warrants, and > the FISC approved 35,517. One of the court judges publicly complained > that applications were sometimes backed by false information, but > apparently the court can live with that, When it comes to search warrants all counts are government lapdogs. The standard of proof has to be very low.
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-10 16:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a933b616-9b4b-4db8-8660-51dd7592069d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160804 |
On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 10:48:39 AM UTC-5, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > I agree that cops kill people, including unarmed ones that are not in > any way resisting arrest or threatening the cops. I also agree that > such cops should be prosecuted--and so do many others, both inside and > outside the govt. But some do not. While I don't like street cameras, they have indeed helped identify bad cops who have shot people for no valid reason. They have also served to justify some police shootings. Of course, now society is debating whether certain circumstances justify shooting. That is, everyone could see the same video of a shooting, but different groups will have different opinions of whether the cop(s) were justified in shooting. > The problem in practice is that local prosecutors and judges work with > those cops every day, which creates an obvious conflict of interest; > such cases should automatically have a change of venue and a special > prosecutor assigned to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. I understand your point, but 'special prosecutors' have their own agenda and that can be a bad solution. Our society is focused a great deal on cops and their bad behavior. However, we need to also focus on prosecutors and their bad behavior. Prosecutors have a great deal of power and resources, that really isn't balanced out by the defense. Previously posted was an article about some accused terrorists sent away for life who maintain their innocence. The govt's star witness was a convicted criminal, who apparently went to a great deal of trouble encouraging the defendants to plan an attack. We now know the prosecutor in the case, now a politician, is a real opportunist (IMHO, a liar.)
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1631171609.478657763.247961.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #160475 |
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 01-Mar-16 16:18, Dave Garland wrote: >> On 2/29/2016 2:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> You're the only person in the world who believes that the U.S. >>> Government practics "murder, theft, extortion and other sundry >>> activities" against its own citizens. You're the out-liar here. >> >> While I think Roger is engaging in rhetorical excess, and I seldom >> agree with his politics, I don't think he explicitly said "against >> its own citizens". It's not too hard to find examples where the US >> Government has committed those acts against others > > There's a totally different set of arguments for such cases, but they > generally fall under a society's right to defend itself against acts > committed by other societies. I do grant that the US often takes that > further than such logic supports, e.g. preemptive attacks. > >> (even if we don't count the assassination in Yemen via drone strike >> of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a native-born American citizen). > > There are always going to be corner cases that require tweaking what > starts out as a simple general rule. For that one, I think the right > answer is that US law says he forfeit his citizenship by voluntarily > joining a foreign army. > > (Dual citizens being drafted are the reason for the "voluntarily" > exception, but AFAIK that doesn't apply in this case.) I don't think we used to allow dual citizenship, and I don't think we should. You're either American or you aren't, and if you aren't, you shouldn't have the privileges of citizenship. > >> Though some of his examples did mention citizens being killed by >> police in routine traffic stops. Since police are government (though >> not Federal) employees, I'd say those count as government killings. >> I'd say those were aberrations but the lack of vigorous prosecution >> does suggest that government doesn't care, > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? > > "The govt" is made up of people, and some of them do in fact care about > such issues, but they're hamstrung by a vocal minority who don't. > >> any more than they cared to prosecute the responsible (higher-up) >> parties for My Lai or Abu Gharib. > > I don't know enough about My Lai, but in the case of Abu Ghraib, it is > still unclear whether any laws were actually broken. (If not, IMHO we > need to make better laws, but they couldn't be retroactive.) > > S > -- Pete
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-03 00:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nb8moo$ohg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160487 |
On 02-Mar-16 18:35, Peter Flass wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> There are always going to be corner cases that require tweaking >> what starts out as a simple general rule. For that one, I think >> the right answer is that US law says he forfeit his citizenship by >> voluntarily joining a foreign army. >> >> (Dual citizens being drafted are the reason for the "voluntarily" >> exception, but AFAIK that doesn't apply in this case.) > > I don't think we used to allow dual citizenship, Like most countries, the US doesn't formally recognize dual citizens, but it makes minor allowances for them in situations like this. If you're drafted by another country that _also_ claims you as a citizen, the US won't revoke your US citizenship in response, but it won't do anything to protect you from that happening either. Also like most countries, the US _creates_ millions of dual citizens by refusing to recognize a renunciation of US citizenship made as part of the oath of citizenship to another country. So, if you move to Canada and become a Canadian citizen, you don't lose your old US citizenship unless you either voluntarily serve in the Canadian military, renounce your citizenship at a US consulate/embassy (you can't do it in the US because you'd instantly become an illegal immigrant), or a handful of other rare circumstances. > and I don't think we should. *shrug* It's generally harmless. > You're either American or you aren't, and if you aren't, you > shouldn't have the privileges of citizenship. That's generally the policy of the US govt; if you're a US citizen, you must (re)enter on your US passport even if you'd otherwise be entitled to enter under another one, and you're considered a US citizen while you're here, e.g. no notifying your consulate if you get arrested. Of course, your other country(ies) of citizenship will do the same when you're there. Countries not claiming you as a citizen will generally consider you a citizen of whichever country's passport you used to get your visa (or visa waiver) to enter--and aside from cases like the Israelis/Arabs, they'll accept for that whichever is most favorable to you. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-03 18:59 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djq97jFe8grU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #160494 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:nb8moo$ohg$1@dont-email.me... > On 02-Mar-16 18:35, Peter Flass wrote: >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> There are always going to be corner cases that require tweaking >>> what starts out as a simple general rule. For that one, I think >>> the right answer is that US law says he forfeit his citizenship by >>> voluntarily joining a foreign army. >>> >>> (Dual citizens being drafted are the reason for the "voluntarily" >>> exception, but AFAIK that doesn't apply in this case.) >> >> I don't think we used to allow dual citizenship, > > Like most countries, the US doesn't formally recognize dual citizens, > but it makes minor allowances for them in situations like this. If > you're drafted by another country that _also_ claims you as a citizen, > the US won't revoke your US citizenship in response, but it won't do > anything to protect you from that happening either. > > Also like most countries, the US _creates_ millions of dual citizens by > refusing to recognize a renunciation of US citizenship made as part of > the oath of citizenship to another country. So, if you move to Canada > and become a Canadian citizen, you don't lose your old US citizenship > unless you either voluntarily serve in the Canadian military, renounce > your citizenship at a US consulate/embassy (you can't do it in the US > because you'd instantly become an illegal immigrant), Pigs arse you would. JUST a visitor. > or a handful of other rare circumstances. > >> and I don't think we should. > > *shrug* It's generally harmless. > >> You're either American or you aren't, and if you aren't, you >> shouldn't have the privileges of citizenship. > > That's generally the policy of the US govt; if you're a US citizen, you > must (re)enter on your US passport even if you'd otherwise be entitled > to enter under another one, and you're considered a US citizen while > you're here, e.g. no notifying your consulate if you get arrested. > > Of course, your other country(ies) of citizenship will do the same when > you're there. Not necessarily. > Countries not claiming you as a citizen will generally consider you a > citizen of whichever country's passport you used to get your visa (or > visa waiver) to enter--and aside from cases like the Israelis/Arabs, > they'll accept for that whichever is most favorable to you.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-03 10:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nb9pnt$df0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160494 |
On 3/3/2016 12:51 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 02-Mar-16 18:35, Peter Flass wrote: >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> There are always going to be corner cases that require tweaking >>> what starts out as a simple general rule. For that one, I think >>> the right answer is that US law says he forfeit his citizenship by >>> voluntarily joining a foreign army. >>> >>> (Dual citizens being drafted are the reason for the "voluntarily" >>> exception, but AFAIK that doesn't apply in this case.) >> >> I don't think we used to allow dual citizenship, > > Like most countries, the US doesn't formally recognize dual citizens, > but it makes minor allowances for them in situations like this. If > you're drafted by another country that _also_ claims you as a citizen, > the US won't revoke your US citizenship in response, but it won't do > anything to protect you from that happening either. > > Also like most countries, the US _creates_ millions of dual citizens by > refusing to recognize a renunciation of US citizenship made as part of > the oath of citizenship to another country. So, if you move to Canada > and become a Canadian citizen, you don't lose your old US citizenship > unless you either voluntarily serve in the Canadian military, Joining or serving in another country's military in and of itself does not affect US citizenship, unless there was intent to renounce US citizenship (hard to prove). Serving as a commissioned or noncommissioned officer in the military of another state that is engaged in hostilities with the US will do it, though that would imply that merely serving as a soldier isn't enough. http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/citizenship-and-foreign-military-service.html renounce > your citizenship at a US consulate/embassy (you can't do it in the US > because you'd instantly become an illegal immigrant), or a handful of > other rare circumstances. > >> and I don't think we should. > > *shrug* It's generally harmless. > >> You're either American or you aren't, and if you aren't, you >> shouldn't have the privileges of citizenship. > > That's generally the policy of the US govt; if you're a US citizen, you > must (re)enter on your US passport even if you'd otherwise be entitled > to enter under another one, and you're considered a US citizen while > you're here, e.g. no notifying your consulate if you get arrested. > > Of course, your other country(ies) of citizenship will do the same when > you're there. > > Countries not claiming you as a citizen will generally consider you a > citizen of whichever country's passport you used to get your visa (or > visa waiver) to enter--and aside from cases like the Israelis/Arabs, > they'll accept for that whichever is most favorable to you. > > S >
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| From | Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 20:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <proto-1BBF7E.20521216032016@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #160362 |
In article <gV1By.30507$uT1.7832@fx27.iad>, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > You're the only person in the world who believes that the U.S. Government > practics "murder, theft, extortion and other sundry activities" against > its own citizens. You're the out-liar here. Obama had a citizen executed without judicial warrant and all governments engage in murder. -- To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation is that good for the world? Christopher Hitchens
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 18:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5566d830-6079-4019-b15c-79c14eb1f72e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #161123 |
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:52:16 PM UTC-6, Walter Bushell wrote: > Obama had a citizen executed without judicial warrant and all governments > engage in murder. This is somehow worse than killing a foreigner who is actively killing Americans, and who can't be reached by police to put him under arrest? Awlaki was actively inciting murders of Americans at the time he was killed. Being an American himself *makes absolutely no difference* - unless you think that Mexicans, Canadians, or whoever else aren't really people and don't have rights. John Savard
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 20:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncd2gs$9bq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161126 |
On 3/16/2016 8:11 PM, Quadibloc wrote: > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 6:52:16 PM UTC-6, Walter Bushell wrote: > >> Obama had a citizen executed without judicial warrant and all governments >> engage in murder. > > This is somehow worse than killing a foreigner who is actively killing > Americans, and who can't be reached by police to put him under arrest? > > Awlaki was actively inciting murders of Americans at the time he was killed. Junior, or Senior? Dad was certainly doing that, probably more. Junior was 16 at the time he was whacked (2 weeks after they got dad). And, how do you know he was doing that? Do you know by some means that does not involve taking the word of the killers for it? > Being an American himself *makes absolutely no difference* - unless you think > that Mexicans, Canadians, or whoever else aren't really people and don't have > rights. > > John Savard >
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 16:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e6d3b675-e0fa-4b0f-9c86-de691ccc5a06@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160360 |
On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote: > Ah, the old jurisdictional argument. Don't like the protection racket > being imposed by the local mobsters? Move to a place where the mobsters > have rackets more to your liking. Well, yeah. Who says there is anything wrong with mobsters and rackets? You certainly can't claim so, since you don't believe in any rules.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-01 13:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nb4rp6$fgb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160360 |
On 29-Feb-16 14:19, Roger Blake wrote: > On 2016-02-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Roger clearly prefers the political system in somalia or libya over >> the political system in any enlightened western society. > > Nonsense. However you obviously have no problem with an > "enlightened" system that practices murder, theft, extortion, and > various other sundry activities - activities that you would *never* > accept from any private organization - If I were a member of that organization, of course I would; that is presumably why I joined in the first place! >> He's free to move to one of those countries any time he likes, > > Ah, the old jurisdictional argument. Don't like the protection > racket being imposed by the local mobsters? Move to a place where the > mobsters have rackets more to your liking. What you're missing is that, in the case of govt, _you_ are one of those so-called mobsters. The govt is not some externally-imposed force; you are a member of the society that instituted it! > Of course having no government at all may not be possible, AFAIK, no society without a govt has ever scaled above the tribal stage, i.e. where every person knows every other person. Ditto for communism, and probably for the same reasons. > It may be an ideal that can be approached but not fully realized, It may be _your_ ideal, but it's not a commonly held one. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 10:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djmlreFh81jU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #160420 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:nb4rp6$fgb$1@dont-email.me... > On 29-Feb-16 14:19, Roger Blake wrote: >> On 2016-02-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>> Roger clearly prefers the political system in somalia or libya over >>> the political system in any enlightened western society. >> >> Nonsense. However you obviously have no problem with an >> "enlightened" system that practices murder, theft, extortion, and >> various other sundry activities - activities that you would *never* >> accept from any private organization - > > If I were a member of that organization, of course I would; that is > presumably why I joined in the first place! > >>> He's free to move to one of those countries any time he likes, >> >> Ah, the old jurisdictional argument. Don't like the protection >> racket being imposed by the local mobsters? Move to a place where the >> mobsters have rackets more to your liking. > > What you're missing is that, in the case of govt, _you_ are one of those > so-called mobsters. The govt is not some externally-imposed force; you > are a member of the society that instituted it! > >> Of course having no government at all may not be possible, > > AFAIK, no society without a govt has ever scaled above the tribal stage, > i.e. where every person knows every other person. Ditto for communism, That isnt true of Israeli kibbutz. > and probably for the same reasons. For quite different reasons. >> It may be an ideal that can be approached but not fully realized, > > It may be _your_ ideal, but it's not a commonly held one.
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-01 15:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <de443da3-b8f1-4e2d-ac56-e09965b1df95@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160420 |
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:53:02 PM UTC-5, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > It may be _your_ ideal, but it's not a commonly held one. That's the key point that the anti-government types fail to understand. Government exists because the vast majority of people agreed to create it, recognizing that having a government is in their best interest. When it gets down to it, those folks want the services but don't want to pay for them. Also, they want the services just for themselves, but not others.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-01 13:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nb4qr6$b8r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #160296 |
On 28-Feb-16 22:17, Roger Blake wrote: > On 2016-02-28, Alexis <ggyy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Many people do not like lots of semi-poor people not having >>> health cover. Government is the organisation for collective >>> action >> >> Yes. > > No. Government is the organization for murder, theft, extortion, > slavery, destruction, and a wide variety of criminal activities on a > mass scale. That's not even up for debate, any history book will > confirm that this is the case. *eyeroll* You can take off the tin-foil hat now. > To get the fuzzballs out of your head you need to stop giving the > institution of government a special status that it does not merit Every society has rules; govt is merely an institution created to enforce those rules. Your problem is not with govt; you simply don't agree with (some of) society's rules, in particular the one saying that, as a member of a society, you have to pay your share of society's costs. > Some government lays claim to virtually every square inch of the > planet ... Even if you do attempt to get off the plantation by going > to some out of the way place, There are two remaining cases of terra nullius; you are welcome to move to either one, but don't expect to live very long. There is a _reason_ societies institute govts. > the State will ultimately still come after you. Some have found > this out the hard way. Who and which state, specifically? The very definition of terra nullius is that _no_ state asserts authority over it, and in both cases, the potential claimaints take pains _not_ to do so when they very easily could. > The territory-based claim of government "jurisdiction" is no > different than that of gangsters engaging in a protection racket. In > both cases, "authority" is based on their ability to physically lay > their hands on you and commit violence against your person. A society inherently has authority over its own members, and if it chooses to institute a govt, it imbues it with that authority. A gang asserts authority over non-members, which is totally different. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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