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  What Office to get? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 14:30 +0100
    Re: What Office to get? "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-15 09:27 -0500
    Re: What Office to get? sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-15 08:29 -0600
      Re: What Office to get? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:45 -0600
        Re: What Office to get? malone <malone@nospam.net.nz> - 2025-01-16 09:28 +1300
          Re: What Office to get? sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-15 15:54 -0600
          Re: What Office to get? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:36 -0600
    Re: What Office to get? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:38 +0100
      Re: What Office to get? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 10:44 -0700
        Re: What Office to get? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:49 +0100
      Re: What Office to get? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-28 21:12 +1100
        Re: What Office to get? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-28 13:27 +0000
          Re: What Office to get? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-28 14:51 +0000
    Re: What Office to get? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-15 17:18 +0100
    Re: What Office to get? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-01-15 12:08 -0600
    Re: What Office to get? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 16:07 -0500
      Re: What Office to get? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 22:35 -0700
        Re: What Office to get? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 09:05 -0500
          Re: What Office to get? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 13:40 -0700
            Re: What Office to get? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 17:12 -0500
              Re: What Office to get? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:26 +0100
                Re: What Office to get? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 21:38 -0700
    Re: What Office to get? Drummond <noreply@juhygtfr.com> - 2025-01-16 02:00 +0000
    Re: What Office to get? Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2025-01-28 21:03 +0000

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#16305 — What Office to get?

Hi,

a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.

She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, 
she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.

What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
are not feasible, I'm afraid.


Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
familiar with M$ Office versions.

Thanks.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16307

On 1/15/25 08:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
> 
> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, she rather wants a 
> permanent one, and cheap if possible.
> 
> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops are not feasible, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and will not do. She es not a 
> geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not familiar with M$ Office versions.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
Microsoft Office 2024 is a one time charge about $150 US.  Available on Amazon.  My wife bought one, 
we had a 2010 or so copy from school but technically it should only be used while we were in school, 
so this fixed that license mishap.
https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-Home-2024-Classic/dp/B0DGVQMGBB

-- 
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Thunderbird 128.5.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0
Alan K.

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#16308

On 1/15/2025 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
> 
> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, 
> she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
> 
> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
> familiar with M$ Office versions.
> 
> Thanks.

I have bought the stand alone versions for three separate boxes of mine 
now from stacksocial.com.  Right now they have Office version 2024 
offered for $120US.  Office 2021 is $60US, and Office 2019 for $35US.

I previously have bought versions 2003, 2007, and 2010.  I needed more 
of the features the newer versions had.  I bought version 2021 for my 
newest box that can run windows 11.  On my laptop I bought 2019 version. 
  The differences are small in what they can do, and weren't things that 
affected my use.  I believe they had to do with allowing others to work 
on things together somehow, not specifically sharing, but I can't 
remember exactly the advantages of 2021.  All the basic functionality 
were otherwise identical.  On the new laptop I just bought my wife, I 
just bought a 2019 for the $35US for her.

Summary:  I would recommend version 2019 if cheap as possible is one of 
the conditions.

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#16318

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:29:09 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
wrote:

>I have bought the stand alone versions for three separate boxes of mine 
>now from stacksocial.com.  Right now they have Office version 2024 
>offered for $120US.  Office 2021 is $60US, and Office 2019 for $35US.
>
>I previously have bought versions 2003, 2007, and 2010.  I needed more 
>of the features the newer versions had.  I bought version 2021 for my 
>newest box that can run windows 11.  On my laptop I bought 2019 version. 
>  The differences are small in what they can do, and weren't things that 
>affected my use.  I believe they had to do with allowing others to work 
>on things together somehow, not specifically sharing, but I can't 
>remember exactly the advantages of 2021.  All the basic functionality 
>were otherwise identical.  On the new laptop I just bought my wife, I 
>just bought a 2019 for the $35US for her.
>
>Summary:  I would recommend version 2019 if cheap as possible is one of 
>the conditions.

I recently recommended Office 2019 from StackSocial to my niece. She's
thrilled to have saved so much money.

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#16319

On Thu-16-Jan-2025 8:45 am, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:29:09 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> I have bought the stand alone versions for three separate boxes of mine
>> now from stacksocial.com.  Right now they have Office version 2024
>> offered for $120US.  Office 2021 is $60US, and Office 2019 for $35US.
>>
>> I previously have bought versions 2003, 2007, and 2010.  I needed more
>> of the features the newer versions had.  I bought version 2021 for my
>> newest box that can run windows 11.  On my laptop I bought 2019 version.
>>   The differences are small in what they can do, and weren't things that
>> affected my use.  I believe they had to do with allowing others to work
>> on things together somehow, not specifically sharing, but I can't
>> remember exactly the advantages of 2021.  All the basic functionality
>> were otherwise identical.  On the new laptop I just bought my wife, I
>> just bought a 2019 for the $35US for her.
>>
>> Summary:  I would recommend version 2019 if cheap as possible is one of
>> the conditions.
> 
> I recently recommended Office 2019 from StackSocial to my niece. She's
> thrilled to have saved so much money.
> 

Are all the Office versions fully functional? Some years ago I was 
looking into buying a cheapo version of Excel before discovering that 
the particular version did not support the macro facility offered by 
VBA. Excel without VBA would be completely useless for me - practically 
every workbook of mine incorporates macros. I'm still using Excel2000 as 
it does everything I need and I've never identified a feature I want to 
use in the more recent versions. And I could never adjust to that ribbon....

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#16321

On 1/15/2025 2:28 PM, malone wrote:
> On Thu-16-Jan-2025 8:45 am, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:29:09 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have bought the stand alone versions for three separate boxes of mine
>>> now from stacksocial.com.  Right now they have Office version 2024
>>> offered for $120US.  Office 2021 is $60US, and Office 2019 for $35US.
>>>
>>> I previously have bought versions 2003, 2007, and 2010.  I needed more
>>> of the features the newer versions had.  I bought version 2021 for my
>>> newest box that can run windows 11.  On my laptop I bought 2019 version.
>>>   The differences are small in what they can do, and weren't things that
>>> affected my use.  I believe they had to do with allowing others to work
>>> on things together somehow, not specifically sharing, but I can't
>>> remember exactly the advantages of 2021.  All the basic functionality
>>> were otherwise identical.  On the new laptop I just bought my wife, I
>>> just bought a 2019 for the $35US for her.
>>>
>>> Summary:  I would recommend version 2019 if cheap as possible is one of
>>> the conditions.
>>
>> I recently recommended Office 2019 from StackSocial to my niece. She's
>> thrilled to have saved so much money.

When I bought the first one I was similarly surprised and pleased.  My 
version 2003 simply did not have the functionality of the 2010 I had on 
another box.  It was surprisingly cheap and simple to get the 
capabilities I needed.

> Are all the Office versions fully functional? Some years ago I was 
> looking into buying a cheapo version of Excel before discovering that 
> the particular version did not support the macro facility offered by 
> VBA. Excel without VBA would be completely useless for me - practically 
> every workbook of mine incorporates macros. I'm still using Excel2000 as 
> it does everything I need and I've never identified a feature I want to 
> use in the more recent versions. And I could never adjust to that 
> ribbon....

Yes.  They send you a key by email, and you go to setup.office.com. and 
click the get started button where it asks you for the key and you then 
download the installation files.  You get the complete Office packages 
and windows update also takes care of any updates that come along.


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#16322

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 09:28:47 +1300, malone <malone@nospam.net.nz> wrote:

>On Thu-16-Jan-2025 8:45 am, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:29:09 -0600, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have bought the stand alone versions for three separate boxes of mine
>>> now from stacksocial.com.  Right now they have Office version 2024
>>> offered for $120US.  Office 2021 is $60US, and Office 2019 for $35US.
>>>
>>> I previously have bought versions 2003, 2007, and 2010.  I needed more
>>> of the features the newer versions had.  I bought version 2021 for my
>>> newest box that can run windows 11.  On my laptop I bought 2019 version.
>>>   The differences are small in what they can do, and weren't things that
>>> affected my use.  I believe they had to do with allowing others to work
>>> on things together somehow, not specifically sharing, but I can't
>>> remember exactly the advantages of 2021.  All the basic functionality
>>> were otherwise identical.  On the new laptop I just bought my wife, I
>>> just bought a 2019 for the $35US for her.
>>>
>>> Summary:  I would recommend version 2019 if cheap as possible is one of
>>> the conditions.
>> 
>> I recently recommended Office 2019 from StackSocial to my niece. She's
>> thrilled to have saved so much money.
>> 
>
>Are all the Office versions fully functional?

I've never seen an actual Microsoft Office product that wasn't fully
functional. I didn't know that was possible.

>Some years ago I was 
>looking into buying a cheapo version of Excel before discovering that 
>the particular version did not support the macro facility offered by 
>VBA. Excel without VBA would be completely useless for me - practically 
>every workbook of mine incorporates macros. I'm still using Excel2000 as 
>it does everything I need and I've never identified a feature I want to 
>use in the more recent versions. And I could never adjust to that ribbon....

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#16309

On 2025-01-15 14:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
> 
> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, 
> she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
> 
> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
> familiar with M$ Office versions.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

She is going to try Libre Office, she just told me. Another friend 
recommended it, and she doesn't need to share files, she says.

Good :-)

Thanks for the answers so far :-)


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16314

Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/15/25 8:38 AM:
> On 2025-01-15 14:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
>>
>> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every 
>> year, she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
>>
>> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
>> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
>> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
>> familiar with M$ Office versions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> 
> She is going to try Libre Office, she just told me. Another friend 
> recommended it, and she doesn't need to share files, she says.
> 
> Good :-)
> 
> Thanks for the answers so far :-)
> 
> 

If the user does end up requiring Office then don't rule out M365 Family.
  Even though a subscription($99/yr), that same subscription can be 
shared with 5 other users(owner can invite 5 others to download install 
on their devices).
  i.e. that $99 annual cost spread across 6 people is ~$17 per user per 
year.  Compare that cost with the perpetual version of Office 2024 which 
is single use(one user), one pc - Office Home(no Outlook) is $150, Office 
Home and Business($250).
  e.g. M365 Family shared with 3 people needing/using Office Home is 
$33-34 yr(or 165 for three years(total cost 3 yrs $300) vs 3 people 
buying a perpetual version $450.

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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16343

On 2025-01-15 18:44, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 1/15/25 8:38 AM:
>> On 2025-01-15 14:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
>>>
>>> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every 
>>> year, she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
>>>
>>> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on 
>>> shops are not feasible, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers 
>>> and will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
>>> familiar with M$ Office versions.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> She is going to try Libre Office, she just told me. Another friend 
>> recommended it, and she doesn't need to share files, she says.
>>
>> Good :-)
>>
>> Thanks for the answers so far :-)
>>
>>
> 
> If the user does end up requiring Office then don't rule out M365 Family.
>   Even though a subscription($99/yr), that same subscription can be 
> shared with 5 other users(owner can invite 5 others to download install 
> on their devices).
>   i.e. that $99 annual cost spread across 6 people is ~$17 per user per 
> year. 

That's interesting.

> Compare that cost with the perpetual version of Office 2024 which 
> is single use(one user), one pc - Office Home(no Outlook) is $150, 
> Office Home and Business($250).
>   e.g. M365 Family shared with 3 people needing/using Office Home is 
> $33-34 yr(or 165 for three years(total cost 3 yrs $300) vs 3 people 
> buying a perpetual version $450.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16592

On 16/01/2025 2:38 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-15 14:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
>>
>> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every 
>> year, she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
>>
>> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
>> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers 
>> and will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
>> familiar with M$ Office versions.
>>
>> Thanks.
> 
> She is going to try Libre Office, she just told me. Another friend 
> recommended it, and she doesn't need to share files, she says.
> 
> Good :-)
> 
> Thanks for the answers so far :-)
> 
I didn't have MSOffice installed on my former Laptop .... nor do I have 
a Printer at home, so I write my document in LibreOffice, copy the 
Document to a USB drive and take it down to the local Library and use 
their MSO and Printer to print my Document.

No Problem.
-- 
Daniel70

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#16596

Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> On 16/01/2025 2:38 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-01-15 14:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
>>> 
>>> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every 
>>> year, she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
>>> 
>>> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
>>> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
>>> 
>>> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers 
>>> and will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
>>> familiar with M$ Office versions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>> 
>> She is going to try Libre Office, she just told me. Another friend 
>> recommended it, and she doesn't need to share files, she says.
>> 
>> Good :-)
>> 
>> Thanks for the answers so far :-)
>> 
> I didn't have MSOffice installed on my former Laptop .... nor do I have 
> a Printer at home, so I write my document in LibreOffice, copy the 
> Document to a USB drive and take it down to the local Library and use 
> their MSO and Printer to print my Document.
> 
> No Problem.

On this. I had very weird experience last week with an online form from an
large internationally recognised organisation that refused to accept a docx
created in LO as an upload. Once opened and saved through Word it worked
just fine. 

I can't even think what check the online form would be doing to refuse a
file like that. 

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#16600

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> On this. I had very weird experience last week with an online form from an
> large internationally recognised organisation that refused to accept a docx
> created in LO as an upload. Once opened and saved through Word it worked
> just fine. 
> 
> I can't even think what check the online form would be doing to refuse a
> file like that. 

  I know very little about this and hardly use any .doc[x] files, but as
far as I know, there's meta-data in such files as to which program and
version made the file, file-version information, etc.. I.e. like the
EXIF meta-data for JPEG files.

  Example, not .doc[x] but .xls, (Windows) Explorer says "Microsoft
Excel 97-2003 Worksheet" for my latest yearly bank statement. As this is
a bank-generated file, the meta-data is probably stripped, because the
(Properties -> 'Details' tab) 'Origin' fields such as 'Program name' are
empty.

  You may want to have a look at what the 'Origin' fields of your LO
generated file says, versus that of the Word generated one.

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#16310

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 14:30:06 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
> familiar with M$ Office versions.

I've been using LO for some time now and I use(d) it to make reports of
meetings and share it with collegues. I just saved it as .DOC or .DOCX
or simply as .PDF. Never had any complaints.

-- 
s|b

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#16316

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
> 
> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, 
> she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
> 
> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
> familiar with M$ Office versions.
> 
> Thanks.

My company laptop has Office 2010 as it's base core with bits and pieces 
of updates to 2012, 2016, 2019, and I don't remember what else.
I have access to 365 cloud subscription via work but rarely use it.
2016 is required to work with the company's version of Outlook.
I also have 2003 on the laptop which co-exists reasonable well with the 
newer versions after some editing of the registry.  I prefer the 2003 
ribbon and do not like the ribbons seen in the newer versions.

If I had to pick one it would be Office 2019.  Make sure the version 
that you would want has all the parts that you need.  Some come with 
Outlook and Access and some don't.  In my case Office MUST be MS Office. 
  Can't help with Español version.

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#16320

On 1/15/2025 8:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> a friend asks me what M$ Office to get.
> 
> She doesn't like the one that has to renew the license (pay) every year, 
> she rather wants a permanent one, and cheap if possible.
> 
> What options would you recommend? Country is Spain, so offers on shops 
> are not feasible, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> Of course I suggested LO, but she has to share files with coworkers and 
> will not do. She es not a geek. But what I use is LO, so I am not 
> familiar with M$ Office versions.
> 
     I see that she decided to try LO. That should be fine as long
as she doesn't need to work on a file together with others. DOCX
is pretty much supported, as is DOC.

   If she has to buy MSO, buy the cheapest real software available.
There should be no need to buy the latest. Avoid MSO 365. Of course,
there are the usual problems of cloud. But also, I was just reading
that MS are warning people on Win10 that MSO 365 will go unsupported
this year. It will still run, but they could change something at any time
to break in on Win10. As someone still using Paint Shop Pro 5 from
1999, and Visual Studio 6 from 1998, I can't imagine installing a program
that pretends to be online and then spies and might break at any time.

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#16333

Newyana2 wrote on 1/15/25 2:07 PM:
> There should be no need to buy the latest. Avoid MSO 365. Of course,
> there are the usual problems of cloud. But also, I was just reading
> that MS are warning people on Win10 that MSO 365 will go unsupported
> this year. 
MSO aka M365 is supported until 2029
Office 2024 0 stand-alone Home or Home/Business is supported until 2029.

End of support for Office applies to:
1. Volume licensed versions of Office 2019, Office 2016, Office 2013, 
Office 2010, and Office 2007.
2.Perpetual versions - stand-alone Home and Home and Business through 
Office 2019
3. Microsoft 365 Apps(Enterprise plans)

The following table shows the end of support dates for older versions of 
Office.
Office version	End of support date
Office 2019	October 14, 2025
Office 2016	October 14, 2025
Office 2013	April 11, 2023
Office 2010	October 13, 2020
Office 2007	October 10, 2017

End of support does not mean end of use(as you noted)
  - just no program or security updates

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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16340

On 1/16/2025 12:35 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote on 1/15/25 2:07 PM:
>> There should be no need to buy the latest. Avoid MSO 365. Of course,
>> there are the usual problems of cloud. But also, I was just reading
>> that MS are warning people on Win10 that MSO 365 will go unsupported
>> this year. 
> MSO aka M365 is supported until 2029

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support

    It's expected to keep running, but it will no longer be
supported on Win10. If MS changes their server
config to break something on Win10 (woops!) that's legit in
accord with their announcement. No promises. It's a perfect
example of why people should avoid cloud. The software is still
installed locally, but it depends on the rental company being
able to access it and accessing their server.

   So why pay rental when one can buy an older version of
the real product for little more than a couple of months rent?

   There can also be hidden issues with rental. For example, when
Adobe made PS rental-only they started storing files online by
default. Anyone who didn't know to make copies in public formats
locally would lose all their work if they ended the rental.... And of
course, rental costs more in the long run. That's the whole point
of rental software. These products are mature, so there's little
incentive to buy the latest copy.

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#16350

Newyana2 wrote on 1/16/25 7:05 AM:
> On 1/16/2025 12:35 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Newyana2 wrote on 1/15/25 2:07 PM:
>>> There should be no need to buy the latest. Avoid MSO 365. Of course,
>>> there are the usual problems of cloud. But also, I was just reading
>>> that MS are warning people on Win10 that MSO 365 will go unsupported
>>> this year. 
>> MSO aka M365 is supported until 2029
> 
> https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support 
> 
> 
>     It's expected to keep running, but it will no longer be
> supported on Win10. If MS changes their server
> config to break something on Win10 (woops!) that's legit in
> accord with their announcement. No promises. It's a perfect
> example of why people should avoid cloud. The software is still
> installed locally, but it depends on the rental company being
> able to access it and accessing their server.
> 
>    So why pay rental when one can buy an older version of
> the real product for little more than a couple of months rent?
> 
>    There can also be hidden issues with rental. For example, when
> Adobe made PS rental-only they started storing files online by
> default. Anyone who didn't know to make copies in public formats
> locally would lose all their work if they ended the rental.... And of
> course, rental costs more in the long run. That's the whole point
> of rental software. These products are mature, so there's little
> incentive to buy the latest copy.

Sounds like the same old song and dance.
   The 'what if they do' fear based replies has occurred after end of 
support for Office and Windows - Office(2007-2013)supported for 10 yrs, 
Office(2016-2019) supported for 9 and 5 respectively coinciding with EOL 
for Windows 10(ten years of support).
It's no secret(an has been a given) for every single Office and Windows 
version(since Office 95 and Windows 95)...support timeline is and has 
always been finite.

  The cloud ? - Office and Windows have been cloud integrated for some 
time, beginning in 2007.
  - Office 2007 initially with SkyDrive(now OneDrive) and the optional 
Social Connector. All Office versions thereafter. Office 2013 and later 
all require a MSA sign to retain activation and use all of the products 
available features, though initial installation and activation for 
retail(perpetual version) can be accomplished using the gate-way product 
key included with the software(Gateway key authorizes the ability to 
install and activate, the real product key is stored on MSFT servers and 
used/reverified with any subsequent reinstalls(same or transfer to 
another device). If installed and activated with a MSA, the key is also 
available in the online MSA.

More on integration
- Windows since 2008 (MSFT account sign-in, OneDrive, Windows Essentials 
2008). Support for OneDrive in Win7,8.8.1 ended in 2022(14 yrs for 
Windows 7!).

Doesn't matter how many times one complains or opines(what if, etc) about 
EOS, the current perspective is the same as the past - lifecycle for 
software support has a finite end date.

Using and older Office version?
   Same condition - if past EOS, support ended on known date.
   i.e. For version 2007 to 2013, support ended; for 2016-2019 support 
ends in Oct. 2025.

What has changed(more so consistent)
  Office 2021 and Office 2024 have a five year support windows(2026, 2029 
respectively)
  - consistent with Office 2019 5+ yr EOS finite date(coincidental with 
Windows 10 EOS).


The same old song and dance, what-if scenario...and destined to be 
repeated after the release of next Office(2027) and Windows 12(? or 
whatever it's named).
  ==> and no matter how much tweaking is done locally, Windows and Office 
is still cloud connected/integrated...and that will not change and 
continue(pretty much forever when using Office or Windows)

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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

> 
> The same old song and dance, what-if scenario...

   You're missing the main point. Installed software does not have
to be online-connected and can be used as long as one likes.
MSO 365 goes unsupported in October. The whole point of the
announcement was to say, "Don't blame us if you use MSO 365
on Win10 and it breaks."

   So MSO 365 is a dumb idea to begin with. But it's especially
a bad idea for anyone running Win10 and sticking with it.

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