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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. |
| Date | 2026-06-16 22:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9drgeFff4aU6@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 2026-06-16 22:35, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 6/15/2026 3:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-15 17:35, croy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave did not act mad.
>>>> He just did what he needed to do.
>>>> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards,
>>>> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to
>>> simply kill the power to the computer.
>>
>> A computer that was not designed to have power cut ever. An integral part of the ship design.
>> A procedure that was not described in the documentation.
>>
>> And parts of the computer functions had to be kept running.
>>
>
> The design of the ship, is pure poetic license.
>
> The thought that goes into designing space projects, gives some
> idea "who is in control" and "how much trust we have in the hardware"
>
> https://increment.com/software-architecture/in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-kernel-panic/
>
> Even back in that day, they knew about what architectures
> would be needed for reliable space flight. But then, you
> would not have much of a movie, if the thing was lashed
> down properly :-)
>
> That's the same flaw the Forbin Project makes. The idea is
> all wrong, after about the first five minutes of the movie.
> But it is what it is.
>
> Even without knowing what kind of AI that HAL9000 was,
Heuristic ALgorithmical :-)
> it's still a non-deterministic design where you can't
> add your hardware analysis to detect faults. If you were
> putting a HAL9000 on a real space ship, it would be air gapped
> and it definitely would not get to steer anything (directly).
> It would be, in effect, a hand calculator... that you could
> switch off. And the "real/procedural/dumb" 1+1 computers
> would do the real work.
Ah, but HAL did have control of the ship. It could pilot it.
Intentionally, so that the mission would go on with a dead crew.
>
> As an example of a "violation-of-principle", one of the
> Musk ships has totally autonomous docking at the ISS. You're
> not supposed to do that. But we'll find out some day. The hard way.
> If NASA designed the thing, it would not do that. You would be
> able to switch off the autonomy, grab the 3D controls and finish
> the job manually. If you noticed it was going wrong. Any time there
> are issues with thrusters as a ship approaches the ISS, it is blocked
> from approaching the ISS any closer.
>
> While you can have hand-wavey scifi doo dads, the real
> world is boring... and hard work for somebody. And yes, it
> has A/B buses, breakers and switches.
>
> What's the thing you fear most in space flight ? It's
> the same thing as onboard a naval vessel. It's a fire on board.
> You have electricals ? Then you have breakers and switches
> to shut that off. If HAL9000 had caught fire, then there
> have to be protective devices to help subdue the fire. The
> design of spaceships, is just like the design of submarines.
> Bulkheads. Air-tight doors. Isolate the chamber with the problem.
You have a point there.
If there is a fire, just put on the suits, or get inside designated
panic rooms, and vent the ship. Easy peasy.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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