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  2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 00:29 +0800
    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 07:16 +0100
      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 18:12 +0800
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:32 +0100
          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 13:41 +0800
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-15 20:57 +1000
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 19:33 +0800
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 12:31 +0000
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 22:24 +0800
                Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 14:11 +0000
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:16 +0800
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 07:06 +0000
                      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 21:49 +0800
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-06-17 17:08 +0000
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:03 -0400
                    [OT] Short attention span? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 11:39 +0800
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 02:20 -0400
                      Re: Attention span? <-- BANG!! BANG!! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 17:53 +0800
              [OT] Re: attention span and anti-curse protection "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 22:44 +0800
      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:28 +0000
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-14 22:00 +1000
          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 17:21 +0000
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-15 21:13 +1000
          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:41 +0100
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-15 08:38 -0400
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:04 +0000
                Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:29 +0200
                Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:35 -0400
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-06-16 20:53 +0000
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:51 +0200
                      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 11:41 +0800
                        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 08:47 +0200
                          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey ... old machines "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 17:55 +0800
                            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey ... old machines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 14:23 +0200
                              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey ... old machines & 3d printing "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 21:50 +0800
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 11:54 +0800
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:35 +0100
      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-14 08:20 -0400
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 17:55 +0800
          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:30 +0200
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 21:51 +0800
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 14:28 +0000
                Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 22:57 +0800
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:27 +0200
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 11:05 +0800
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2026-06-17 10:08 -0400
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-06-17 17:05 +0000
              Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:53 +0200
                Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 11:51 +0800
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 11:54 +0800
                  Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 08:48 +0200
                    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey... prayer answered? Wish fulfilled? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 17:56 +0800
    Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 14:37 -0700
      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-06-15 08:35 -0700
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-06-15 16:42 +0000
        Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-15 21:30 +0200
          Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-16 16:35 -0400
            Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 22:54 +0200
      Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 17:56 +0800

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#32384

On 6/16/2026 9:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-16 11:55, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, thank you! Maybe I should re-watch the movie with a bit of
>> patience.  :)
> 
> It is possibly the best movie ever made. It certainly is the best Sci-Fi
> movie in history.

Its pace is way way too slow. To the point of boring you out. Maybe I 
could download the movie's digital copy and re-encode it to play in 2x 
speed using some freeware. :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32389

Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/16/2026 9:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-16 11:55, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you, thank you! Maybe I should re-watch the movie with a bit of
>>> patience.  :)
>> 
>> It is possibly the best movie ever made. It certainly is the best Sci-Fi
>> movie in history.
> 
> Its pace is way way too slow. To the point of boring you out. Maybe I 
> could download the movie's digital copy and re-encode it to play in 2x 
> speed using some freeware. :)

Utterly missing the point...

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#32394

On 6/16/2026 10:28 PM, Chris wrote:
> 
> Utterly missing the point...
> 

I am NOT down-rating the movie. But it's really boring from my point of 
view. Many Oscar movies are boring anyway. :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32400

On 2026-06-16 16:57, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 6/16/2026 10:28 PM, Chris wrote:
>>
>> Utterly missing the point...
>>
> 
> I am NOT down-rating the movie. But it's really boring from my point of 
> view. Many Oscar movies are boring anyway. :)
> 

Something is wrong with you :-P

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#32415

On 6/17/2026 2:27 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> I am NOT down-rating the movie. But it's really boring from my point of
>> view. Many Oscar movies are boring anyway. :)
> 
> Something is wrong with you :-P


There are all walks of life, Your Honor! ;)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32436

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


>It is possibly the best movie ever made. It certainly is the best Sci-Fi 
>movie in history.

I had the good fortune to see it when it first came out on a Cinerama
screen (BIG screen). An absolute mind-blower!

-- 
Tim Slattery
timslattery <at> utexas <dot> edu

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#32440

On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 10:08:13 -0400, Tim Slattery wrote:

> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
>>It is possibly the best movie ever made. It certainly is the best Sci-Fi
>>movie in history.
> 
> I had the good fortune to see it when it first came out on a Cinerama
> screen (BIG screen). An absolute mind-blower!

I saw it in a theater in 1970. Near the beginning, when you see the apes 
grunting and throwing bones, there was a caption with the words "OUR 
FOREFATHERS". A lot of people laughed at that. Every time I've seen the 
movie since, that caption wasn't there.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"For God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn the large
majority of the human race." -- Robert G. Ingersoll

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#32447

On 2026-06-17 16:08, Tim Slattery wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
>> It is possibly the best movie ever made. It certainly is the best Sci-Fi
>> movie in history.
> 
> I had the good fortune to see it when it first came out on a Cinerama
> screen (BIG screen). An absolute mind-blower!
> 

What I saw first was the book, in Spanish, with some pictures from the 
movie. I had to wait at least a decade till I had a chance to watch it.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#32451

On 6/18/2026 7:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> What I saw first was the book, in Spanish, with some pictures from the
> movie. I had to wait at least a decade till I had a chance to watch it.
> 

So computers and internet answered your pracyer and fulfilled your wish? 
"God is good"?? :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32452

On 6/18/2026 11:51 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 6/18/2026 7:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> What I saw first was the book, in Spanish, with some pictures from the
>> movie. I had to wait at least a decade till I had a chance to watch it.
>>
> 
> So computers and internet answered your pracyer and fulfilled your wish?
> "God is good"?? :)
> 

Typing mistakes spotted!!

So computers and internet answered your prayer and fulfilled your wish?
"God is good"?? :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32463

On 2026-06-18 05:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 6/18/2026 7:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> What I saw first was the book, in Spanish, with some pictures from the
>> movie. I had to wait at least a decade till I had a chance to watch it.
>>
> 
> So computers and internet answered your pracyer and fulfilled your wish? 
> "God is good"?? :)
> 
Internet had not been invented yet.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#32473 — Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey... prayer answered? Wish fulfilled?

On 6/18/2026 2:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-18 05:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> So computers and internet answered your pracyer and fulfilled your wish?
>> "God is good"?? :)
>>
> Internet had not been invented yet.
> 

You don't believe in God? You don't want God? Anyway.... freedom!! :)


-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw

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#32328

On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> 
> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
> 

Dave did not act mad.
He just did what he needed to do.
And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.

Here, the book varies greatly from the film.
 From the book, page 155:

"Here goes, thought Bowman.  I never imagined I'd be
an amateur brain surgeon - carrying our a lobotomy beyond
the orbit of Jupiter.
---
---
I wonder if he can feel pain?  Bowman thought briefly ---"

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#32357

On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> 
>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>> 
>
>Dave did not act mad.
>He just did what he needed to do.
>And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.

It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
simply kill the power to the computer.

-- 
croy

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#32358

On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 08:35:04 -0700, croy wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> 
>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>> 
>>> 
>>Dave did not act mad.
>>He just did what he needed to do.
>>And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>>in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
> 
> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
> simply kill the power to the computer.

HAL needed to keep operating (just without higher consciousness) to keep 
the ship working.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" --
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

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#32363

On 2026-06-15 17:35, croy wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>>
>>
>> Dave did not act mad.
>> He just did what he needed to do.
>> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
> 
> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
> simply kill the power to the computer.

A computer that was not designed to have power cut ever. An integral 
part of the ship design. A procedure that was not described in the 
documentation.

And parts of the computer functions had to be kept running.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#32405

On Mon, 6/15/2026 3:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-15 17:35, croy wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dave did not act mad.
>>> He just did what he needed to do.
>>> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>>> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
>>
>> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
>> simply kill the power to the computer.
> 
> A computer that was not designed to have power cut ever. An integral part of the ship design. 
> A procedure that was not described in the documentation.
> 
> And parts of the computer functions had to be kept running.
> 

The design of the ship, is pure poetic license.

The thought that goes into designing space projects, gives some
idea "who is in control" and "how much trust we have in the hardware"

   https://increment.com/software-architecture/in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-kernel-panic/

Even back in that day, they knew about what architectures
would be needed for reliable space flight. But then, you
would not have much of a movie, if the thing was lashed
down properly :-)

That's the same flaw the Forbin Project makes. The idea is
all wrong, after about the first five minutes of the movie.
But it is what it is.

Even without knowing what kind of AI that HAL9000 was,
it's still a non-deterministic design where you can't
add your hardware analysis to detect faults. If you were
putting a HAL9000 on a real space ship, it would be air gapped
and it definitely would not get to steer anything (directly).
It would be, in effect, a hand calculator... that you could
switch off. And the "real/procedural/dumb" 1+1 computers
would do the real work.

As an example of a "violation-of-principle", one of the
Musk ships has totally autonomous docking at the ISS. You're
not supposed to do that. But we'll find out some day. The hard way.
If NASA designed the thing, it would not do that. You would be
able to switch off the autonomy, grab the 3D controls and finish
the job manually. If you noticed it was going wrong. Any time there
are issues with thrusters as a ship approaches the ISS, it is blocked
from approaching the ISS any closer.

While you can have hand-wavey scifi doo dads, the real
world is boring... and hard work for somebody. And yes, it
has A/B buses, breakers and switches.

What's the thing you fear most in space flight ? It's
the same thing as onboard a naval vessel. It's a fire on board.
You have electricals ? Then you have breakers and switches
to shut that off. If HAL9000 had caught fire, then there
have to be protective devices to help subdue the fire. The
design of spaceships, is just like the design of submarines.
Bulkheads. Air-tight doors. Isolate the chamber with the problem.

   Paul

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#32407

On 2026-06-16 22:35, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 6/15/2026 3:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-15 17:35, croy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave did not act mad.
>>>> He just did what he needed to do.
>>>> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>>>> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
>>> simply kill the power to the computer.
>>
>> A computer that was not designed to have power cut ever. An integral part of the ship design.
>> A procedure that was not described in the documentation.
>>
>> And parts of the computer functions had to be kept running.
>>
> 
> The design of the ship, is pure poetic license.
> 
> The thought that goes into designing space projects, gives some
> idea "who is in control" and "how much trust we have in the hardware"
> 
>     https://increment.com/software-architecture/in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-kernel-panic/
> 
> Even back in that day, they knew about what architectures
> would be needed for reliable space flight. But then, you
> would not have much of a movie, if the thing was lashed
> down properly :-)
> 
> That's the same flaw the Forbin Project makes. The idea is
> all wrong, after about the first five minutes of the movie.
> But it is what it is.
> 
> Even without knowing what kind of AI that HAL9000 was,

Heuristic ALgorithmical :-)

> it's still a non-deterministic design where you can't
> add your hardware analysis to detect faults. If you were
> putting a HAL9000 on a real space ship, it would be air gapped
> and it definitely would not get to steer anything (directly).
> It would be, in effect, a hand calculator... that you could
> switch off. And the "real/procedural/dumb" 1+1 computers
> would do the real work.

Ah, but HAL did have control of the ship. It could pilot it. 
Intentionally, so that the mission would go on with a dead crew.

> 
> As an example of a "violation-of-principle", one of the
> Musk ships has totally autonomous docking at the ISS. You're
> not supposed to do that. But we'll find out some day. The hard way.
> If NASA designed the thing, it would not do that. You would be
> able to switch off the autonomy, grab the 3D controls and finish
> the job manually. If you noticed it was going wrong. Any time there
> are issues with thrusters as a ship approaches the ISS, it is blocked
> from approaching the ISS any closer.
> 
> While you can have hand-wavey scifi doo dads, the real
> world is boring... and hard work for somebody. And yes, it
> has A/B buses, breakers and switches.
> 
> What's the thing you fear most in space flight ? It's
> the same thing as onboard a naval vessel. It's a fire on board.
> You have electricals ? Then you have breakers and switches
> to shut that off. If HAL9000 had caught fire, then there
> have to be protective devices to help subdue the fire. The
> design of spaceships, is just like the design of submarines.
> Bulkheads. Air-tight doors. Isolate the chamber with the problem.

You have a point there.

If there is a fire, just put on the suits, or get inside designated 
panic rooms, and vent the ship. Easy peasy.



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On 6/15/2026 5:37 AM, a425couple wrote:
> 
> Dave did not act mad.
> He just did what he needed to do.
> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
> 
> Here, the book varies greatly from the film.
>   From the book, page 155:
Thank you, thank you!

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