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| First post | 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000 |
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ThunderMail is coming soon James <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-21 20:20 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> - 2025-04-21 22:07 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-20 21:55 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-04-22 11:12 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 08:59 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 08:05 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 14:05 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 11:41 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 18:18 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-22 01:42 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 14:55 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-24 15:26 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:05 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:25 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 06:53 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 01:53 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 08:11 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:06 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:47 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 08:20 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:52 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 12:00 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> - 2025-04-25 07:33 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-24 22:47 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 22:09 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-21 19:53 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 06:31 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-05-28 18:26 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-28 18:58 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400
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| From | James <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000 |
| Subject | ThunderMail is coming soon |
| Message-ID | <vu3goq$34cae$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: <https://thundermail.com/>
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| From | Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vu3i9i$f2ek$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16381 |
> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from > competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your > messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and > it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads. And, how long will it take before that arises? Ed
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <npvfdlxk55.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #16382 |
On 2025-04-20 21:35, Ed Cryer wrote: > >> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s >> email service from >> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your >> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. >> > > Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to > some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads. > And, how long will it take before that arises? I believe thundermail is not gratis. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vu5qqv$2iv18$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16382 |
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote: > >> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from >> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your >> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. >> > > Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to > some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads. > And, how long will it take before that arises? Rather than be cynical, why not give it chance? God knows we need some trustworthy alternatives in this space. Have mozilla sold out their users before?
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| From | D <J@M> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fbb12a9623d7c226529ed5dca5b09311@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #16397 |
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 16:13:19 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: snip > >Rather than be cynical, why not give it chance? God knows we need some >trustworthy alternatives in this space. Have mozilla sold out their users >before? the op expects email addresses and is making boastful claims about something that does not currently exist--nor could such bluster be independently tested and verified even if it did . . . also the op is gratuitously cross-posting his/her/their/its advertising scheme for no reasonable cause (spamming) and other red flags add to this . . . (using Tor Browser 14.5) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mozilla+advocacy+shut+down
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| From | Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 22:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <417b6e04-8d7a-46fe-a687-5c6b7e35dd9a@news.betterbird.eu> |
| In reply to | #16397 |
On 21 Apr 2025 18:13, Chris wrote: > Rather than be cynical, why not give it chance? Sure. > God knows we need some > trustworthy alternatives in this space. Have mozilla sold out their users > before? Yes, sadly so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMALm1VthGY https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robot-arg-plugin-firefox-looking-glass -- Viele Grüße, Jörg Sent with Betterbird. Simply better. www.betterbird.eu - www.betterbird.eu/#featuretable Es ist immer wieder erstaunlich: Kaum macht man's richtig, schon funktioniert's!
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| From | D <J@M> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 21:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0867b4b42ff79794d1c4079b4cee390f@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #16381 |
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 19:15:00 +0000, James <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, >eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience >similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new >Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using >your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). >there's at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla's email service from >competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn't going to use your >messages to train AI, it's not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >it's not going to harvest and sell your data. >You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: ><https://thundermail.com/> "waiting list" . . . maybe they want your email address? (using Tor Browser 14.5) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whois+thundermail.com&ia=whois >thundermail.com >Registered to admin >Email cio@3v.net >Last Updated Oct 05, 2024 >Expires On Oct 16, 2025 >Registrar gabia >Name Servers ns1.afternic.com ns2.afternic.com [end quoted plain text] see also: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=thundermail.com+domain+for+sale https://duckduckgo.com/?q=private+by+design+llc https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fishing+nets
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| From | kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vu3inm$uts$4@ereborbbs.duckdns.org> |
| In reply to | #16381 |
On 4/20/25 21:15, James wrote: > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > > there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from > competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your > messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and > it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > > <https://thundermail.com/> > ... until they decide they can monetize it better by adding AI. actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8vqnq3uj268u$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #16385 |
kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote: > James wrote: > >> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, >> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience >> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new >> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using >> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). >> >> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from >> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your >> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. Read the blog below regarding Assist AI. >> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: >> >> <https://thundermail.com/> >> > > ... until they decide they can monetize it better by adding AI. https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/ Thunderbird Assist Assist is an experiment, developed in partnership with Flower AI, a flexible open-source framework for scalable, privacy-preserving federated learning, that will enable users to take advantage of AI features. Luckily, and if the blog is correct, users can disable the AI locally in the Thunderbird Pro client, or up on the mail server for " devices that are not powerful enough to run the language models locally". > actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail? Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m6mbpiFsvtqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16387 |
VanguardLH wrote: > kyonshi wrote: > >> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail? > > Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog. Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs? I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it serve a purpose today to keep them separate?
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fnx0fxvz58mh.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #16390 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > VanguardLH wrote: > >> kyonshi wrote: >> >>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail? >> >> Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog. > > Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs? > > I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it > serve a purpose today to keep them separate? Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to. Saying it was your foot that kicked me, and not you, makes no difference to my butt. Organization hierarchy is of interest to managerial types, not to me. It's ALL Mozilla to me.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vu7p84$boso$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16403 |
On Mon, 4/21/2025 6:36 PM, VanguardLH wrote: > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > >> VanguardLH wrote: >> >>> kyonshi wrote: >>> >>>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail? >>> >>> Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog. >> >> Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs? >> >> I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it >> serve a purpose today to keep them separate? > > Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to. Saying it was your foot that kicked me, and not > you, makes no difference to my butt. Organization hierarchy is of > interest to managerial types, not to me. It's ALL Mozilla to me. > You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now. The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as part of the solution as well. If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why they're working on their own self-sustaining business opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome). They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and change their corporate structure and charter. It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model would never work. Paul
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <s86vv65bmdvh.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #16406 |
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now. > > The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at > Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ > remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as > part of the solution as well. > > If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why > they're working on their own self-sustaining business > opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure > is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome). > They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and > change their corporate structure and charter. > > It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities > as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model > would never work. Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their grip on online advertising. Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue that comes from Google. That's why all those services from Mozilla are unlikely to [remain to] be free. They won't be able to afford any further altruism. The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder. If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web browser into the future? Chromium is developed and maintained by Google. With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g., browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash reporting, etc. Chrome is oriented to a consumer market. Chromium is oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community. Ask your friends to see how many use Chromium. Chromium never shows up in browser market share statistics. If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team? Chromium has been a Google project from its inception. Google does the vast bulk of development on Chromium. The Chromium projects (Chromium and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google. Some of the other contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors, like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave. Of those, and after Google, Microsoft is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft Chrome? Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML). Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength anymore to continue the current level of development. Firefox might get more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker. If Google decouples from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker. No sponsors, no money. No money, no development. Programmers need to eat, too.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <vu86cu$mj7e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16409 |
On 22/04/2025 10:43 pm, VanguardLH wrote: > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > >> You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now. >> >> The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at >> Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ >> remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as >> part of the solution as well. >> >> If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why >> they're working on their own self-sustaining business >> opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure >> is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome). >> They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and >> change their corporate structure and charter. >> >> It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities >> as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model >> would never work. > > Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web > browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their > grip on online advertising. Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue > that comes from Google. That's why all those services from Mozilla are > unlikely to [remain to] be free. They won't be able to afford any > further altruism. The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder. > > If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium > dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web > browser into the future? Chromium is developed and maintained by > Google. With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group > of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium > doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g., > browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash > reporting, etc. Chrome is oriented to a consumer market. Chromium is > oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community. Ask your friends > to see how many use Chromium. Chromium never shows up in browser market > share statistics. > > If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team? > Chromium has been a Google project from its inception. Google does the > vast bulk of development on Chromium. The Chromium projects (Chromium > and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google. Some of the other > contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors, > like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave. Of those, and after Google, Microsoft > is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft > Chrome? Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium > variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML). > > Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength > anymore to continue the current level of development. Firefox might get > more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker. If Google decouples > from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with > all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker. No sponsors, no > money. No money, no development. Programmers need to eat, too. > Hmm!! Is anyone else sensing "Deja Vu"?? The above reminds me of what apparently happened when, was it, Netscape sliced off Mozilla to do its own development .... which led to Firefox/Thunderbird and SeaMonkey Suite?? -- Daniel70
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| From | Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 11:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vu8bl6$ldr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #16390 |
On 4/21/25 3:52 AM, Andy Burns wrote: > VanguardLH wrote: > >> kyonshi wrote: >> >>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail? >> >> Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog. > > Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs? > > I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it > serve a purpose today to keep them separate? Short history lesson.... Mozilla Corporation (i.e. the people who create Firefox) spun off Thunderbird to the community mid-2010s, and we (the community) formally organized the Thunderbird Council in 2014. Since 2020 the legal home is MZLA, a corporation under the Mozilla Foundation. There is no fiscal coupling to Mozilla Corporation whatsoever. And therefore also none to Google. In the intervening years and for the foreseeable future there has been, and is, no reason to want to go back to Mozilla Corporation. And such a decision wouldn't be up to the Corporation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird
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| From | Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vu3kg8$h5j0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16381 |
James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message: > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. From 3 weeks ago: <https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/planning/T437cd854afcb1395> > ... The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). Really? -- Remove numerics from my email address.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1qtcu2gjgv16u$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #16386 |
Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote: > James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message: > >> ... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. >> your.name@yourdomain.com). > > Really? https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/ "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of the service."
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| From | Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 08:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vu4tsk$1or80$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16389 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message: > Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote: > >> James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message: >> >>> ... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. >>> your.name@yourdomain.com). >> >> Really? > > https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/ > "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. > Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of > the service." (replying to a.c.s.thunderbird) I missed that because that post (and 'Thunderbird for Android March 2025 Progress Report') did not show up in my Planet Mozilla feed. The rest is more or less the same as Ryan Sipes' earlier piece. -- Remove numerics from my email address.
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 08:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vu5c92$25sga$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16391 |
On 4/21/2025 3:59 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
>> "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro.
>> Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>> the service."
>
> (replying to a.c.s.thunderbird)
>
> I missed that because that post (and 'Thunderbird for Android
> March 2025 Progress Report') did not show up in my Planet Mozilla
> feed. The rest is more or less the same as Ryan Sipes' earlier
> piece.
>
That's not such a big deal. You register the domain
yourself. This is just an offer to let you point the domain
name mx server at Mozilla. And the price hasn't been
announced yet. One can get webhosting with dozens of
dependable email accounts for cheap. I pay $12-13 for
a very dependable host. There are also cheaper options.
And webhosts generally also have webmail if people
want that.
TMail sounds fine. Undoubtedly it will be at least somewhat
less sleazy than GMail and 365. (They should have options
for TMail. Thundermail sounds ridiculous, like some kind of
Marvel Mailman character.)
Though it's missing the office
element that makes those other two compelling. College
students are being forced into one or the other, acclimated
early to the Google or MS "silo", as Tim Berners-Lee puts it.
College students are not going to be pushed into email and
calendars. That's not a product for them. So what are we
really talking about? Aside from minimal extras it's just an
email service.
And for now it's mostly
just talk -- an "alpha" product with no details or pricing. From
a company that's been increasingly seling out. They claim no
ads or spying, yet FF is dabbling in ads. I currently block
Mozilla domains in HOSTS, just as I block Google, and for
the same reason: They call home without asking.
I have two ISP email addresses and about 8 with my
webhost. All of those also allow me to delete email from
the server after downloading it. TBird is offering nothing
of value, and nothing notable in terms of privacy, once
you figure in that it will cost money.
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| From | Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 14:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vu5frn$298tj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16394 |
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> Wrote in message: > [snip] > > ... Thundermail sounds ridiculous, like some kind of > Marvel Mailman character. Absolutely agree. And it's too long. TMail would be OK, probably unavailable though. MozillaMail would be good - if Mozilla will let them use it. These 'values' that Thundermail is supposed to be promoting are presumably Mozilla's values too. And Mozilla can ensure that Thunderbird keep to them. Or maybe MZMail. > [snip] -- Remove numerics from my email address.
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