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Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.software.firefox, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave
Date	2025-08-17 16:23 -0400
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On Sun, 8/17/2025 1:50 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> sticks wrote:
> 
>> Gas pipe could even be said to be easier than copper pipe, since the typical black pipe job doesn't get soldered joints.
> 
> Probably a UK/USA difference, but domestic gas pipes have been almost exclusively copper here for decades ... yes you can still buy black iron pipe and fittings at real plumbers merchants, but not likely in DIY sheds.

My new furnace here (Canada) was a black pipe job. The tech had a thread cutter
in the trailer behind his truck, and was running it off my outdoor power outlet.
And making up short sections for his own idea of a "neat" job. The thread
cutter draws a fair bit of power.

We eventually ended up working all the way back to the meter. His assistant
wasn't with him, and I held some pipe (in basement) while he disassembled the
meter end (outdoor meter, not a smart type meter). The job still wasn't
leak-proofed in the end and really, all of the pipe needed to be taken apart.

But I prefer that to copper. The previous furnace had mostly black pipe,
and it had one section of copper leading to the furnace, and it took
three tries, two guys with a big spanner each, to get enough compressive
pressure to make it so the copper connection point did not leak.
Copper is a metal that "smears", it's like it makes its own grease,
when you want something to grip.

So of the two technologies, I now know that with the black pipe,
you can make it gas-tight with a modicum of effort. Whereas the
short section of copper, showed that copper as a gas pipe, is
just a disaster waiting to happen. And all of the people involved
in this case, install one or two furnaces per day. It's not like
they lack practice. The guy who did my latest furnace, he has
to "re-certify" every couple of years, and do an install in front
of some sort of inspector. That's where they receive feedback
on the "latest" issue. The latest issue being the need for tape
at some of the mount points, for fake galvanic protection. Dissimilar
metals needing some kind of tape being put between them. The piping
still has plenty of points where metal on metal straps are present,
so it's not like the entire thing is galvanically protected.

Now we're back to a black-pipe-only distribution, no more copper in there.
I'm happy with that part of it, at least.

And on a previous visit, there was a connection from ground added, to a
gas pipe. Hard to say, whether that has made things safer or less safe.

   Paul

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Browse at the speed of thought Jai Hind <jai.hind@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 00:54 +0000
  Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-08-13 21:46 -0400
    Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 20:21 -0700
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:53 +0200
      Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-14 21:48 +1000
        Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 15:09 -0700
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-14 15:25 -0700
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 19:43 -0700
          Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-15 21:53 +1000
            Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 23:22 -0700
              Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 16:02 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-16 18:44 -0400
                mostly OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 14:41 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:42 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 18:50 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 13:23 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 19:44 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 14:53 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-08-18 16:50 +0000
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 13:37 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:23 -0400
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 07:01 +0100
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 09:08 -0500
                Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:18 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 17:24 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2025-08-17 07:12 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 07:09 -0500
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-08-17 15:10 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 23:21 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 08:55 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 06:48 -0400
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 12:00 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:16 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:11 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:07 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:12 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought AI User Here <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 00:58 +0000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 21:07 -0700
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:23 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:57 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:49 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:30 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 12:54 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:00 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:37 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:41 +1000
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:02 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:04 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:22 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:10 +1000
                OT: driving licences (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 14:34 +0100
                Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 00:38 +1000
                Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-08-18 16:55 +0100
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 03:42 -0400
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:28 -0500
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:54 -0400
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-20 19:32 -0500
                Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-21 03:06 -0400
              Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-16 10:05 -0700
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  Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-13 22:48 -0500
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