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  Editing PDF files "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 21:24 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:45 +0100
      Re: Editing PDF files knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-29 17:13 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:43 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:49 -0700
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:21 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:20 +0100
          Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:44 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:07 -0700
          Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:46 +0200
            Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 18:10 +0100
              Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:35 -0400
              Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 20:34 +0200
                Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 06:07 -1100
                  Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 19:49 +0200
                    Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 08:24 -1100
                      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:59 +0200
                        Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 20:11 -0400
            Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:46 -0700
              Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:39 +0200
                Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:18 -0700
    Re: Editing PDF files PDF Files <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 21:05 +0100
    Re: Editing PDF files Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2026-09-29 18:26 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 16:51 -0700
        Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0200
          Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:47 -0700
            Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:40 +0200
              Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:19 -0700
      Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:27 +0100
        Re: Editing PDF files T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 20:56 -0700
          Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 00:34 -0400
    Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:30 +0100
        Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:26 -0400
        Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:55 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-09-29 22:45 -0500
      Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:23 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:23 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:05 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 18:53 +0100
      Re: Editing PDF files "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:40 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:09 -0400
          Re: Editing PDF files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:21 +0000
            Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 20:30 +0200
              Re: Editing PDF files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:58 +0000
                Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:42 +0200
              Re: Editing PDF files knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-01 21:35 -0400
                Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:56 +0200
              Re: Editing PDF files "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-02 16:12 +0200
                Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 19:50 +0200
                  Re: Editing PDF files "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:57 +0200
                    Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:34 +0200
                      Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 20:19 -0400
              Re: Editing PDF files Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 17:54 +0000
    Re: Editing PDF files Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 06:53 +0000
      Re: Editing PDF files Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 07:34 +0000
      Re: Editing PDF files Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:58 +0100
        Re: Editing PDF files knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 09:30 -0400
          Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:36 -0400
            Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 06:29 -1100
          Re: Editing PDF files PDF Files <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:17 +0100
            Re: Editing PDF files knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 16:07 -0400
            Re: Editing PDF files "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 01:59 +0100
              Re: Editing PDF files Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 06:57 +0000
          Re: Editing PDF files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:26 +0000
        Re: Editing PDF files VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-09-30 13:25 -0500
          Re: Editing PDF files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:39 +0000
          Re: Editing PDF files Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 20:26 +0000
    Re: Editing PDF files Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2026-09-30 10:48 +0100
      Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:50 -0400
        Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:11 +0200
          Re: Editing PDF files "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 13:44 -0400
    Re: Editing PDF files Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-30 11:14 +0100
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:12 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> - 2026-09-30 12:24 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 16:08 -0400
      Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:13 +0200
        Re: Editing PDF files Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 09:52 -0400
          Re: Editing PDF files "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 20:33 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files Arkadiusz 'Black Fox' Artyszuk <asdfadsasdfa@atomicmail.io> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0200
    Re: Editing PDF files Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 05:37 -1100

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#35489

On 2026-09-30 06:23, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 9/29/2026 3:24 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> A friend (a teacher) has a problem with PDF files.
>>
>> Management sends her files in PDF format which she is supposed to edit and fill with names and data and send back. I asked chatgpt and Word can directly edit PDF files, with some limitations. I don't have word (nor she unless she pays it herlself), so I can't try myself. Management does not supply the employees with software nor laptops. Some cheek.
>>
>> The Libre Office method is open in LO Draw, select the text, and copy to a new LO Writer document. But each line is separate, text doesn't flow.
>>
>> I wonder if there is a better or easier method.
>>
> 
> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .

It does.

It even has some script support.

> 
> Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, "in theory", can fill out a
> form, but it is a bloated whale of a thing with brokenness
> at the moment. They're too busy breaking it, to be interested
> in their users. I no longer have that installed on C: here,
> I gave up on it. Too much evil.
> 

Right. My feelings too.

> Via version numbers, a recently created form.pdf would
> not be able to be opened by things like Acrobat Reader 9,
> so you cannot rely on older versions of a thing, to get
> around the Adobe Reader DC mess.
> 
> I can't even find a program to "classify" the files. The
> Linux file command, treats them all the same, by just
> sniffing the PDF string at the top of the file, rather than
> looking inside the file. This means I can't scan my disk for
> samples of form.pdf type files.
> 

maybe pdfinfo?

cer@Laicolasse:~> pdfinfo sample.pdf
Creator:         Mozilla Firefox 140.13.0
Producer:        cairo 1.18.0 (https://cairographics.org)
CreationDate:    Fri Aug 28 18:02:33 2026 CEST
Custom Metadata: no
Metadata Stream: no
Tagged:          no
UserProperties:  no
Suspects:        no
Form:            none
JavaScript:      no
Pages:           9
Encrypted:       no
Page size:       596 x 842 pts (A4)
Page rot:        0
File size:       4790877 bytes
Optimized:       no
PDF version:     1.7
cer@Laicolasse:~>


> Some documents need the Javascript interpreter in Acrobat Reader
> to be turned on. This applies to things like government forms
> that have a "sanitizing" feature for actively checking what
> you enter in a box, and complaining about the format you enter.

Yes, i have seen those. I hope they are not using those.

> 
> And it goes downhill from there. Lots of tools only handle
> plain PDFs and not the other types.
> 
>     Paul


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35537

On 2026/10/1 12:5:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 06:23, Paul wrote:
[]
>> Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, "in theory", can fill out a
>> form, but it is a bloated whale of a thing with brokenness
>> at the moment. They're too busy breaking it, to be interested
>> in their users. I no longer have that installed on C: here,
>> I gave up on it. Too much evil.
>>
My feelings too. I keep Acrobat Reader 2020, but only for its
booklet-printing ability (easier to use than the one inherent to my
printer driver), and 5.0 (can't remember why); my daily driver for PDFs
is Foxit Reader 5.0. But I don't do any editing. (If I'm in Edge
already, and a web page gives me a link to a PDF, I open it in Edge.)

[]
>> Some documents need the Javascript interpreter in Acrobat Reader
>> to be turned on. This applies to things like government forms
>> that have a "sanitizing" feature for actively checking what
>> you enter in a box, and complaining about the format you enter.

You're lucky, getting such complaints. UK government forms are fussy
about the format too, but don't _tell_ you what you've done wrong - they
just sit there sullenly, not proceeding. (Actually I've mostly come
across this on web pages, but I suspect PDF forms would do the same.)
For example, if I need to enter a number in the form dddd dddd dddd dddd
and try to do that, I get to dddd dddd dddd d - and then it won't go any
further; it's only because I've encountered the problem before that I
know it doesn't want the spaces, i. e. I have to enter dddddddddddddddd.
Which is harder to check against where I'm copying it from - such as a
credit card, or my V11 car tax reminder form, _where the number is
printed /with/ the spaces_.

> 
> Yes, i have seen those. I hope they are not using those.
> 
>>
>> And it goes downhill from there. Lots of tools only handle
>> plain PDFs and not the other types.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> 
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by
those who don't have it. --George Bernard Shaw

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#35524

On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
8< snip >8

I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.

-- 
Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
		- Julius Caesar

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#35541

On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
> 8< snip >8
> 
> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
> 

I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).

On a vanilla document, your options are a bit more complicated.
And our objective here, is to come up with a recipe that
is easy to use. A science experiment is not the objective,
as much fun as that would be.

PDF have a binary and a text option. However, the
text conversion typically only works on a portion
of the document. The fonts are stubbornly binary.
And they're embedded subset fonts, and do not
contribute to a workflow at all (they're a barrier
to editing). Most of the newer options in PDF,
are just there to break things, as you would expect.
You would be very lucky today, to have a (string) with
a Tj as in this example. This document is the soul of
simplicity, because it was hand generated (by someone).

******************** Yet another hello.pdf **************************
%PDF-1.2
1 0 obj
<<
/Type /Page
/Parent 5 0 R
/Resources 3 0 R
/Contents 2 0 R
>>
endobj
2 0 obj
<<
/Length 51                      <=== A forward declaration of the stream length
>>                                   These are part of keeping humans at bay...
stream
BT
/F1 24 Tf
1 0 0 1 260 254 Tm
(Hello World)Tj                 <=== This is how we keep text on a bearing line
ET
endstream
endobj
3 0 obj
<<
/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]
/Font <</F1 4 0 R >>
>>
endobj
4 0 obj
<<
/Type /Font
/Subtype /Type1
/Name /F1
/BaseFont/Helvetica            <=== Relies on the viewer-prog having Helvetica (in correct format).
>>                                  Modern docs have embedded subset fonts (to disable "editing").
endobj
5 0 obj
<<
/Type /Pages
/Kids [ 1 0 R ]
/Count 1
/MediaBox
[ 0 0 612 446 ]
>>
endobj
6 0 obj
<<
/Type /Catalog
/Pages 5 0 R
>>
endobj
trailer
<<
/Root 6 0 R
>>
******************** Yet another hello.pdf **************************

   Paul

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#35542

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
> > 
> >> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
> > 8< snip >8
> > 
> > I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
> 
> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).

  For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
system(s).

[...]

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#35543

On 2026-10-01 20:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
>>> 8< snip >8
>>>
>>> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
>>
>> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
>> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
>> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).
> 
>    For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
> she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
> system(s).
> 
> [...]

Besides Edge, she has Chrome and Firefox.

I installed FFx because she complained about too many adverts in some 
web pages. So FFx + Ublock origin.

I installed Chrome because that's the easiest when using Google for 
Groups. She is most familiar with this one.

I don't think she uses Edge except by accident.


She says she is going to install Word, she is finding LO hard to get 
used to. However, the only computer provided by her employer for the 
teachers in that school has LO, not Word.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35557

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-10-01 20:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
> >>> 8< snip >8
> >>>
> >>> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
> >>
> >> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
> >> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
> >> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).
> > 
> >    For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
> > she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
> > system(s).
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> Besides Edge, she has Chrome and Firefox.
> 
> I installed FFx because she complained about too many adverts in some 
> web pages. So FFx + Ublock origin.
> 
> I installed Chrome because that's the easiest when using Google for 
> Groups. She is most familiar with this one.
> 
> I don't think she uses Edge except by accident.

  Thanks. I didn't know/realize that you were her Administrator. But I
should have guessed! :-)

> She says she is going to install Word, she is finding LO hard to get 
> used to. However, the only computer provided by her employer for the 
> teachers in that school has LO, not Word.

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#35564

On 2026-10-01 20:58, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-10-01 20:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
>>>>> 8< snip >8
>>>>>
>>>>> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
>>>>
>>>> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
>>>> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
>>>> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).
>>>
>>>     For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
>>> she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
>>> system(s).
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> Besides Edge, she has Chrome and Firefox.
>>
>> I installed FFx because she complained about too many adverts in some
>> web pages. So FFx + Ublock origin.
>>
>> I installed Chrome because that's the easiest when using Google for
>> Groups. She is most familiar with this one.
>>
>> I don't think she uses Edge except by accident.
> 
>    Thanks. I didn't know/realize that you were her Administrator. But I
> should have guessed! :-)

:-)

Friendly administrator, I don't have any official relationship. But yes, 
I bought her laptop, and did all the initialization.

> 
>> She says she is going to install Word, she is finding LO hard to get
>> used to. However, the only computer provided by her employer for the
>> teachers in that school has LO, not Word.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35580

On 10/01/2026 2:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-01 20:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
>>>> 8< snip >8
>>>>
>>>> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
>>>
>>> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
>>> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
>>> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).
>>
>>    For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
>> she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
>> system(s).
>>
>> [...]
> 
> Besides Edge, she has Chrome and Firefox.
> 
> I installed FFx because she complained about too many adverts in some 
> web pages. So FFx + Ublock origin.
> 
> I installed Chrome because that's the easiest when using Google for 
> Groups. She is most familiar with this one.
> 
> I don't think she uses Edge except by accident.
> 
> 
> She says she is going to install Word, she is finding LO hard to get 
> used to. However, the only computer provided by her employer for the 
> teachers in that school has LO, not Word.
> 
If you really want to mess her up install word and try to teach her 
about the ribbon menu labyrinth

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#35594

On 2026-10-02 03:35, knuttle wrote:
> On 10/01/2026 2:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:


> If you really want to mess her up install word and try to teach her 
> about the ribbon menu labyrinth

She has been using word for 6 years now.



-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35610

On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 20:30:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I installed FFx

Fx

(-;

-- 
Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
		- Julius Caesar

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#35625

On 2026-10-02 16:12, s|b wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 20:30:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> I installed FFx
> 
> Fx
> 
> (-;

Heh. Nope, FFx is preferred.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35633

On Fri, 2 Oct 2026 19:50:17 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-10-02 16:12, s|b wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 20:30:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > 
> >> I installed FFx
> > 
> > Fx
> > 
> > (-;

> Heh. Nope, FFx is preferred.

You're the first one who I've seen abbreviating it like that. But
actually Fx or fx is preferred.

<https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>

| 8. How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
| 
| Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.) The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".

-- 
Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
		- Julius Caesar

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#35639

On 2026-10-02 20:57, s|b wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2026 19:50:17 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-10-02 16:12, s|b wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 20:30:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I installed FFx
>>>
>>> Fx
>>>
>>> (-;
> 
>> Heh. Nope, FFx is preferred.
> 
> You're the first one who I've seen abbreviating it like that. But
> actually Fx or fx is preferred.

I saw FFx recommended in the Firefox group (alt.comp.software.firefox),

> 
> <https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>
> 
> | 8. How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
> |
> | Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.) The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35648

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I saw FFx recommended in the Firefox group (alt.comp.software.firefox),

Here's my latest pdfchart for freeware that we've tested on this ng.

It's hard to fit each entry only on a single line, so there are a lot of
abbreviations below, similar to what you did with FF or FFox above.

 C:\software\editors\pspdf\pdfchart.txt

Known free PDF editors discussed on comp.text.editors 
 [x] Add text to pdf (IV or Paint.NET plugins + Ghostscript, pdfgear)
 [x] Print booklet format (pdfbook, pdfbooklet, enbooken, acrobat reader)
 [x] Add or concatenate pages (pdftk, acrobat payware)
 [x] Add signature (Adobe Reader, PDFgear)
 [x] Archive sites (wkhtmltopdf, Acrobat payware,fastone scroll capture)
 [x] Compress PDFs (ImageMagick, PDFgear, rlvision)
 [x] Convert PDF to MSOffice (PDFgear, Calibre for MS Word only)
 [x] Convert PDF to MSWord (Calibre, PDFgear)
 [x] Convert PDF to epub format (Calibre)
 [x] Convert PDF to PostScript (Calibre, Poppler)
 [x] Converts PDFs to HTML (poppler)
 [x] Convert PDF to raster (Imagemagick,GhostScript,Poppler-pdftocairo)
 [x] Convert PDF to vector (Inkscape, Poppler-pdftocairo)
 [x] Converts PDFs to PPM/PGM/PBM image formats (poppler)
 [x] Minor text editing (Adobe Reader commenting, PDF-XChange Editor)
 [x] Generate PDF using markup language (LaTeX via pdfTeX or LuaTeX)
 [x] Embeds files into a PDF as attachments (poppler) 
 [x] Extract images (PDFExchangeEditor,PDF Shaper,PDFgear,poppler,muPDF)
 [x] Extract text (poppler) or mine textual & metadata (pdfminersix)
 [x] Extracts embedded files (attachments) from a PDF (poppler)
 [x] Fastest PDF readers (Sumatra or Foxit)
 [x] Globally search & replace PDF text (Libre Office)
 [x] List fonts used in a PDF (poppler)
 [x] Metadata display on command line (poppler)
 [x] Metadata removal (LibreOffice Writer, PDFgear offline)
 [x] OCR, PDF-Xchange, freeOCR (paperfile.net), GOCR (jocr.sourceforge.net)
 [x] Offline encrypt PDF with a password (pdfencrypt)
 [x] Online shrink PDF <adobe.com/acrobat/online/compress-pdf.html>
 [x] PDF text to audio file (Balabolka)
 [x] Delete pages (pdfsam, pdftk, PDF-XChange Editor, PDF Arranger)
 [x] Renumber pages (Acrobat Reader)
 [x] Reorder pages (pdftk, PDF-XChange Editor, PDF Arranger)
 [x] Rotate pages (pdftk, mutool, PDF-XChange Editor, PDF Arranger)
 [x] Remove restrictions (Ghostscript,Ghostview,ps2edit,pdfwrite,pdf2djvu)
 [x] Separates a PDF into individual pages (poppler)
 [x] Split PDFs (PDFgear, Poppler, Ghostscript) 
 [x] Merge PDFs (pdfsam, pdftk, PDFgear, Poppler, Ghostscript) 
 [x] Tile PDFs (i.e., to print large posters) (Posterazor)
 [x] Redact sensitive information (PDF-Xchange Editor, Adobe Acrobat Pro)
 [x] Add watermarks or background layers (pdftk, PDFgear, PDFsam)
 [x] Add bookmarks/TOC (jpdfbookmarks, LaTeX(hyperref), PDF-ExchangeEditor
 [x] Flatten form fields (Ghostscript, Acrobat Pro)
 [x] Embed audio/video into PDFs (Acrobat Pro, LaTeX (media9 package)
 [x] Generate PDF from Markdown or HTML (Pandoc, wkhtmltopdf)
 [x] Create fillable forms (LibreOffice Draw, Scribus, LaTeX (AcroTeX))
 [x] Fill out active & passive (flat) PDF form fields (pdfgear)
 [x] Batch rename, convert, split, etc. (PDFsam, Poppler, Ghostscript)
 [x] Extract annotations/comments (PDF-XChange Editor, Adobe Acrobat)
 [x] Convert to OCR (Tesseract OCR, PDF-Xchange, ABBYY FineReader)
 [x] Add hyperlinks & buttons (LibreOffice,LaTeX,PDF-XChange Editor)
 [x] Compare two PDFs side-by-side (DiffPDF, Acrobat Pro)
 [x] Digitally sign with certificate-based signature (Foxit PDF Editor)
 [x] Free PDF samples 
     <https://examplefile.com/document/pdf>
     <https://onlinetestcase.com/pdf-file/>
     <https://sample-files.com/documents/pdf/>
     <https://graydart.com/sample/documents/pdf>
     <https://freetestdata.com/document-files/pdf/>
     <https://getsamplefiles.com/sample-document-files/pdf>
     <https://learningcontainer.com/sample-pdf-files-for-testing/>
 [?] What other tasks do you do to edit or modify a PDF file?
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#35627

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-10-01 20:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10/1/2026 11:40 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 00:23:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Apparently Firefox browser can fill a form.pdf .
>>>> 8< snip >8
>>>> 
>>>> I was about to suggest this, but I wasn't sure.
>>> 
>>> I tested it, on my sample Acroform document and
>>> modern Firefox filled the boxes OK. I didn't test the whole
>>> cycle though (save and reopen elsewhere).
>> 
>> For Carlos' teacher friend, it makes more sense to test in Edge, as
>> she's unlikely to have (a need for) an extra browser on her/their
>> system(s).
>> 
>> [...]
> 
> Besides Edge, she has Chrome and Firefox.
> 
> I installed FFx because she complained about too many adverts in some 
> web pages. So FFx + Ublock origin.
> 
> I installed Chrome because that's the easiest when using Google for 
> Groups. She is most familiar with this one.
> 
> I don't think she uses Edge except by accident.
> 
> 
> She says she is going to install Word, she is finding LO hard to get 
> used to. However, the only computer provided by her employer for the 
> teachers in that school has LO, not Word.

Sounds like the school is trying to "save money" in the worst possible way.
All they see is a balance sheet. 

Yes LO is "free", but what's the cost in time and well being of your the
staff who need to use it without any training?

Sounds like whoever is sending the pdfs doesn't know that docx isn't just a
"word file" and that .odt is perfectly useable with word or many other word
processors. 

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#35369

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> A friend (a teacher) has a problem with PDF files.
> 
> Management sends her files in PDF format which she is supposed to edit 
> and fill with names and data and send back. I asked chatgpt and Word can 
> directly edit PDF files, with some limitations. I don't have word (nor 
> she unless she pays it herlself), so I can't try myself. Management does 
> not supply the employees with software nor laptops. Some cheek.
> 
> The Libre Office method is open in LO Draw, select the text, and copy to 
> a new LO Writer document. But each line is separate, text doesn't flow.
> 
> I wonder if there is a better or easier method.
> 

Print -> edit by hand -> scan -> send

Maybe not easier nor better, but may send a message to management. 

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#35372

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> A friend (a teacher) has a problem with PDF files.
>> 
>> Management sends her files in PDF format which she is supposed to edit 
>> and fill with names and data and send back. I asked chatgpt and Word can 
>> directly edit PDF files, with some limitations. I don't have word (nor 
>> she unless she pays it herlself), so I can't try myself. Management does 
>> not supply the employees with software nor laptops. Some cheek.
>> 
>> The Libre Office method is open in LO Draw, select the text, and copy to 
>> a new LO Writer document. But each line is separate, text doesn't flow.
>> 
>> I wonder if there is a better or easier method.
>> 
> 
> Print -> edit by hand -> scan -> send
> 
> Maybe not easier nor better, but may send a message to management. 
> 
> 

Or get a Mac. The free Preview app edits pdfs just fine ;^)

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#35402

Chris wrote:

> Print -> edit by hand -> scan -> send
> 
> Maybe not easier nor better, but may send a message to management.

Sprinkle dust on your scanner beforehand so they can't easily OCR it 
back in, just to emphasise their error :-P

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#35408

On 09/30/2026 8:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Sprinkle dust on your scanner beforehand so they can't easily OCR it 
> back in, just to emphasise their error 😛
Earlier I suggested filling in the forms using the Comments-Text 
function of the Adobe Reader, and they printing the form to a PDF printer.

Am I the only one that uses this method to fill out PDF documents?


I also use the same method to add citation information to documents.

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