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  Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-02 06:03 -0700
    Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-02 06:16 -0700
      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-06-02 09:50 -0400
        Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-03 06:16 -0700
      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-02 15:41 +0100
        Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-03 07:04 -0700
          Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-03 17:25 +0100
            Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-06-03 09:57 -0700
              Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-03 18:06 +0100
                Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-06-03 10:56 -0700
                  Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-03 19:37 +0100
                    Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-06-03 13:50 -0700
                      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-03 22:13 +0100
                        Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-06-03 15:40 -0700
            Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-04 05:23 -0700
    Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-02 15:36 +0100
      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-03 07:14 -0700
    Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-06-02 09:27 -0700
      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-03 07:17 -0700
    Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-02 15:10 -0400
      Re: Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-03 07:23 -0700

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#16809 — Absolutely am unable to get TB to display messages using the correct colors

I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.

I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
doesn't suffer from the issue.

TIA.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16810

John C. wrote:
> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
> 
> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
> doesn't suffer from the issue.
> 
> TIA.

Pretty sure it was the implementation of the "Supernova" interface with
version 115 (when they skipped several version number names after
102.15.1) that fucked everything up.

I guess the version I'll need to go back to is 102.15.1.

I am thoroughly unable to understand why the developers forced this
feature degradation on everybody.

Maybe they really want to shut down the use of TB and pissing off the
end users this way is how they're going about doing it.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16811

On 6/2/25 09:16 AM, John C. wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
>> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
>> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
>> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
>> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
>>
>> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
>> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
>> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
>> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
>> doesn't suffer from the issue.
>>
>> TIA.
> 
> Pretty sure it was the implementation of the "Supernova" interface with
> version 115 (when they skipped several version number names after
> 102.15.1) that fucked everything up.
> 
> I guess the version I'll need to go back to is 102.15.1.
> 
> I am thoroughly unable to understand why the developers forced this
> feature degradation on everybody.
> 
> Maybe they really want to shut down the use of TB and pissing off the
> end users this way is how they're going about doing it.
> 
It could always be that they don't really use it as much as they should, or your idea of 
proper display isn't something they look for.

I use a theme that makes the colors easy to read.  Not sure I'd say 'the way I want them' 
but then you never did explain your 'want', you just complained.   A screenshot would have 
told us a lot more.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8,  Kernel 6.8.0-60-generic
Thunderbird 128.10.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 139.0
     Alan K.

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#16829

On 25/06/02 06:50 AM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 6/2/25 09:16 AM, John C. wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
>>> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
>>> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
>>> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
>>> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
>>>
>>> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
>>> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
>>> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
>>> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
>>> doesn't suffer from the issue.
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>
>> Pretty sure it was the implementation of the "Supernova" interface with
>> version 115 (when they skipped several version number names after
>> 102.15.1) that fucked everything up.
>>
>> I guess the version I'll need to go back to is 102.15.1.
>>
>> I am thoroughly unable to understand why the developers forced this
>> feature degradation on everybody.
>>
>> Maybe they really want to shut down the use of TB and pissing off the
>> end users this way is how they're going about doing it.
>>
> It could always be that they don't really use it as much as they should,
> or your idea of proper display isn't something they look for.
> 
> I use a theme that makes the colors easy to read.  Not sure I'd say 'the
> way I want them' but then you never did explain your 'want', you just
> complained.   A screenshot would have told us a lot more.

Whenever I compose *or* whenever I view any email, it's mostly white
text on a black background.

Emails from people I know have their own color formatting and that's
lost. I'm unable to figure out a way to prevent that from happening.
Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know.

Currently, the theme I'm using is "System them - auto". I've tried other
themes, but none of them allow me any customization of what colors are
used for either viewing or composition.

As I said in the OP, this is a complete deal killer for me. I'll have to
go back to version 102.15.1 if I can't find a workaround.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16815

John C. wrote:

> Pretty sure it was the implementation of the "Supernova" interface with
> version 115 (when they skipped several version number names after
> 102.15.1) that fucked everything up.
Were you using a theme before?  Or maybe you had userChrome.css tweaks?

It's possible you've been switched from the "familiar" three-pane table 
view to the "modern" cards view.

It is possible to get current thunderbird looking almost identical to 
older versions with the right settings ...

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#16831

Andy Burns wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty sure it was the implementation of the "Supernova" interface with
>> version 115 (when they skipped several version number names after
>> 102.15.1) that fucked everything up.
> 
> Were you using a theme before?

AFAIK, it's impossible not to use a theme in TB, even if it's the
default one.

> Or maybe you had userChrome.css tweaks?

My only userChrome.css entry is:

/* Move Menu Bar above Unified Toolbar */
#toolbar-menubar { order: -1 !important; }

> It's possible you've been switched from the "familiar" three-pane table
> view to the "modern" cards view.

No, I'm using the Classic View layout.

> It is possible to get current thunderbird looking almost identical to
> older versions with the right settings ...

Not IME. Thanks for replying though, Andy.

-- 
John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy,
time-limited, trial or web wares for me please.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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#16835

John C. wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>>> I'm using the Classic View layout.
> 
>> It is possible to get current thunderbird looking almost identical to
>> older versions with the right settings ...
> 
> Not IME. Thanks for replying though, Andy.

I wasn't going to post a screenshot, because I know dark themes can be 
an acquired taste, but since you mentioned that you do use a dark theme, 
here's my Thunderbird v139

<http://andyburns.uk/misc/TB139.png>

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#16836

On 2025-06-03 9:25 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
> John C. wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> I'm using the Classic View layout.
>>
>>> It is possible to get current thunderbird looking almost identical to
>>> older versions with the right settings ...
>>
>> Not IME. Thanks for replying though, Andy.
> 
> I wasn't going to post a screenshot, because I know dark themes can be 
> an acquired taste, but since you mentioned that you do use a dark theme, 
> here's my Thunderbird v139
> 
> <http://andyburns.uk/misc/TB139.png>
> 

But John C.'s query (the way I read it) is for coloured text within an 
email message?

I'm able to compose email with Bright Script (Miss Scarlet actually) and 
send it to a throw-away address.  It turns up as a lady in red.

I can reply to that with added new shamrock green script back to my 
primary address... and the pretend leprechaun is displayed correctly by 
TB... as is the original blush.

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#16837

Nobody wrote:

> John C.'s query (the way I read it) is for coloured text within an 
> email message?
Do any *people* send coloured html email?  businesses may well do, but 
even if people send in html, I prefer to read it as plain text, in 
colours that I set, not them ... horses for courses.

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#16841

On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 18:06:06 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>
>> John C.'s query (the way I read it) is for coloured text within an 
>> email message?

>Do any *people* send coloured html email?  businesses may well do, but 
>even if people send in html, I prefer to read it as plain text, in 
>colours that I set, not them ... horses for courses.

Weeell... given the queries thrown out in this group, anything appears
(or in this case not) to happen!

In that trial mentioned above, here's what TB 139.0.1 with Win 11 24H2
displays for me:

<https://postimg.cc/K49pfHHh>

I'm a dogmatic, black/white person so...  I can't count to 50 so no
shades of grey.  <g>

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#16843

Nobody wrote:

> In that trial mentioned above, here's what TB 139.0.1 with Win 11 24H2
> displays for me:

I may have missed a chunk of this thread?

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#16844

On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 19:37:19 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>
>> In that trial mentioned above, here's what TB 139.0.1 with Win 11 24H2
>> displays for me:
>
>I may have missed a chunk of this thread?

Um, John C's original post at the top of the thread?

*****

I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
everything while attempting to get messages to display using the
colors other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get
my own messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display
using the colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.

I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from
this problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did
this. At what point did this regression in functionality occur? The
problem is a complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a
version that doesn't suffer from the issue.

*****

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#16845

Nobody wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> Nobody wrote:
>>
>>> In that trial mentioned above, here's what TB 139.0.1 with Win 11 24H2
>>> displays for me:
>>
>> I may have missed a chunk of this thread?
> 
> Um, John C's original post at the top of the thread?
I wasn't sure what "trial" was being referred to ...

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#16846

On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 22:13:33 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>
>>>> In that trial mentioned above, here's what TB 139.0.1 with Win 11 24H2
>>>> displays for me:
>>>
>>> I may have missed a chunk of this thread?
>> 
>> Um, John C's original post at the top of the thread?
>I wasn't sure what "trial" was being referred to ...

My (word-described) trial of generating varying colours in an email...
later displayed in the postimg link.

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#16850

Andy Burns wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> I'm using the Classic View layout.
>>
>>> It is possible to get current thunderbird looking almost identical to
>>> older versions with the right settings ...
>>
>> Not IME. Thanks for replying though, Andy.
> 
> I wasn't going to post a screenshot, because I know dark themes can be
> an acquired taste, but since you mentioned that you do use a dark theme,
> here's my Thunderbird v139
> 
> <http://andyburns.uk/misc/TB139.png>

Yep, that's pretty much what my TB UI looks like.

-- 
John C.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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#16813

John C. wrote:

> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.

Under View > Message Body As
do you have original html, simple html, or plain text selected?

> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
> doesn't suffer from the issue.
If you have a backup of your Thunderbird profile from before the upgrade 
that would be safest, if not then take one now ... then reinstall 
whatever version you were running before

and start it with the "--allow-downgrade" flag ... that works for many 
people, but the larger the gap in old/new versions, the more chance 
there is it won't go well ... hence the backup.

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#16832

On 25/06/02 07:36 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> John C. wrote:
> 
>> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
>> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
>> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
>> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
>> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
> 
> Under View > Message Body As
> do you have original html, simple html, or plain text selected?

Original HTML.

>> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
>> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
>> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
>> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
>> doesn't suffer from the issue.
> 
> If you have a backup of your Thunderbird profile from before the upgrade
> that would be safest, if not then take one now ... then reinstall
> whatever version you were running before
> 
> and start it with the "--allow-downgrade" flag ... that works for many
> people, but the larger the gap in old/new versions, the more chance
> there is it won't go well ... hence the backup.

I always back up my TB profile. Daily.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16816

On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 06:03:13 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
>everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
>other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
>messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
>colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.

v139 fixed it for me (I had the same, or similar problem).

-- 
Croy

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#16833

croy wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> 
>> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
>> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
>> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
>> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
>> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
> 
> v139 fixed it for me (I had the same, or similar problem).

I've been running 139 and just updated to 139.0.1 this morning.

No change.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16819

On Mon, 6/2/2025 9:03 AM, John C. wrote:
> I'm using W10 Pro and TB version 138.0.2 (64-bit). I have tried
> everything while attempting to get messages to display using the colors
> other people intended for them to use. I also am unable to get my own
> messages in the "Sent" folder (or any other folder) to display using the
> colors I intended for them to use, both font and background.
> 
> I recently updated from an earlier version that didn't suffer from this
> problem and skipped over a few intermediate versions when I did this. At
> what point did this regression in functionality occur? The problem is a
> complete deal killer for me and I want to go back to a version that
> doesn't suffer from the issue.
> 
> TIA.
> 

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/nLV97bfp/TB13802.gif

At some point, users have to balance off "churn"
versus "utility".

And that usually means your Daily Driver version is
radically different than the chopware sitting in your VM :-)

I spent a few minutes playing the "is it in here,
is it in there" game, but my VM was about to tip over,
so I had to take my picture and get outta there.

   Paul

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