Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > alt.comp.software.firefox > #14485 > unrolled thread

Browse at the speed of thought

Back to article view | Back to alt.comp.software.firefox

Contents

  Browse at the speed of thought Jai Hind <jai.hind@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 00:54 +0000
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-08-13 21:46 -0400
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 20:21 -0700
        Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:53 +0200
        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-14 21:48 +1000
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 15:09 -0700
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-14 15:25 -0700
              Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 19:43 -0700
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-15 21:53 +1000
              Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 23:22 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 16:02 +0100
                  Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-16 18:44 -0400
                    mostly OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 14:41 +0100
                      Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:42 -0500
                        Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 18:50 +0100
                          Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 13:23 -0500
                            Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 19:44 +0100
                              Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 14:53 -0500
                                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-08-18 16:50 +0000
                                  Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 13:37 -0500
                          Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:23 -0400
                            Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 07:01 +0100
                              Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 09:08 -0500
                        Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 17:24 -0700
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2025-08-17 07:12 +0100
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 07:09 -0500
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-08-17 15:10 +0100
                          Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 23:21 -0700
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 08:55 +0100
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 06:48 -0400
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 12:00 +0100
                          Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:16 +0100
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:11 +1000
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:07 +0100
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:12 +1000
                  Re: Browse at the speed of thought AI User Here <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 00:58 +0000
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 21:07 -0700
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:23 +1000
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:57 +1000
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:49 +0100
                          Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:30 +1000
                            Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 12:54 +0100
                              Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:00 +1000
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:37 +0100
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:41 +1000
                          Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:02 +0100
                            Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:04 +0100
                              Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:22 +0100
                            Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:10 +1000
                              OT: driving licences (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 14:34 +0100
                                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 00:38 +1000
                                  Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-08-18 16:55 +0100
                    Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 03:42 -0400
                      Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:28 -0500
                        Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:54 -0400
                          Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-20 19:32 -0500
                            Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-21 03:06 -0400
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-16 10:05 -0700
                  Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-16 11:28 -0700
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-13 22:48 -0500
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 23:26 +0800
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-14 18:53 -0400
        Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:31 +0800
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:03 +0800

Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4  Next page →

#14532 — Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave

On Sun, 8/17/2025 1:50 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> sticks wrote:
> 
>> Gas pipe could even be said to be easier than copper pipe, since the typical black pipe job doesn't get soldered joints.
> 
> Probably a UK/USA difference, but domestic gas pipes have been almost exclusively copper here for decades ... yes you can still buy black iron pipe and fittings at real plumbers merchants, but not likely in DIY sheds.

My new furnace here (Canada) was a black pipe job. The tech had a thread cutter
in the trailer behind his truck, and was running it off my outdoor power outlet.
And making up short sections for his own idea of a "neat" job. The thread
cutter draws a fair bit of power.

We eventually ended up working all the way back to the meter. His assistant
wasn't with him, and I held some pipe (in basement) while he disassembled the
meter end (outdoor meter, not a smart type meter). The job still wasn't
leak-proofed in the end and really, all of the pipe needed to be taken apart.

But I prefer that to copper. The previous furnace had mostly black pipe,
and it had one section of copper leading to the furnace, and it took
three tries, two guys with a big spanner each, to get enough compressive
pressure to make it so the copper connection point did not leak.
Copper is a metal that "smears", it's like it makes its own grease,
when you want something to grip.

So of the two technologies, I now know that with the black pipe,
you can make it gas-tight with a modicum of effort. Whereas the
short section of copper, showed that copper as a gas pipe, is
just a disaster waiting to happen. And all of the people involved
in this case, install one or two furnaces per day. It's not like
they lack practice. The guy who did my latest furnace, he has
to "re-certify" every couple of years, and do an install in front
of some sort of inspector. That's where they receive feedback
on the "latest" issue. The latest issue being the need for tape
at some of the mount points, for fake galvanic protection. Dissimilar
metals needing some kind of tape being put between them. The piping
still has plenty of points where metal on metal straps are present,
so it's not like the entire thing is galvanically protected.

Now we're back to a black-pipe-only distribution, no more copper in there.
I'm happy with that part of it, at least.

And on a previous visit, there was a connection from ground added, to a
gas pipe. Hard to say, whether that has made things safer or less safe.

   Paul

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14536 — Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave

Paul wrote:

> The previous furnace had mostly black pipe,
> and it had one section of copper leading to the furnace, and it took
> three tries, two guys with a big spanner each, to get enough compressive
> pressure to make it so the copper connection point did not leak.

So solder it?

Gas mains in the street were replaced here last year (something like 3" 
plastic inserted inside the 1970s 4" cast iron). As built, the houses 
transitioned to black iron somewhere outside the front door, which then 
went under the solid concrete floors to the meter.  In the intervening 
years many front-porches and garages had been built over the transition 
point, they refused to leave my meter in the same location.

Some houses had ugly meter boxes fitted on (not within) external walls, 
others had yards and yards of external pipe snaked around their house 
also ugly).  I got them to dig* and divert the incoming pipe a couple of 
metres, so all that's visible is an external vertical riser about 18". 
The rest is 22mm soldered copper, neat enough and will get boxed inside 
a cupboard "soon".

[*] i knew there was concrete under the block paved drive, but they 
didn't ask, I suspect it was biting-off more than they expected!

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14550 — Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave

On 8/18/2025 1:01 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> 
>> The previous furnace had mostly black pipe,
>> and it had one section of copper leading to the furnace, and it took
>> three tries, two guys with a big spanner each, to get enough compressive
>> pressure to make it so the copper connection point did not leak.
> 
> So solder it?

Don't know about Canada, but not allowed in US.  You can use flare nuts, 
and in a few places compression.  The gas can react with copper and 
flake causing weakness at the soldered joints, or block valves which can 
be a disaster for obvious reasons.

In my house I have all black pipe, except brass valves with threaded 
joints.  At the water heater, the short length of pipe going to the 
burner gets switched to aluminum, which doesn't flake and plug the 
burner.  About every two years I gotta take that out and clean the flame 
sensor at the ignition point.

> Gas mains in the street were replaced here last year (something like 3" 
> plastic inserted inside the 1970s 4" cast iron). As built, the houses 
> transitioned to black iron somewhere outside the front door, which then 
> went under the solid concrete floors to the meter.  In the intervening 
> years many front-porches and garages had been built over the transition 
> point, they refused to leave my meter in the same location.
> 
> Some houses had ugly meter boxes fitted on (not within) external walls, 
> others had yards and yards of external pipe snaked around their house 
> also ugly).  I got them to dig* and divert the incoming pipe a couple of 
> metres, so all that's visible is an external vertical riser about 18". 
> The rest is 22mm soldered copper, neat enough and will get boxed inside 
> a cupboard "soon".

That surprises me.  Probably brazed with special solder.  Much higher 
heat in the process and hence stronger.

> 
> [*] i knew there was concrete under the block paved drive, but they 
> didn't ask, I suspect it was biting-off more than they expected!

Heh, been there.


-- 
Science doesn't support Darwin.  Scientists do.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14544 — Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave

On 2025/8/17 18:42:7, sticks wrote:
> On 8/17/2025 8:41 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> And don't even attempt to work on gas pipework unless
>> you're a qualified gas engineer.>
> 
> Nonsense.  I don't think you're fearmongering, but you simply don't know 

More protecting myself. In UK, work on gas or electric _has_ to be done
by someone qualified/registered, by law, whereas water doesn't (yet).
There are concessions: for electric, certain things are allowed, such as
the _replacement_ of some existing parts of the system (if you smash a
socket [most UK ones are at floor level] by running into it when
vacuuming, for example), but _new_ parts aren't advised. I'm not sure
what if any gas things are allowed. So when I said the above, I was
really just protecting myself against any claim that I was advising
law-breaking.

> what you're talking about here.  Gas pipe could even be said to be 
> easier than copper pipe, since the typical black pipe job doesn't get 
> soldered joints.  If you personally feel unqualified to cut pipe, 
> connect, and check for leaks, you should not be doing it.  If for peace 
> of mind alone.

(Never having worked on gas pipework, I'm not sure what "black pipe"
_is_. Cast iron? [I _think_ UK gas pipework, at least _inside_ homes,
tends to be copper or plastic. But ICBWAT.])>
> I certainly am not a "qualified gas engineer" and I have done gas pipe 
> jobs many times.  Most men, with a bare minimum of research and a few 
> specialty tools, can successfully do gas pipe and save a ton of money.
> 
> If you do have a professional do it, you should still check his work.
> 
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known
- Danny Baker

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14508

On 8/16/25 08:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/8/16 7:22:8, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 8/15/25 04:53, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 15/08/2025 8:09 am, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
> []
> 
>>>> Yeah, but are your kids as well-informed as you were at their age? Do 
>>>> they understand as much?  What do your parents say about you?
>>>>
>>> No kids, myself, just nieces and a nephew. And I don't think they are as
>>> well-informed .... but they know where to go ..... and it isn't to the
>>> Oxford English Dictionary or Encyclopaedia Britannica (or the equivalents)!!
> 
> And, the new methods _are_ very seductive. A recent discussion suggested
> (I think) that Germany was using the LW band in ways beyond just
> broadcasting - much as we do for power-load switching, but to a greater
> extent. I decided to try to find out, so googled for a bit - without
> much success; then I gave in and went to ChatGPT. I was able to
> determine that in fact Germany does not use the LW band for _anything_ -
> broadcast or otherwise. Yes, this assumes chatGPT knows (or can find)
> the answer - but in this case, I suspect it could do so at least as well
> as I could, and certainly considerably more quickly.
> 
> So I can see it rapidly becoming the go-to place to ask questions.>
>> You go to the OED for FUN, for chrissake!  BTW... William F. Buckley was 
> 
> I'm glad to find someone else for whom that is the case! (And my brother
> who works for it would be too, I think.) Though beware - such things
> aren't inviolate; moves to terminate the equivalent in Australia are at
> a dangerously advanced stage, possibly now unstoppably so.
> 
> []
> 
>>   Not the sort of word anyone even with a huge vocabulary (and mine is 
>> actually pretty large -- I've been tested!) would have.  Pure 
> 
> (Where do you get such a test?)

Sort of quoting from The Big Bang Theory.  Aced pretty much every test 
involving English (or French or Spanish later on) going through school. 
Seriously.  I am, however, abysmal at math.
>> coincidence, but telling...  I wish I could remember the word. Not that 
>> there's anything wrong in trolling the OED for obscure words...
>> 
> (-:The basic concern, though, that people increasingly don't know how to
> do certain things, is definitely valid; the one sometimes mentioned in
> UK is "know how to wire a plug" (fix the wires in a mains lead [US: line
> cord] into the bit that goes into the wall outlet). But also, the
> willingness to _find out_: I have a moderate amateur knowledge of
> plumbing - household pipework/taps/etc. - but I've found it out entirely
> myself, as necessary. I'm not boasting there - I only have practical
> experience of the more expensive methods involving olives, none of
> soldered connections; 

Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?

> I just give it as an example of the willingness to
> find out. So many others would call a plumber at an earlier stage. (You
> could of course just accuse me of miserliness, but that's beside the
> point, and not _entirely_ true: my inclination when encountering a
> problem is not "who do I get to fix this" but "how does one fix this".)

Hubby grew up dirt poor but smart.  If he wanted something he had to fix 
somebody else's broken cast-off.  I never learned about fixing stuff 
until I married him, and then I learned a LOT. We fixed everything 
ourselves.  We hired tree-trimmers to hack the ash tree back to a 
12-foot stump (every year, the damn thing never stops growing)and carry 
off the trimmings and a plumber to use the BIG snake to a serious clog 
(but we helped).  That's about it.

> In the computing or wider reference case, I fear - as some others in
> this discussion are fearing - that _reliance_ on AI could become
> dangerous. But I definitely see the temptation!

I can't resist the temptation.  Perplexity gives source footnotes, BTW. 
Do the others?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Politicians are stupid like cats are stupid.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14511

In article <107r7gb$1vo4e$1@dont-email.me>,
   The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
[Snippy]

> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?

Keeping it clean... :-)

In the context of plumbing... It's the brass ring (Like a wedding band)
inside a plumbing compression fitting that grips the pipe when the nut is
tightened.

You also need a little PTFE tape or sealing compound on the Olive
otherwise the joint will leak.

D.

Nb: I think in the USA it's called a "Ferrule"

D.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14516

On 8/17/2025 1:12 AM, Dnews wrote:
> In article <107r7gb$1vo4e$1@dont-email.me>,
>     The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> 
>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
> 
> Keeping it clean... :-)
> 
> In the context of plumbing... It's the brass ring (Like a wedding band)
> inside a plumbing compression fitting that grips the pipe when the nut is
> tightened.
> 
> You also need a little PTFE tape or sealing compound on the Olive
> otherwise the joint will leak.

Bad advice.  The tape is completely unnecessary on brass compression 
fittings.  Never use tape.  It is what can cause leaks.

You would use tape on some threaded connections, not those compression 
fittings using a ferrule.


-- 
Science doesn't support Darwin.  Scientists do.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14522

On 17/08/2025 at 13:09, sticks wrote:
> On 8/17/2025 1:12 AM, Dnews wrote:
>> In article <107r7gb$1vo4e$1@dont-email.me>,
>>     The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [Snippy]
>>
>>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
>>
>> Keeping it clean... :-)
>>
>> In the context of plumbing... It's the brass ring (Like a wedding band)
>> inside a plumbing compression fitting that grips the pipe when the nut is
>> tightened.
>>
>> You also need a little PTFE tape or sealing compound on the Olive
>> otherwise the joint will leak.
> 
> Bad advice.  The tape is completely unnecessary on brass compression 
> fittings.  Never use tape.  It is what can cause leaks.
> 
> You would use tape on some threaded connections, not those compression 
> fittings using a ferrule.
> 
> 

+1 : I was going to say that, too.


-- 
Chris Elvidge, England
EVERYONE IS TIRED OF THAT RICHARD GERE STORY
Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 5F01

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14560

On 8/17/25 07:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 17/08/2025 at 13:09, sticks wrote:
>> On 8/17/2025 1:12 AM, Dnews wrote:
>>> In article <107r7gb$1vo4e$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>     The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [Snippy]
>>>
>>>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
>>>
>>> Keeping it clean... :-)
>>>
>>> In the context of plumbing... It's the brass ring (Like a wedding band)
>>> inside a plumbing compression fitting that grips the pipe when the nut is
>>> tightened.

Tapered thing?  OK, I know what you mean.
>>> You also need a little PTFE tape or sealing compound on the Olive
>>> otherwise the joint will leak.
>> 
>> Bad advice.  The tape is completely unnecessary on brass compression 
>> fittings.  Never use tape.  It is what can cause leaks.
>> 
>> You would use tape on some threaded connections, not those compression 
>> fittings using a ferrule.

That stuff is known as plumber's tape here in The Colonies.  Lovely 
stuff.  A previous owner had turned my Ducati's round carb throat into a 
slight oval, causing nastiness.  A LOT of plumber's tape solved the 
leakage problem, but it ran rich thereafter because I was afraid to take 
it apart to adjust the needle.  Ultimately I found a complete virgin 
carb at a yard sale for $15.  But I digress.

I keep meaning to take some of that tape to the gym to fix a hand-held 
shower head that leaks badly.  Maybe Wednesday...

> +1 : I was going to say that, too.
-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "I won't allow the half of Americans who pay no taxes to bear
    the burden of the other half who aren't paying their fair share."
                                 -- Guess Who

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14513

The Real Bev wrote:

> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?

Home Depot seem to still be playing the 'piss-off with your GDPR' game. 
Lowes seem to call them 'sleeves', either way, they're part of a 
compression fitting.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14514

On Sun, 8/17/2025 3:55 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
> 
> Home Depot seem to still be playing the 'piss-off with your GDPR' game. Lowes seem to call them 'sleeves', either way, they're part of a compression fitting.

They're apparently called "ferrules" here.

The UK sites might have better pictures.

https://plumbhq.uk/collections/compression-olives

   Paul

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14515

Paul wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
>
>> Home Depot seem to still be playing the 'piss-off with your GDPR' game. Lowes seem to call them 'sleeves', either way, they're part of a compression fitting.
> 
> They're apparently called "ferrules" here.

I did mean to post a link <https://lowes.com/pd/sleeve/1000485267>

> The UK sites might have better pictures.
> https://plumbhq.uk/collections/compression-olives

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14523

On 2025/8/17 12:0:30, Andy Burns wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?
>>
>>> Home Depot seem to still be playing the 'piss-off with your GDPR' game. Lowes seem to call them 'sleeves', either way, they're part of a compression fitting.
>>
>> They're apparently called "ferrules" here.
> 
> I did mean to post a link <https://lowes.com/pd/sleeve/1000485267>
> 
>> The UK sites might have better pictures.
>> https://plumbhq.uk/collections/compression-olives
> 
The two main ways of connecting together metal pipes, fixings, etcetera.
The commonest if you're a plumber and doing it all the time is probably
soldered joints, but that involves a blowlamp or similar; the other is
compression fittings, where a (usually copper) ring is placed over the
end of the pipe and compressed inside the fitting, which causes the
ring, pipe, and fitting (mostly the ring) to deform into each other,
suppressing leaks. For some reason, the ring is called an olive, at
least in UK.

<https://www.diy.com/ideas-advice/how-to-connect-pipes-fittings/CC_npcart_400170.art>
lists many ways of joining - solder, compression, and push-fit - though
doesn't show in detail how they work;
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzDNzWGJnuw&t=6> does.

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

tried calling the tinnitus helpline - no answer, just kept ringing

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14517

On 17/08/2025 10:24 am, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 8/16/25 08:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

<Snip>

>> I just give it as an example of the willingness to
>> find out. So many others would call a plumber at an earlier stage. (You
>> could of course just accuse me of miserliness, but that's beside the
>> point, and not _entirely_ true: my inclination when encountering a
>> problem is not "who do I get to fix this" but "how does one fix this".)
> 
> Hubby grew up dirt poor but smart.  If he wanted something he had to fix 
> somebody else's broken cast-off.

My father did his trade training as a Plasterer back in the days (just 
before WWII) when you had to slop the wet plaster up onto the wooden 
slats and then smooth it out.

Before you could slop the plaster onto the slats, you might have to 
replace those slats .... and, before you did that, you might check the 
plumbing (Did a leak cause the Plaster Problem??) and electrics with-in 
the wall. Then you'd fix the wood work, then do the plastering and then 
the painting.

So whilst being (only) a qualified Plasterer he also became a (sort of) 
plumber/electrician/carpenter/painter .... although not a Master of 
them!! ;-)
-- 
Daniel70

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14521

On 2025/8/17 1:24:42, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 8/16/25 08:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2025/8/16 7:22:8, The Real Bev wrote:

[]

>>>   Not the sort of word anyone even with a huge vocabulary (and mine is 
>>> actually pretty large -- I've been tested!) would have.  Pure 
>>
>> (Where do you get such a test?)
> 
> Sort of quoting from The Big Bang Theory.  Aced pretty much every test 
> involving English (or French or Spanish later on) going through school. 

Ah, I thought you meant a specific test for vocabulary. Yes, I like to
think I'm the same (for English, I can _get by_ to some extent in French
and German). Although on the sciences side, I like language (it's in my
family as I've mentioned before); I also did (and passed) "Use of
English", an intermediate (between O and A levels, as they were called
in the 1970s) thing that either was needed for, or at least aided,
entrance to Oxbridge (shorthand for "Oxford or Cambridge"). [In practice
I didn't go to Oxbridge - I would say because they didn't offer a
specific enough electronics course, but I'll also admit I might not have
got in anyway. I went to one of the few universities that then _had_ an
electronics course.]

> Seriously.  I am, however, abysmal at math.

I quite liked it, though more "applied" than "pure" as they were called.
(I did pass in both though.)

[]

>> myself, as necessary. I'm not boasting there - I only have practical
>> experience of the more expensive methods involving olives, none of
>> soldered connections; 
> 
> Olives?  Is this Brit for something we Yanks know as something else?

Possibly "compression rings". See later post.

[]

> I can't resist the temptation.  Perplexity gives source footnotes, BTW. 
> Do the others?
> 
(What's its URL?) I've only used ChatGPT so far; I noticed on that last
conversation (about Germany's use - or not - of the LW broadcast band)
that it did, or at least it said "Wikipedia", not sure if full URL.
(Might have been clickable links, can't remember. An earlier
conversation, where it was helping me do a software thing with a Kindle
book, I don't think it did, but that might be either because it was
earlier and it now does, or because it wasn't appropriate at each step
of that activity.)

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

tried calling the tinnitus helpline - no answer, just kept ringing

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14538

On 18/08/2025 12:07 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/8/17 1:24:42, The Real Bev wrote:

<Snip>

>> Seriously.  I am, however, abysmal at math.
> 
> I quite liked it, though more "applied" than "pure" as they were called.
> (I did pass in both though.)

I think my sisters did "Pure" and "Applied" Maths. I, on the other hand, 
did 'Maths A' and 'Maths B'.

How they inter-relate .... buggered if I know!!
-- 
Daniel70

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14509

On 16/08/2025 16:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In the computing or wider reference case, I fear - as some others in
> this discussion are fearing - that_reliance_  on AI could become
> dangerous. But I definitely see the temptation!

People will always claim that something is dangerous for one or more 
reasons:

It is new; They haven't tried it themselves, but are just repeating what 
they have heard from someone else who also hasn't tried it and has only 
read one-sided information in a newspaper. They just want to discourage 
others from using it.

Do you remember what people were saying about calculators and adding 
machines? Now, calculators are part of the school curriculum and adding 
machines have been replaced by spreadsheet packages.

When the Coronavirus vaccine became compulsory, people started blaming 
Bill Gates. This is because he invested billions in producing these 
vaccines. He has said many times that he wants to give away his wealth 
in his lifetime. Everyone knows he doesn't work any more. All he does is 
spend his money, give talks and donate to charities.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14510

On 8/16/25 17:58, AI User Here wrote:
> On 16/08/2025 16:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In the computing or wider reference case, I fear - as some others in
>> this discussion are fearing - that_reliance_  on AI could become
>> dangerous. But I definitely see the temptation!
> 
> People will always claim that something is dangerous for one or more
> reasons:
> 
> It is new; They haven't tried it themselves, but are just repeating what
> they have heard from someone else who also hasn't tried it and has only
> read one-sided information in a newspaper. They just want to discourage
> others from using it.

I use perplexity every day.  I'm not afraid of it.  BUT I see how kids 
are already dumbing down and limiting themselves.  AI makes it easier. 
My daughter says her kids got a worse education than she did and that 
she got a worse one than I did. Humans are lazy and always want to make 
stuff easier.  It's known as progress.  How do you make somebody do 
something harder than it has to be just because it's good for them?
> Do you remember what people were saying about calculators and adding
> machines? Now, calculators are part of the school curriculum and adding
> machines have been replaced by spreadsheet packages.

BUT what happens when the power goes off?  Maybe for only a few hours, 
but suddenly I've lost pretty much everything except maybe watering the 
lawn or doing other yard work.  One switch and we're back 150 years.
> When the Coronavirus vaccine became compulsory, people started blaming
> Bill Gates. This is because he invested billions in producing these
> vaccines. He has said many times that he wants to give away his wealth
> in his lifetime. Everyone knows he doesn't work any more. All he does is
> spend his money, give talks and donate to charities.

Gates can spend his money however he wants, he's still somebody whose 
wife dumped him when she found out about Epstein.

My point is that we should know how to do as much stuff by ourselves as 
possible, even if we never have to do it.  I used to fix cars, but not 
the 88 Cad (inherited) which tried to kill me repeatedly by flooring the 
accelerator all by itself, and not the 2013 Corolla which has shown no 
problems at all so far.  But if something goes wrong with the Corolla it 
better be the disk brakes, because I'm pretty sure I can deal with those.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Is there any way I can help without actually getting involved?"
                                              -- Jennifer, WKRP

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14518

On 17/08/2025 2:07 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 8/16/25 17:58, AI User Here wrote:

<Snip>

>> Do you remember what people were saying about calculators and
>> adding machines? Now, calculators are part of the school curriculum
>> and adding machines have been replaced by spreadsheet packages.
> 
> BUT what happens when the power goes off?  Maybe for only a few
> hours, but suddenly I've lost pretty much everything except maybe
> watering the lawn or doing other yard work.  One switch and we're
> back 150 years.

WHAT?? Do you mean you haven't got a printed copy of "Four Figure Log
Tables" tucked away in a cupboard somewhere?? How about a Slide Ruler??

>> When the Coronavirus vaccine became compulsory,

"compulsory"?? Where was this?? ;-P

>> people started blaming Bill Gates. This is because he invested
>> billions in producing these vaccines. He has said many times that
>> he wants to give away his wealth in his lifetime. Everyone knows he
>> doesn't work any more. All he does is spend his money, give talks
>> and donate to charities.
--
Daniel70

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#14519

On 17/08/2025 10:23 pm, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 17/08/2025 2:07 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 8/16/25 17:58, AI User Here wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>>> Do you remember what people were saying about calculators and
>>> adding machines? Now, calculators are part of the school curriculum
>>> and adding machines have been replaced by spreadsheet packages.
>>
>> BUT what happens when the power goes off?  Maybe for only a few
>> hours, but suddenly I've lost pretty much everything except maybe
>> watering the lawn or doing other yard work.  One switch and we're
>> back 150 years.
> 
> WHAT?? Do you mean you haven't got a printed copy of "Four Figure Log
> Tables" tucked away in a cupboard somewhere?? How about a Slide Ruler??
> 
>>> When the Coronavirus vaccine became compulsory,
> 
> "compulsory"?? Where was this?? ;-P

What I mean is .... Here, in Australia, it was recommended that you get 
dosed up but if you didn't want the injection then YOU had to 'suffer' 
the consequences of your choice.
> 
>>> people started blaming Bill Gates. This is because he invested
>>> billions in producing these vaccines. He has said many times that
>>> he wants to give away his wealth in his lifetime. Everyone knows he
>>> doesn't work any more. All he does is spend his money, give talks
>>> and donate to charities.
> -- 
> Daniel70


-- 
Daniel70

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | alt.comp.software.firefox

csiph-web