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Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted

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Subject Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted
Date Fri, 6 Jun 2025 13:01:40 +0100
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On 06/06/2025 12:49, Paul wrote:

> In the case of E-S, some of the details have changed over time. At one
> time, E-S was using short-holding-time connections. Thunderbird opens
> new connections when it finds the old connection closed. There was some
> chatter recently, about E-S using long-holding-time connections (like
> in the old days). One reason this can be done, is if the user population
> using the server is small enough, there is no longer a reason to
> conserve server resources.
> 
> Whether changes like this affect Thunderbird, I don't know. It should not
> have an effect. But who knows.


The patch for the bug I reported is indeed in the code that determines 
whether it has a valid nntp session.

as part of testing v141.0a1, I've got a powershell script that keeps an 
eye on how many nntp sessions have been alive for how long, E-S and NIN 
do seem less likely to kick off idle sessions than Giganews, but I've 
lost access to that.



PS C:\> & netstat -bin | select-string ':119' -context 0,1

 > TCP    192.168.1.19:38254     135.181.20.170:119     ESTABLISHED 
   3099795
    [thunderbird.exe]
 > TCP    192.168.1.19:38255     135.181.20.170:119     ESTABLISHED 
   3099794
    [thunderbird.exe]
 > TCP    192.168.1.19:38274     130.133.4.11:119       ESTABLISHED 
   3080649
    [thunderbird.exe]
 > TCP    192.168.1.19:38275     130.133.4.11:119       ESTABLISHED 
   3080634
    [thunderbird.exe]

  > If something freezes on a PC, there is no particular reason any debug
> tool can make progress on that. Things that continue to run, and throw
> errors, or have behaviors, those are things we might be able to debug.
> There could be a task deadlock in TB. and maybe it is only certain
> versions that suffer from it.
You could see the client and server having a small war, one got a 
response it didn't like so made a new connection, but then immediately 
dropped it, rinse and repeat.

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Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 13:22 +0100
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted D <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> - 2025-06-05 08:53 -0400
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-05 11:32 -0400
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-05 17:24 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-05 17:49 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-05 18:50 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 21:08 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 21:12 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-06 00:48 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2025-06-06 11:27 +0200
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-06 07:49 -0400
            Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-06 13:01 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-06-06 14:33 +0100
          Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-09 15:09 +0100
            Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-09 16:46 +0100
            Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2025-06-11 16:32 +0200
              Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-12 19:47 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-15 18:03 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-15 18:11 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-18 16:43 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-15 21:24 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-18 16:50 +0100
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-05 17:44 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 21:11 +0100

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