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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] |
| Date | 2026-04-01 15:41 -0400 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
| Message-ID | <mddv7eampsr.fsf_-_@panix5.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <10qdbas$2991c$1@dont-email.me> <10qdsqr$2fj63$1@dont-email.me> <10qj0dd$65ea$1@dont-email.me> |
Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> writes:
[ snip ]
> So now I had my OS running on a RISC-V emulator written in BCPL running on an
> OS written in BCPL running on the '816. Turtles all the way, as may be said.
> It was slow but usable as a test bed before I found suitable actual RISC-V
> hardware.
When XKL was developing their first product, code named "ToaD" = "10 on a desk",
the primary work was done on a DECSYSTEM-2065 running TOPS-20 v6.1 (which I
upgraded to v7.0 when I got there a couple of years later).
Because the Toad was an extended clone of the KL-10 processor, featuring full
30 bit addressing, changes needed to be made to TOPS-20 to support the memory
model in its full glory.
Ralph Gorin[*] wrote an emulator for the Toad in assembly language. This executed
all instructions natively on the KL-10; the primary difference was that the
JSYS ("Jump to SYStem") instruction was assembled as an unused opcode rather
than the defined 104, so that the emulator program could use all the OS facilities
directly without interference from the emulated system.
Once we had working hardware, regression testing against the emulator had us up
and running in days rather than weeks.
[*] Ralph is of course the author of _Assembly Language Programming for the
DECSYSTEM-20_, first edition published by Digital Press (a DEC subsidiary).
Among other hats he wore in the startup phase of XKL was "Chief System Architect".
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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