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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Date | 2026-03-31 21:34 +0000 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
| Message-ID | <10qhekt$eu5$1@reader2.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <10qdbas$2991c$1@dont-email.me> <10qdsqr$2fj63$1@dont-email.me> <10qe15h$aq3$3@reader2.panix.com> <10qe21b$2han9$2@dont-email.me> |
In article <10qe21b$2han9$2@dont-email.me>, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: >On 3/30/26 07:25, Dan Cross wrote: >>> the way the ridiculous does. >> >> Writing a proper multitasking OS usually requires some mechanism >> to protect the OS itself from errant user programs; this implies >> harwdare mechanisms that just don't exist on the 6502. >> > >There's Minux, which could run on an 8086, if you want to consider that >a "proper" multitasking OS. Then there are things for the PDP-8 and -11, >like TSS8. Sure. It's doable, which is why I weaseled with the word, "usually". But the resulting system will be susceptible to errant programs interfering with its baseline operation as a matter of course. It may not happen _often_, or even at all for a given set of applications, but the possibility is there. The same is also true of many systems that run on machines that feature hardware that enforces boundaries between the OS itself and user programs that run under the auspicies of the OS, but whereas those are usually programming errors in the operating system implementation, with systems lacking hardware ioslation mechanisms, it's a more fundamental limitation. John Levine posts here pretty frequently; he's mentioned getting versions of Unix running on the 8086 using only x86 segmentation for protection: the compiler didn't emit instructions to change the segmentation registers, so it reportedly worked pretty well. But of course, nothing prevented someone from side-stepping the compiler and inserting instructions that did so themselves. >It's more doable as an embedded system, where there is no "user" code, >and the individual tasks might be considered part of the OS. This is true. - Dan C.
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Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 06:12 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-30 07:07 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 08:13 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-30 13:11 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-30 14:25 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-30 07:40 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-30 17:02 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 21:35 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-31 22:31 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-01 10:44 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-04-01 10:47 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-01 13:57 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 21:34 +0000
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Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-01 22:56 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-04-01 21:44 -0400
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-01 21:35 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-30 15:25 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-30 07:42 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2026-04-01 11:43 +0000
Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-04-01 15:41 -0400
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-01 22:16 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-04-01 21:51 -0400
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-01 21:37 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-02 10:50 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-04-02 15:18 -0400
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-03 13:13 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-02 10:58 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-02 07:32 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the PDP-10 [was Re: Self-hosting and the 6502] cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-02 18:23 +0000
Re: virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-30 16:28 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-30 17:59 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 21:24 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-30 07:35 -0700
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-30 16:39 +0000
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-03-30 17:20 +0000
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 23:39 +0000
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-02 14:57 +0000
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 18:04 +0000
Re: emulation, virtualization, Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-02 18:45 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-03-30 18:03 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 21:23 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 23:05 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 07:57 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-30 22:19 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 00:18 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 22:04 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-30 17:07 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-31 03:34 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 03:54 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-31 05:01 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lev <thresh3@fastmail.com> - 2026-03-31 05:26 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-31 07:48 -0700
Re: machine simulation, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-31 18:06 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-31 18:23 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-31 13:04 -0700
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