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  Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 01:06 +0000
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "J. Weaver Jr." <jwjr@poREMOVETHISbox.com> - 2025-01-15 20:44 -0500
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-01-16 02:02 +0000
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 22:16 -0700
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 06:08 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 11:05 -0700
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 23:04 -0500
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:36 +0000
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:08 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:16 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:13 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 11:56 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:08 -0500
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:13 -0500
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:19 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 11:13 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:14 -0500
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:49 +0000
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 12:07 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 04:20 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:50 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 21:45 -0700
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 12:52 +0000
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-17 05:01 +0000
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 14:52 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 15:24 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:39 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 16:59 -0500
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 17:16 -0500
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 19:54 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:44 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 17:05 -0500
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 22:13 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-20 13:44 +0100
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 13:31 +0000
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 08:59 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 11:34 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 12:07 +0000
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 09:20 -0500
                Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 13:16 -0700
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 12:29 -0700
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-30 20:23 +1100
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 15:15 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-17 15:17 +0100
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 10:22 -0700
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 21:05 +0100
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:32 -0700
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 09:11 +0000
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-01-16 17:26 +0100

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#16431 — Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend]

Frank Slootweg wrote on 1/20/25 4:34 AM:
> 
>    I don't particularly like that the (Microsoft) Phone Link app requires
> a Microsoft Account (at least to set it up) and that's why I don't use
> it (because I don't want to have/use a Microsoft Account), but what
> Newyana2 says is of course not true: You don't give Microsoft access to
> your computer and your phone. You allow a Microsoft *app* on your phone
> to talk to a Microsoft *app* on your computer (and vice versa). That's
> all.

Correct
  - allows MSFT app on phone to communicate with app on device.
  => Authorization, communication, and sync - nothing else.

> 
>    If one follows Newyana2's 'logic', Google would have full control of
> my bank accounts, airline and hotel reservations, etc., etc., just
> because the respective apps are all on the same phone.

As noted earlier, can't claim its all types of bread(e.g. rye) when its 
plain old white bread....i.e. just more conspiracy theory,.
> 



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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16622 — Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend]

On 20/01/2025 8:44 am, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> The clever thing with making you sign up for PhoneLink is that 
>> you're apparently connecting through their server, so you have to 
>> give them access to your computer AND your cellphone, linking both 
>> to your MS ID.
> I see if you try to link an iPhone instead of an Android phone,

I survived all through CoViD-19 with my Android phone unable to process
QR codes.

Was I supposed to download an App or something?? ;-P (Just as well I 
knew how to write my Name and Ph Number!!)

> it asks you to scan a QR code instead of sign-in with a MSA, not any
> use to me as I don't have an iPhone.-- 
Daniel70

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#16430 — Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend]

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> [original message doesn't appear to have sent properly]
> 
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> 
> > If you plan on using any version of MSFT Office 2016 or later, you will 
> > still need a MSFT account)...that MSFT account does not have to be a 
> > Windows logon/sign-in account, but it will be needed for activation and 
> > use of Office programs.
> 
> I never want an MSA for signing-in, fair enough I can avoid that, but it 
> annoys me when certain Win11 features require an MSA for no apparent 
> reason, e.g the PhoneLink app.
> 
> I try to use TOTP based authenticator as far as possible, but a handful 
> of services are stuck using SMS to authenticate, so the ability to copy 
> codes from phone and paste to browser on PC is sometimes handy
> 
> I can do that using 'Google Messages for Web' and linking via a QR code, 
> but overall it's barely more convenient than retyping the codes by hand.

  Our 'friend' "Arlen" seems to be quite fond of 'scrcpy' (I believe on
GitHub).

  Other pointers I have collected over time are Airdroid/Airmirror, KDE
Connect and FoneLab Mirror - Cast phone.

  There's also MyPhoneExplorer, which I have tried, but I find the
screen presentation on Windows rather simplistic.

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fonelab.mirror.recorder>

> Does anyone use the PhoneLink app?   Does it work using an "auxilliary" 
> MSA?  Does it automatically connect when in bluetooth range?

  I have not used it, because of the MSA requirement. I think it's
likely it will work using an "auxilliary" MSA, because some other apps
also do, but I don't know for sure. No idea about your last question.

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#16363

On 2025-01-16 05:45, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Boris wrote on 1/15/25 6:06 PM:


> The easiest remedy.
> Set up the device with a MSFT account(write down the password, if 
> desired create a PIN when prompted)
> Use that MSFT account after logon to create a Local Account
> Use that MSFT account to change the Local Account to an Admin account
> Logoff the MSFT account
> Logon with Local account
> Use the Local account to remove the MSFT account from Windows

What are the cons to not removing the MSFT account (and not using it)?


> Once done
>   - use the Local Account to install all software and setup Windows to 
> your liking.
> 
> Note: If you plan on using any version of MSFT Office 2016 or later, you 
> will still need a MSFT account)...that MSFT account does not have to be 
> a Windows logon/sign-in account, but it will be needed for activation 
> and use of Office programs.
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16391

Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/17/25 7:17 AM:
> On 2025-01-16 05:45, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Boris wrote on 1/15/25 6:06 PM:
> 
> 
>> The easiest remedy.
>> Set up the device with a MSFT account(write down the password, if 
>> desired create a PIN when prompted)
>> Use that MSFT account after logon to create a Local Account
>> Use that MSFT account to change the Local Account to an Admin account
>> Logoff the MSFT account
>> Logon with Local account
>> Use the Local account to remove the MSFT account from Windows
> 
> What are the cons to not removing the MSFT account (and not using it)?
> 
> 
>> Once done
>>   - use the Local Account to install all software and setup Windows to 
>> your liking.
>>
>> Note: If you plan on using any version of MSFT Office 2016 or later, 
>> you will still need a MSFT account)...that MSFT account does not have 
>> to be a Windows logon/sign-in account, but it will be needed for 
>> activation and use of Office programs.
>>
>>
> 
> 
If the MSA is left on the device after creating the Local Admin account, 
and not used, it does not affect or impact the Local Account, it remains 
in the same state of last use.

Windows will continue to operate per its settings in the Local Account.
  - Updates. Store packages(that are not uninstalled - Note: MSFT store 
apps are integrated with Windows for updating, not Windows 
Updates)updates, Windows Security Updates(engine and defs) etc.

i.e. If the MSA logon account is not used, it's static, and relegated to 
being an optional account for logon on the Welcome/Sign in Screen and a 
selectable account on the Local Account's Start Menu/user icon/switch 
user feature.  Any use of that or any other MSA account in the Local 
account(e.g Office, Store apps, Microsoft online services)is within the 
Local account's software.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16394

On 2025-01-18 18:22, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/17/25 7:17 AM:
>> On 2025-01-16 05:45, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Boris wrote on 1/15/25 6:06 PM:
>>
>>
>>> The easiest remedy.
>>> Set up the device with a MSFT account(write down the password, if 
>>> desired create a PIN when prompted)
>>> Use that MSFT account after logon to create a Local Account
>>> Use that MSFT account to change the Local Account to an Admin account
>>> Logoff the MSFT account
>>> Logon with Local account
>>> Use the Local account to remove the MSFT account from Windows
>>
>> What are the cons to not removing the MSFT account (and not using it)?
>>
>>
>>> Once done
>>>   - use the Local Account to install all software and setup Windows 
>>> to your liking.
>>>
>>> Note: If you plan on using any version of MSFT Office 2016 or later, 
>>> you will still need a MSFT account)...that MSFT account does not have 
>>> to be a Windows logon/sign-in account, but it will be needed for 
>>> activation and use of Office programs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> If the MSA is left on the device after creating the Local Admin account, 
> and not used, it does not affect or impact the Local Account, it remains 
> in the same state of last use.
> 
> Windows will continue to operate per its settings in the Local Account.
>   - Updates. Store packages(that are not uninstalled - Note: MSFT store 
> apps are integrated with Windows for updating, not Windows 
> Updates)updates, Windows Security Updates(engine and defs) etc.
> 
> i.e. If the MSA logon account is not used, it's static, and relegated to 
> being an optional account for logon on the Welcome/Sign in Screen and a 
> selectable account on the Local Account's Start Menu/user icon/switch 
> user feature.  Any use of that or any other MSA account in the Local 
> account(e.g Office, Store apps, Microsoft online services)is within the 
> Local account's software.


Well, this is acceptable. It is not tracking activity, if not used lot 
log in.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16405

Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/18/25 1:05 PM:
> On 2025-01-18 18:22, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/17/25 7:17 AM:
>>> On 2025-01-16 05:45, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> Boris wrote on 1/15/25 6:06 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The easiest remedy.
>>>> Set up the device with a MSFT account(write down the password, if 
>>>> desired create a PIN when prompted)
>>>> Use that MSFT account after logon to create a Local Account
>>>> Use that MSFT account to change the Local Account to an Admin account
>>>> Logoff the MSFT account
>>>> Logon with Local account
>>>> Use the Local account to remove the MSFT account from Windows
>>>
>>> What are the cons to not removing the MSFT account (and not using it)?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Once done
>>>>   - use the Local Account to install all software and setup Windows 
>>>> to your liking.
>>>>
>>>> Note: If you plan on using any version of MSFT Office 2016 or later, 
>>>> you will still need a MSFT account)...that MSFT account does not have 
>>>> to be a Windows logon/sign-in account, but it will be needed for 
>>>> activation and use of Office programs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If the MSA is left on the device after creating the Local Admin 
>> account, and not used, it does not affect or impact the Local Account, 
>> it remains in the same state of last use.
>>
>> Windows will continue to operate per its settings in the Local Account.
>>   - Updates. Store packages(that are not uninstalled - Note: MSFT store 
>> apps are integrated with Windows for updating, not Windows 
>> Updates)updates, Windows Security Updates(engine and defs) etc.
>>
>> i.e. If the MSA logon account is not used, it's static, and relegated 
>> to being an optional account for logon on the Welcome/Sign in Screen 
>> and a selectable account on the Local Account's Start Menu/user 
>> icon/switch user feature.  Any use of that or any other MSA account in 
>> the Local account(e.g Office, Store apps, Microsoft online services)is 
>> within the Local account's software.
> 
> 
> Well, this is acceptable. It is not tracking activity, if not used lot 
> log in.
> 

Yes, correct. Doing nothing is acceptable for an unused MSA logon account.

  ..but you will still see(in this and other windows forums) the 'Chicken 
Little-Sky is falling' type feedback and invasion of privacy, security, 
resource consumption(like installed/present enabled/stopped dormant 
services) etc....while worthy of discussion when warranted, most only 
serve to stoke fear or confirm a lack of understanding of Windows.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16335

Boris wrote:

> I'm back at being asked for a Microsoft account [...]
> Does anyone know what the latest work-around is?

It used to be trivial to bypass creating an MSA, now it's probably 
easier to create a throwaway account solely for the purpose of 
installing the machine, then create a local admin account and a local 
non-admin account, then trash the MSA (not forgetting about bitlocker keys).

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#16346

Boris wrote:

>Of course, I'm back at being asked for a Microsoft account email, which I 
>don't have.  I guess I could create an account, but I seem to remember that 
>if Microsoft sets up the machine, the user's default folder will be assigned 
>a cumbersome alpha-numeric-special character name, which can't be renamed.  
>Am I remembering correctly?
>
>I'm searching for a remedy.  Does anyone know what the latest work-around is?

Use Rufus to generate an ISO image to boot from, it will do the trick.

-jw-
-- 
And now for something completely different...

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