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  picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 23:17 -0800
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> - 2025-01-12 08:50 +0000
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 01:38 -0800
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 03:12 -0800
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 11:36 +0000
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:42 -0800
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 22:34 +0000
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-13 09:53 -0700
          Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 15:32 -0800
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2025-01-12 13:16 +0000
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 13:34 -0800
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:31 -0800
          Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 21:34 -0500
            Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 19:58 -0800
              Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:16 -0500
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-12 08:29 -0500
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:43 -0800
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 08:56 -0500
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:48 -0800
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-12 16:31 +0000
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:47 -0800
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-12 21:11 +0000
          Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 13:28 -0800
            Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 15:33 +0000
              Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 15:34 -0800
                Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:17 -0800
                  Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 19:32 -0500
                    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:45 -0800
                Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 15:06 +0000
                  Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:08 -0800
                    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-18 13:25 +0000
                      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 07:04 -0800
          Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 13:31 -0800
            Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 22:30 -0500
              Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:01 -0800
            Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 15:34 +0000
              Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 13:54 -0500
    Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Tony <noreply@ghtyhgfrt.com> - 2025-01-13 00:26 +0000
      Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:04 -0800
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 00:54 -0500
        Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:07 +0000
          Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 14:05 -0500
            Re: picture gallery programs that read cameras? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 20:31 +0000

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#16218 — picture gallery programs that read cameras?

Hi All,

A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
to read his digital camera.

Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.

I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
(Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
read it.

Anyone have a recommendation for something that
actually works?

Many thanks,
-T

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#16219

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.
> 
> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
> 
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
> 
> 

Why not just install Linux for your customers?

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#16220

On 1/12/25 12:50 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>> to read his digital camera.
>>
>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>
>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>> read it.
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>> actually works?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>>
>>
> 
> Why not just install Linux for your customers?


Linux would not run the programs he needed.

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#16221

On 1/12/25 1:38 AM, T wrote:
> On 1/12/25 12:50 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>>> to read his digital camera.
>>>
>>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>>
>>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>>> read it.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>>> actually works?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why not just install Linux for your customers?
> 
> 
> Linux would not run the programs he needed.

He is running a lot of Windows critical programs
that do not run in Wine

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#16222

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.

Can you be more specific? What do you mean "read the camera "? Just photos
or something else?

Does it have to be the camera or can he insert the SD card in a reader on
the PC?

> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
> 
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?

The Windows Photos app?

> Many thanks,
> -T
> 
> 

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#16232

On 1/12/25 3:36 AM, Chris wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>> to read his digital camera.
> 
> Can you be more specific? What do you mean "read the camera "? Just photos
> or something else?

MTP devices.

> Does it have to be the camera or can he insert the SD card in a reader on
> the PC?

I was not on site.  And he did not have an SD reader.

>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>
>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>> read it.
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>> actually works?
> 
> The Windows Photos app?

Did not try.

> 
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#16241

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/12/25 3:36 AM, Chris wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>>> to read his digital camera.
>> 
>> Can you be more specific? What do you mean "read the camera "? Just photos
>> or something else?
> 
> MTP devices.

So, just photos?

>> Does it have to be the camera or can he insert the SD card in a reader on
>> the PC?
> 
> I was not on site.  And he did not have an SD reader.

I would recommend getting a reader. Super cheap, requires no (proprietary)
cables and any photo app will work. 

>>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>> 
>>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>>> read it.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>>> actually works?
>> 
>> The Windows Photos app?
> 
> Did not try.

Give it a go. The user might prefer something built-in. 

>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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#16258

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:42:04 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/12/25 3:36 AM, Chris wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>>> to read his digital camera.
>> 
>> Can you be more specific? What do you mean "read the camera "? Just photos
>> or something else?
>
>MTP devices.
>
>> Does it have to be the camera or can he insert the SD card in a reader on
>> the PC?
>
>I was not on site.  And he did not have an SD reader.


It's not necessary to have a built-in SD reader. If he has a USB port,
buying a USB SD reader is very inexpensive. That's what I use. I don't
have a built-in SD reader.

And your being on-site isn't necessary. Use TeamViewer.

>>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>>
>>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>>> read it.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>>> actually works?
>> 
>> The Windows Photos app?
>
>Did not try.
>
>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> 

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#16272

On 1/13/25 8:53 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> If he has a USB port,
> buying a USB SD reader is very inexpensive.

Until he has one, it does not matter.  The camera is
old.  I do not even know if it has an sd card.

I created a work around for him that is really
simple.  He is happy.

The purpose of the question was the next time this
happens, I need a Gallery Program that actually
will import from an MTP device.

I use AnyDesk and Help Wire.   Help Wire is
in test phase and a lot of stuff is not
implements, but what is, I really like.
AnyDesk is good too, but has spotty Linux
support.

TeamViewer is really, really expensive, but
does work well too.

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#16223

On 12/01/2025 07:17:14, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.
>
> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do 
slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does 
so much more.
Faststone Image Viewer
https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm

-- 
mick

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#16239

On 1/12/25 5:16 AM, mick wrote:
> On 12/01/2025 07:17:14, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>> to read his digital camera.
>>
>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>
>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>> read it.
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>> actually works?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
> 
> For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do 
> slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does so 
> much more.
> Faststone Image Viewer
> https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
> 

Mi Mike,

That look perfect!   Thank you!

-T

Can't wait to try it out!  I wonder if qemu-kvm's
passthough USB will work with it.

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#16240

On 1/12/25 1:34 PM, T wrote:
>>
>> For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do 
>> slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does 
>> so much more.
>> Faststone Image Viewer
>> https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
>>
> 
> Mi Mike,
> 
> That look perfect!   Thank you!
> 
> -T
> 
> Can't wait to try it out!  I wonder if qemu-kvm's
> passthough USB will work with it.

qemu-kvm passed my phone through, but neither
Windows Explorer (which could only see its icon)
or Fast Stone could read it.   This is not unusual
for qemu-kvm though.  Rats.

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#16243

On Sun, 1/12/2025 5:31 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/12/25 1:34 PM, T wrote:
>>>
>>> For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does so much more.
>>> Faststone Image Viewer
>>> https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
>>>
>>
>> Mi Mike,
>>
>> That look perfect!   Thank you!
>>
>> -T
>>
>> Can't wait to try it out!  I wonder if qemu-kvm's
>> passthough USB will work with it.
> 
> qemu-kvm passed my phone through, but neither
> Windows Explorer (which could only see its icon)
> or Fast Stone could read it.   This is not unusual
> for qemu-kvm though.  Rats.

So virtualbox passthru would work ?

   Paul

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#16245

On 1/12/25 6:34 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 1/12/2025 5:31 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/12/25 1:34 PM, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does so much more.
>>>> Faststone Image Viewer
>>>> https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mi Mike,
>>>
>>> That look perfect!   Thank you!
>>>
>>> -T
>>>
>>> Can't wait to try it out!  I wonder if qemu-kvm's
>>> passthough USB will work with it.
>>
>> qemu-kvm passed my phone through, but neither
>> Windows Explorer (which could only see its icon)
>> or Fast Stone could read it.   This is not unusual
>> for qemu-kvm though.  Rats.
> 
> So virtualbox passthru would work ?
> 
>     Paul

No idea.  Don't you have virtualbox?

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#16248

On Sun, 1/12/2025 10:58 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/12/25 6:34 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On Sun, 1/12/2025 5:31 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 1/12/25 1:34 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For windows and free.  Will import/read from cameras.  Will do slideshows of images or video or a combination of both.  Plus it does so much more.
>>>>> Faststone Image Viewer
>>>>> https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> That look perfect!   Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>> Can't wait to try it out!  I wonder if qemu-kvm's
>>>> passthough USB will work with it.
>>>
>>> qemu-kvm passed my phone through, but neither
>>> Windows Explorer (which could only see its icon)
>>> or Fast Stone could read it.   This is not unusual
>>> for qemu-kvm though.  Rats.
>>
>> So virtualbox passthru would work ?
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> No idea.  Don't you have virtualbox?

Not every virtualization tool has good passthru.
Hyper-V for example, only has it for "certain classes".
It's kind of a behavioral passthru in that case.

The Virtualbox USB passthru is at the packet level.
It doesn't matter what the device type is, you set a
packet filter for a certain device, and all the packets
from that, go to the Guest OS. That's why you would
select VirtualBox for a job requiring "passthru of everything
USB".

There were a few virtualization tools in the past,
that had no attempt at passthru at all.

Virtualbox also has some things that it is bad at.

It's not a level playing field.

But sometimes, there can be reasons for crafting a
Guest as a one-off, just for that passthru thing.
For example, I have prepared USB boot sticks, using
a specific Guest and tool for the job.

   Paul

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#16224

On 01/12/2025 2:17 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.
> 
> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
> 
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
> 
Could you give examples of what you mean read the camera.

Do you mean automatically download pictures from the camera?  If so this 
could be done with a simple DOS batch file.

Read the Image Information, EXIF info and read and write the IPTC info? 
If so Irfanview can do this.

Give us more infromation on what you want.

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#16233

On 1/12/25 5:29 AM, knuttle wrote:
> Could you give examples of what you mean read the camera.

Two of them find the camera, but can not import picture from it.

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#16225

On Sun, 1/12/2025 2:17 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.
> 
> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
> 
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
> 

Does the camera have "permissions" on its end
or a security scheme ?

Some mobile devices, the user has to "Swipe and enable
something", before DCIM is visible or some ugly
protocol like MTP works.

Maybe the camera is similarly endowed and is Android
in disguise.

My USB Mass storage camera still works, but it seems
a fraction of a second slower to start.

As a debug step, I would start with a device known
to not have a local permission slider and see if that
picks up OK or not. It could be that the particular
camera is more security-conscious.

There are some camera devices which are Wifi, and don't
even need to be wired up. But then there is the potential
of more setup steps.

and you don't need a Wifi router, for a Wifi-enabled
camera. Just a Wifi add-on to the client PC is enough,
since Windows has a "mobile hot spot" that allows
point-to-point Wifi from client PC to Wifi peripheral.
You can also run TCP/IP networking over Bluetooth,
but that is not practical in any sense of the word.
At least that part of the stack works now.

   Paul

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#16235

On 1/12/25 5:56 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 1/12/2025 2:17 AM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
>> to read his digital camera.
>>
>> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
>>
>> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
>> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
>> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
>> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
>> read it.
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
>> actually works?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>>
> 
> Does the camera have "permissions" on its end
> or a security scheme ?
> 
> Some mobile devices, the user has to "Swipe and enable
> something", before DCIM is visible or some ugly
> protocol like MTP works.
> 
> Maybe the camera is similarly endowed and is Android
> in disguise.
> 
> My USB Mass storage camera still works, but it seems
> a fraction of a second slower to start.
> 
> As a debug step, I would start with a device known
> to not have a local permission slider and see if that
> picks up OK or not. It could be that the particular
> camera is more security-conscious.
> 
> There are some camera devices which are Wifi, and don't
> even need to be wired up. But then there is the potential
> of more setup steps.
> 
> and you don't need a Wifi router, for a Wifi-enabled
> camera. Just a Wifi add-on to the client PC is enough,
> since Windows has a "mobile hot spot" that allows
> point-to-point Wifi from client PC to Wifi peripheral.
> You can also run TCP/IP networking over Bluetooth,
> but that is not practical in any sense of the word.
> At least that part of the stack works now.
> 
>     Paul


Plug the charging cord into the camera, turn the camera
on, Windows explorer reads the DICM directory fine.

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#16227

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A customer was looking for a picture gallery program
> to read his digital camera.

  As *he* looks for such a program for *his* camera (singular),  I
suggest he or you does/do exactly that. Most if not all camera
manufacturers have such programs for their cameras. I have them for my
old Olympus cameras and for my current Nikon DSLR.

  Such programs are manufacturer specific and 'know' the camera, more
than any general purpose program can.

  OTOH, if you are looking for a solution for multiple customers or/and
multiple brands/models of cameras, a general purpose program is probably
better.

> Windows Explorer reads his camera just fine.
> 
> I tried Gigikam, Darktable, and Shotwell. They would
> not read his camera properly.  Shotwell did not even try.
> (Shotwell and cameras work like a dream in Linux.)
> Gigikam, Darktable found the camera but would not
> read it.
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for something that
> actually works?

  Chris mentioned the Windows Photos app. That has a camera button/icon.
I tried it with my smartphone acting as a PTP camera, but that was a bit
messy because it did not only get photos from the camera (DCIM\Camera),
but also all kinds of other images, screenshots, etc.. Can't be bothered
to try it with an actual camera.

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