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  Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Zo <homenet@newsbill.net> - 2025-04-12 14:25 -0400
    Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-12 14:59 -0400
      Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 08:32 -0700
        Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-13 12:16 -0400
          Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-13 12:20 -0400
          Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 13:24 -0700
            Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-13 23:19 +0200
              Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 18:58 -0700
            Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-13 20:21 -0400
              Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-14 03:08 +0200
                Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-14 07:40 -0400
                Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 08:13 -0700
        Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-13 17:24 +0000
      Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-13 17:20 +0000
        Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-13 19:58 +0200
          Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-14 17:51 +0000
        Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-13 20:22 -0400
    Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-13 17:18 +0000
      Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-13 23:56 -0500
        Re: Update 137 Breaks CSS File: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-14 06:46 -0400

#13049 — Update 137 Breaks CSS File:

The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.

This CSS file update fixed that problem for me:

https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/blob/master/chrome/tabs_on_bottom_v2.css#L1

-- 
Zo

'That seems to point up a significant difference between Europeans
 and Americans. A European says: "I can't understand this,
 what's wrong with me?" An American says: "I can't understand
 this, what's wrong with him?"' -- Terry Pratchett

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#13050

On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:
> The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.
> 
> This CSS file update fixed that problem for me:
> 
> https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/blob/master/chrome/tabs_on_bottom_v2.css#L1 
> 

   I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't
seem to be possible anymore.)


  /* put tab bars under toolbar */

:root {

    --tab-min-height_tnot: 32px;
    --tab_below_navigation_toolbar_bottom_padding: calc( 
var(--tab-min-height_tnot) + 5px );
    --tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
  }


#TabsToolbar {
    position: absolute;
    display: block;
    bottom: 0px;
    width: 100%;
    background-clip: padding-box;
    color: var(--toolbar-color);
    z-index: 2;
}

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#13053

On 4/12/25 11:59 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:
>> The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.
>> 
>> This CSS file update fixed that problem for me:
>> 
>> https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/blob/master/chrome/tabs_on_bottom_v2.css#L1 
>> 
> 
>     I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
> under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't
> seem to be possible anymore.)

Just curious about your dislike. I have a 27" monitor, hate horizontal 
tabs and love vertical tabs.  I switch constantly among 20 or 30 
websites (as well as switching among browsers based on capability) and 
can't understand how people can NOT live like that.
>    /* put tab bars under toolbar */
> 
> :root {
> 
>      --tab-min-height_tnot: 32px;
>      --tab_below_navigation_toolbar_bottom_padding: calc(
> var(--tab-min-height_tnot) + 5px );
>      --tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
>    }
> 
> 
> #TabsToolbar {
>      position: absolute;
>      display: block;
>      bottom: 0px;
>      width: 100%;
>      background-clip: padding-box;
>      color: var(--toolbar-color);
>      z-index: 2;
> }

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
    Find one of those people and take advantage of him."       --Rat

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#13054

On 4/13/2025 11:32 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> Just curious about your dislike. I have a 27" monitor, hate horizontal 
> tabs and love vertical tabs.  I switch constantly among 20 or 30 
> websites (as well as switching among browsers based on capability) and 
> can't understand how people can NOT live like that.

   I also have a 27" monitor, though I maintain browser
windows at maybe 1000px wide. I access the Desktop a lot
and usually have multiple windows arranged on it, but not
covering it.

   In general I only keep browser windows open as needed.
I like to have them lined up along the taskbar where I can
see what's what. In rare cases I might have 20 total windows
open, of different types, but typically it's 1-3 windows.

    Having tabs confuses things because then I have two
ways to enumerate, open and close browser windows. If
I'm not  careful I might close 3 windows when I meant to
only close one.

    I use Notepad in the same way. Each Notepad window
open is a separate file or text blurb, which I close when I'm
done with it. I wouldn't want tabs for Notepad.

   For me it's similar to the problem of pinning. Once a "badge"
or icon on the taskbar represents both the program and open
instances, things get confused.

    The only case where an MDI (multiple doc. interface)
UI is appropriate is where all open files are related, such as
a coding or graphic editor. Even then it's best if an MDI window
works both ways. For instance, each project I work on in
Visual Studio or Paint Shop Pro has multiple files, but if I start
a second project, that has its own parent window.

   I've seen people here describe having a browser open with
50-100 tabs and never closing them, implying that their computer
activity is comprised of pretty much a set, repetitive routine.
That's a very different way of using a computer. As I write this,
the only program I have open is TBird. If I decide to visit a website,
I'll close TBird. If I then decide to work on editing an image I'll
probably close the browser windows, unless I'm doing something
online related to the editing, such as looking for usable images.

(There's also a privacy/security angle. Keeping browser windows
open keeps session variables, such as script that I'm allowing
only temporarily on one site. It can also lead to periodic reloading
if people don't block that. I don't want to maintain connections
with websites. I certainly don't want to stay logged into a site
that I'm done with.)

   Maybe a workshop would also be a serviceable analogy. I keep
all my tools and materials where I can find them. I know the rivet
gun is here, drywall screws there, wirenuts in the other place. I have
fir plywood separate from MDF, which is separate from hardwood
plywood for finish work.
   When I get working I may end up with buckets of things that I need
for the task at hand, and cluttler on the workbench. But then I clean
that up when I'm done. The only scenario where it would make
sense to leave it all out would be where I always use the shop
for the same task. For instance, if I worked on a furniture assembly
line then probably I'd want the exact same tools and supplies ready
to go every time I went to work. Similarly, that's the only way that
I can see the sense of keeping windows open: people who always
do the exact same activities on their computer, and especially people
who do it for work. For those people, opening a browser might actually
get to seem tedious. I never find it tedious to click the Firefox icon.
And I don't use any software that takes time to open. Even the
crazy-bloated FF opens pretty much instantly on my current computer.

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#13055

A PS to that post:

   Not only do I wish I could remove tabs, which used to
be feasible, but I've also user userChrome to remove
the options as much as possible. If I right-click a link
in FF I see Open in New Window. I've removed Open
in New Tab. That allows me, without confusing tabs and
windows, to open each page I visit in a new browser
window.

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#13063

On 4/13/25 9:16 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/13/2025 11:32 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> Just curious about your dislike. I have a 27" monitor, hate horizontal 
>> tabs and love vertical tabs.  I switch constantly among 20 or 30 
>> websites (as well as switching among browsers based on capability) and 
>> can't understand how people can NOT live like that.

Son has good eyes and a 50" monitor.  He does a lot of real programming 
and has the thing covered with windows.  He and hubby tried to force a 
larger monitor on me.  Nice, but I don't want to have to turn my had 
like I'm watching a tennis game.  27" is fine.

>     I also have a 27" monitor, though I maintain browser
> windows at maybe 1000px wide. I access the Desktop a lot
> and usually have multiple windows arranged on it, but not
> covering it.
> 
>     In general I only keep browser windows open as needed.
> I like to have them lined up along the taskbar where I can
> see what's what. In rare cases I might have 20 total windows
> open, of different types, but typically it's 1-3 windows.

I see.  You use individual windows instead of tabs.

>      Having tabs confuses things because then I have two
> ways to enumerate, open and close browser windows. If
> I'm not  careful I might close 3 windows when I meant to
> only close one.
> 
>      I use Notepad in the same way. Each Notepad window
> open is a separate file or text blurb, which I close when I'm
> done with it. I wouldn't want tabs for Notepad.

I use an xterm with a simple text editor for that. I usually have 
several open at one time to run different commands using different font 
sizes and capabilities.

For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which), 
but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped 
working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.  Every once in a 
while I need a graphic file manager or text editor to remove illegal 
characters from files/filenames and I'll even remember its name in a few 
minutes.  Maybe.

MIDNIGHT COMMANDER (mc), and now I have to remember how to use it...

>     For me it's similar to the problem of pinning. Once a "badge"
> or icon on the taskbar represents both the program and open
> instances, things get confused.

I've never seen anything useful about pinning.  What it SHOULD do is 
leave it like it was but not permit you to close/delete it without 
jumping through an extra hoop.  What it seems to do is just hide it so 
you can't find it :-(

I wonder if this is a windows x linux thing...

>      The only case where an MDI (multiple doc. interface)
> UI is appropriate is where all open files are related, such as
> a coding or graphic editor. Even then it's best if an MDI window
> works both ways. For instance, each project I work on in
> Visual Studio or Paint Shop Pro has multiple files, but if I start
> a second project, that has its own parent window.
> 
>     I've seen people here describe having a browser open with
> 50-100 tabs and never closing them, implying that their computer
> activity is comprised of pretty much a set, repetitive routine.
> That's a very different way of using a computer. As I write this,
> the only program I have open is TBird. If I decide to visit a website,
> I'll close TBird. If I then decide to work on editing an image I'll
> probably close the browser windows, unless I'm doing something
> online related to the editing, such as looking for usable images.

Takes too long to open/close programs, especially when there's no need.
We built my computer in 2011 from near=state-of-the-art components, but 
I would probably be happier with something newer and faster, except for 
the fact that I'd have to put a whole new system on it and spend the 
next 30 years configuring it to my satisfaction.

  I have four 'screens', arranged 2x2, full-screen. Accessible my moving 
mouse to the appropriate edge of the monitor. TB in one, FF in another, 
Chrome in a third and the fourth for something else, possibly Picasa.  I 
can put an xterm anywhere I want.  Same with rarely-used programs. 
Whatever program I'm using stays on top as long as my mouse is in its 
window, thereby minimizing clicking. Only problem is making sure that 
there's a hunk of window sticking out so I can mouse to it.  I am 
NOTHING if not lazy.

> (There's also a privacy/security angle. Keeping browser windows
> open keeps session variables, such as script that I'm allowing
> only temporarily on one site. It can also lead to periodic reloading
> if people don't block that. I don't want to maintain connections
> with websites. I certainly don't want to stay logged into a site
> that I'm done with.)

Anybody who wants to watch what I'm doing in the hope of profit will be 
sadly mistaken.

>     Maybe a workshop would also be a serviceable analogy. I keep
> all my tools and materials where I can find them. I know the rivet
> gun is here, drywall screws there, wirenuts in the other place. I have
> fir plywood separate from MDF, which is separate from hardwood
> plywood for finish work.

I want every tool I have visible all the time;  I hate trying to 
remember which drawer I put something in, and I WORSE hate trying to 
figure out what drawer some other asshole put something in. And I want 
it described in words as well as a tiny multi-colored blob which only 
becomes recognizable if I haul out my 8x magnifying glass.

>     When I get working I may end up with buckets of things that I need
> for the task at hand, and cluttler on the workbench. But then I clean
> that up when I'm done. The only scenario where it would make
> sense to leave it all out would be where I always use the shop
> for the same task. For instance, if I worked on a furniture assembly
> line then probably I'd want the exact same tools and supplies ready
> to go every time I went to work. Similarly, that's the only way that
> I can see the sense of keeping windows open: people who always
> do the exact same activities on their computer, and especially people
> who do it for work. For those people, opening a browser might actually
> get to seem tedious. I never find it tedious to click the Firefox icon.
> And I don't use any software that takes time to open. Even the
> crazy-bloated FF opens pretty much instantly on my current computer.

"Some people like one thing, some like another."  -- John STeinbeck


-- 
Cheers, Bev
  " While in high school, we were encouraged to keep a daily journal.
   I never liked it, especially when early on I realized that anybody
   could find it and read it.  Fortunately, the jury never saw it."
                                   --  Anonymous, for obvious reasons

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#13064

The Real Bev wrote:
[..snip..]

> We built my computer in 2011 from near=state-of-the-art components, but 
> I would probably be happier with something newer and faster, except for 
> the fact that I'd have to put a whole new system on it and spend the 
> next 30 years configuring it to my satisfaction.

With Linux it's easy to clone a whole system (including all personal
configuration) from one PC to another.
Especially if the new PC has a bigger HDD or SSD than the old one.
BTDT sometimes and prefer 'clonezilla' for that.

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#13070

On 4/13/25 2:19 PM, Frank Miller wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> [..snip..]
> 
>> We built my computer in 2011 from near=state-of-the-art components, but 
>> I would probably be happier with something newer and faster, except for 
>> the fact that I'd have to put a whole new system on it and spend the 
>> next 30 years configuring it to my satisfaction.
> 
> With Linux it's easy to clone a whole system (including all personal
> configuration) from one PC to another.
> Especially if the new PC has a bigger HDD or SSD than the old one.
> BTDT sometimes and prefer 'clonezilla' for that.

Cloning isn't the problem;  I've got four bootable backups on a separate 
drive in the machine, which I could just put in a new machine.

The problem is that I'm running slackware 14.0.  Hubby spent over a day 
trying to update to 14.x and more later with 15, but it just wouldn't. 
He thinks a big problem may be the multilib which is absolutely 
essential to run Picasa, which is essential for the quick and dirty 
photo editing I want to do -- one important part of which is the ability 
to automatically resize a photo to a maximum dimension of 1600 pixels, 
required for free google photos storage.  I don't want to have to do 
this by hand and didn't see an option like that in the few 
highly-recommended photo editing programs that I could actually install 
due to the ancient OS.  I can't install the best ones, whatever they are.

Basically I'm stuck in a corner in the middle of a shitstorm :-(

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
    Find one of those people and take advantage of him."       --Rat

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#13067

On 4/13/2025 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> Son has good eyes and a 50" monitor.  He does a lot of real programming 
> and has the thing covered with windows.  He and hubby tried to force a 
> larger monitor on me.  Nice, but I don't want to have to turn my had 
> like I'm watching a tennis game.  27" is fine.
> 

I feel that way with 27", too. It allows for things to be big
at high resolution, but it really is head-turning if I use
full windows.


>>      I use Notepad in the same way. Each Notepad window
>> open is a separate file or text blurb, which I close when I'm
>> done with it. I wouldn't want tabs for Notepad.
> 
> I use an xterm with a simple text editor for that. I usually have 
> several open at one time to run different commands using different font 
> sizes and capabilities.
> 
    I'm not coding or running commands. For me Notepad is
just like the name. A simple. lightweight editor for storing
and saving text. I use it so much that I decided to write
my own replacement. It does spellcheck, better find/replace,
and it handles RTF.  But it's mostly just a slightly improved
Notepad.


> For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which), 
> but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped 
> working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.  Every once in a 
> while I need a graphic file manager or text editor to remove illegal 
> characters from files/filenames and I'll even remember its name in a few 
> minutes.  Maybe.
> 
     I didn't realize that you were on Linux. A Redcoat
in the barracks!

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#13069

Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/13/2025 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
[..snip..]
>> For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which), 
>> but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped 
>> working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.
[..snip..]
>      I didn't realize that you were on Linux. A Redcoat
> in the barracks!

Get used to it. Microsoft is pushing more and more private users away.
BTDT and switched 15 years ago.

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#13078

On 4/13/2025 9:08 PM, Frank Miller wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/13/2025 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> [..snip..]
>>> For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which),
>>> but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped
>>> working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.
> [..snip..]
>>       I didn't realize that you were on Linux. A Redcoat
>> in the barracks!
> 
> Get used to it. Microsoft is pushing more and more private users away.
> BTDT and switched 15 years ago.
> 

   I don't know what BTDT means. I gather you're saying
that you haven't used Windows for 15 years.

     I've wondered myself whether I might have to switch.
But I was pleasantly surprised to discover that with some
work, Win10/11 could be quite civilized. I often forget that
I'm no longer on XP. And all of my software still works. My
own VB6 software is also fine. VS6 came out 27 years ago,
and it's still supported on all Windows versions. I've blocked
updates. I installed a firewall. I managed to shut up ALL of
the endless "notification" harassment. I shut down most of
the wasteful crap like Search, removed nearly all apps + Edge...
Nice.

    While I was shocked to see news, gossip, ads and general
nonsense infesting the Win11 Desktop, that cleaned up almost
as easily as Win10. I gave up on getting even security updates
to work on my tweaked systems, but that's OK. I don't generally
allow updates, anyway. And nearly all MS Windows updates are
for broken MS software that I don't use. (Remote Desktop?
MS Office? Certainly not.)

    With Linux, it gets more locked down but at the same time
is essentially designed for Linux experts using console programs.
It's fine if people are using GMail and a browser. One can do
that on a Mac or a Chrome tablet. Many people now do it on
a cellphone. They never needed a computer in the first place.

   Linux as a full replacement for Windows? That doesn't really
work except in thos limited scenarios. Software is sorely lacking
on Linux. Backward compatibility is absent. The religiosity
is an obstacle. And as someone who has intimate knowledge
of Windows, writing software on Windows, and actually using
it to do stuff, Linux is a cold shower of broken functionality...
Like buying a new car and discovering a box of parts in the
trunk that still need to be installed.

   Simply installing software is a nightmare, with indecipherable
package managers in the way and many programs having to be
hacked into the system by hand. Even then, the myriad versions
of Linux create a complicated landscape.

    It took me two days
to get opensnitch firewall installed on Suse15. It's not
a "default app". Though that's progress. For 25 years there were
no usable firewall options. At least opensnitch sort of works.
How do Linux devotees justify such madness? They tell me that
I shouldn't be trying to install non-default programs. It makes
Linux look bad.

   I try Linux every few years, with some very basic demands,
such as being able to get a good firewall and not have to ever
use commandline. It's still a long way from meeting those basic
requirements. Yet at the same time it's getting increasingly
locked down, forcing me to use passwords, insisting that I'm
an employee at a corporate workstation and must operate with
lackey mode file restrictions. (Opensnitch could only be installed
as root, but then I had to reboot into lackey user before opening
the program, or it wouldn't work... Of course, why didn't I know
that? :)

   I suppose that the real issues are actually much bigger. How long
will we use computers in the ways that we do now? Will the
Internet eventually be regulated or reduced to commercial "apps"?
Things are changing fast. Restrictions are going into place, mostly
in the name of security. The open quality of HTML is being replaced
with corporate software, using obfuscated, executable code. For
the average person to have a website is increasingly challenging.
For many people, social media gossip IS the Internet.

   I use a Raspberry Pi to stream movies. For me that's a good use
of Linux. Awhile back I had to install a newer version of Raspbian OS
because it couldn't update Chromium and the old version no longer
worked with streaming. So, not a solution for the average person,
even for the simple job of streaming Netflix. But it does what I need,
and the computer is the size of a deck of cards, which is nice. But I
can't use Linux regularly. And I doubt it will ever be a "power user"
system. It's for sysadmins for running serverside or for custom kiosk
type systems like Android.

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#13096

On 4/13/25 6:08 PM, Frank Miller wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/13/2025 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> [..snip..]
>>> For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which), 
>>> but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped 
>>> working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.
> [..snip..]
>>      I didn't realize that you were on Linux. A Redcoat
>> in the barracks!
> 
> Get used to it. Microsoft is pushing more and more private users away.
> BTDT and switched 15 years ago.

I rarely have the kind of problems that windows users frequently report. 
  I do have weird things that NOBODY ever reports, and I attribute this 
to some mysterious machine/memory/CPU/OS defect rather than problems 
with Firefox etc.

Exceotion:  the crap the Firefox has dumped on us over the decades. 
There were BIG improvements, and then a long decline which seems to have 
stabilized since the 3-digit releases.  I'm running the beta with a 
slightly-modified-as-necessary FF82 profile and haven't lost anything 
recently -- that I noticed.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
    Olympics:  even if you win, you're still retarded."

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#13060

On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 08:32:19 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

[snip]

> Just curious about your dislike. I have a 27" monitor, hate horizontal
> tabs and love vertical tabs.  I switch constantly among 20 or 30
> websites (as well as switching among browsers based on capability) and
> can't understand how people can NOT live like that.

I might want vertical tabs, so I tried it. However, what the FF option 
produces is a vertical bar containing HORIZONTAL tabs.

[snip]

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The unnatural, that too is natural." [Goethe]

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#13059

On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:59:21 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:

> On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:

[snip]

>    I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
> under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't seem to be
> possible anymore.)

Do you not use tabs? If you do, how do you change from one tab to another?

[snip]

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The unnatural, that too is natural." [Goethe]

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#13061

Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:59:21 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>    I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
>> under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't seem to be
>> possible anymore.)
> 
> Do you not use tabs? If you do, how do you change from one tab to another?

Ctrl+Tab

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#13080

On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 19:58:19 +0200, Frank Miller wrote:

> Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:59:21 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>>>    I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
>>> under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't seem to be
>>> possible anymore.)
>> 
>> Do you not use tabs? If you do, how do you change from one tab to
>> another?
> 
> Ctrl+Tab

OK.

BTW, In case anyone got confused, what I wrote previously was ONLY a 
question.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin

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#13068

On 4/13/2025 1:20 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:59:21 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> On 4/12/2025 2:25 PM, Zo wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>     I'm running 115 and already had to add CSS to put tabs
>> under toolbars. (I prefer no tabs at all, but that doesn't seem to be
>> possible anymore.)
> 
> Do you not use tabs? If you do, how do you change from one tab to another?
> 

   I never use them. As I said above, I'd like to remove
them, but FF no longer allows that. The Mozillians know
what's best for us.

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#13058

On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:25:20 -0400, Zo wrote:

> The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.

Where I consider them to belong, since the contents of the address bar 
describes what's on the tab.

> This CSS file update fixed that problem for me:
> 
> https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/blob/master/chrome/
tabs_on_bottom_v2.css#L1

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The unnatural, that too is natural." [Goethe]

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#13072

On 13 Apr 2025 17:18:25 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:25:20 -0400, Zo wrote:
>
>> The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.
>
>Where I consider them to belong, since the contents of the address bar 
>describes what's on the tab.

You're surely not the only person to think that way, but to me it's hard
to come up with something that is less intuitive. The only position that
makes sense to me is to have the tabs located in a horizontal line
immediately above the main window. Anywhere else is pure madness.

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#13076

On 4/14/2025 12:56 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2025 17:18:25 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 14:25:20 -0400, Zo wrote:
>>
>>> The latest Firefox Update 137 put my tabs above the address bar.
>>
>> Where I consider them to belong, since the contents of the address bar
>> describes what's on the tab.
> 
> You're surely not the only person to think that way, but to me it's hard
> to come up with something that is less intuitive. The only position that
> makes sense to me is to have the tabs located in a horizontal line
> immediately above the main window. Anywhere else is pure madness.
> 
Fully agree.   Having tabs any where but above the main window, is like 
a picture hanging in a gallery with the label with the picture title and 
artist on the opposite wall.

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