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On 4/13/25 9:16 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/13/2025 11:32 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> Just curious about your dislike. I have a 27" monitor, hate horizontal 
>> tabs and love vertical tabs.  I switch constantly among 20 or 30 
>> websites (as well as switching among browsers based on capability) and 
>> can't understand how people can NOT live like that.

Son has good eyes and a 50" monitor.  He does a lot of real programming 
and has the thing covered with windows.  He and hubby tried to force a 
larger monitor on me.  Nice, but I don't want to have to turn my had 
like I'm watching a tennis game.  27" is fine.

>     I also have a 27" monitor, though I maintain browser
> windows at maybe 1000px wide. I access the Desktop a lot
> and usually have multiple windows arranged on it, but not
> covering it.
> 
>     In general I only keep browser windows open as needed.
> I like to have them lined up along the taskbar where I can
> see what's what. In rare cases I might have 20 total windows
> open, of different types, but typically it's 1-3 windows.

I see.  You use individual windows instead of tabs.

>      Having tabs confuses things because then I have two
> ways to enumerate, open and close browser windows. If
> I'm not  careful I might close 3 windows when I meant to
> only close one.
> 
>      I use Notepad in the same way. Each Notepad window
> open is a separate file or text blurb, which I close when I'm
> done with it. I wouldn't want tabs for Notepad.

I use an xterm with a simple text editor for that. I usually have 
several open at one time to run different commands using different font 
sizes and capabilities.

For a while I could use notepad (or wordpad, I can't remember which), 
but the thing that allows linux to run some windows programs stopped 
working and I didn't care enough to solve the problem.  Every once in a 
while I need a graphic file manager or text editor to remove illegal 
characters from files/filenames and I'll even remember its name in a few 
minutes.  Maybe.

MIDNIGHT COMMANDER (mc), and now I have to remember how to use it...

>     For me it's similar to the problem of pinning. Once a "badge"
> or icon on the taskbar represents both the program and open
> instances, things get confused.

I've never seen anything useful about pinning.  What it SHOULD do is 
leave it like it was but not permit you to close/delete it without 
jumping through an extra hoop.  What it seems to do is just hide it so 
you can't find it :-(

I wonder if this is a windows x linux thing...

>      The only case where an MDI (multiple doc. interface)
> UI is appropriate is where all open files are related, such as
> a coding or graphic editor. Even then it's best if an MDI window
> works both ways. For instance, each project I work on in
> Visual Studio or Paint Shop Pro has multiple files, but if I start
> a second project, that has its own parent window.
> 
>     I've seen people here describe having a browser open with
> 50-100 tabs and never closing them, implying that their computer
> activity is comprised of pretty much a set, repetitive routine.
> That's a very different way of using a computer. As I write this,
> the only program I have open is TBird. If I decide to visit a website,
> I'll close TBird. If I then decide to work on editing an image I'll
> probably close the browser windows, unless I'm doing something
> online related to the editing, such as looking for usable images.

Takes too long to open/close programs, especially when there's no need.
We built my computer in 2011 from near=state-of-the-art components, but 
I would probably be happier with something newer and faster, except for 
the fact that I'd have to put a whole new system on it and spend the 
next 30 years configuring it to my satisfaction.

  I have four 'screens', arranged 2x2, full-screen. Accessible my moving 
mouse to the appropriate edge of the monitor. TB in one, FF in another, 
Chrome in a third and the fourth for something else, possibly Picasa.  I 
can put an xterm anywhere I want.  Same with rarely-used programs. 
Whatever program I'm using stays on top as long as my mouse is in its 
window, thereby minimizing clicking. Only problem is making sure that 
there's a hunk of window sticking out so I can mouse to it.  I am 
NOTHING if not lazy.

> (There's also a privacy/security angle. Keeping browser windows
> open keeps session variables, such as script that I'm allowing
> only temporarily on one site. It can also lead to periodic reloading
> if people don't block that. I don't want to maintain connections
> with websites. I certainly don't want to stay logged into a site
> that I'm done with.)

Anybody who wants to watch what I'm doing in the hope of profit will be 
sadly mistaken.

>     Maybe a workshop would also be a serviceable analogy. I keep
> all my tools and materials where I can find them. I know the rivet
> gun is here, drywall screws there, wirenuts in the other place. I have
> fir plywood separate from MDF, which is separate from hardwood
> plywood for finish work.

I want every tool I have visible all the time;  I hate trying to 
remember which drawer I put something in, and I WORSE hate trying to 
figure out what drawer some other asshole put something in. And I want 
it described in words as well as a tiny multi-colored blob which only 
becomes recognizable if I haul out my 8x magnifying glass.

>     When I get working I may end up with buckets of things that I need
> for the task at hand, and cluttler on the workbench. But then I clean
> that up when I'm done. The only scenario where it would make
> sense to leave it all out would be where I always use the shop
> for the same task. For instance, if I worked on a furniture assembly
> line then probably I'd want the exact same tools and supplies ready
> to go every time I went to work. Similarly, that's the only way that
> I can see the sense of keeping windows open: people who always
> do the exact same activities on their computer, and especially people
> who do it for work. For those people, opening a browser might actually
> get to seem tedious. I never find it tedious to click the Firefox icon.
> And I don't use any software that takes time to open. Even the
> crazy-bloated FF opens pretty much instantly on my current computer.

"Some people like one thing, some like another."  -- John STeinbeck


-- 
Cheers, Bev
  " While in high school, we were encouraged to keep a daily journal.
   I never liked it, especially when early on I realized that anybody
   could find it and read it.  Fortunately, the jury never saw it."
                                   --  Anonymous, for obvious reasons

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