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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. |
| Date | 2026-06-16 16:35 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <110sc20$1da7v$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On Mon, 6/15/2026 3:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-15 17:35, croy wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:37:49 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 6/13/26 09:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >>>> >>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" - YouTube >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE> >>>> >>> >>> Dave did not act mad. >>> He just did what he needed to do. >>> And about a hour later he started disconnecting circuit boards, >>> in effect performing a prefrontal lobotomy. >> >> It seems to me that it would have been much easier and much quicker to >> simply kill the power to the computer. > > A computer that was not designed to have power cut ever. An integral part of the ship design. > A procedure that was not described in the documentation. > > And parts of the computer functions had to be kept running. > The design of the ship, is pure poetic license. The thought that goes into designing space projects, gives some idea "who is in control" and "how much trust we have in the hardware" https://increment.com/software-architecture/in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-kernel-panic/ Even back in that day, they knew about what architectures would be needed for reliable space flight. But then, you would not have much of a movie, if the thing was lashed down properly :-) That's the same flaw the Forbin Project makes. The idea is all wrong, after about the first five minutes of the movie. But it is what it is. Even without knowing what kind of AI that HAL9000 was, it's still a non-deterministic design where you can't add your hardware analysis to detect faults. If you were putting a HAL9000 on a real space ship, it would be air gapped and it definitely would not get to steer anything (directly). It would be, in effect, a hand calculator... that you could switch off. And the "real/procedural/dumb" 1+1 computers would do the real work. As an example of a "violation-of-principle", one of the Musk ships has totally autonomous docking at the ISS. You're not supposed to do that. But we'll find out some day. The hard way. If NASA designed the thing, it would not do that. You would be able to switch off the autonomy, grab the 3D controls and finish the job manually. If you noticed it was going wrong. Any time there are issues with thrusters as a ship approaches the ISS, it is blocked from approaching the ISS any closer. While you can have hand-wavey scifi doo dads, the real world is boring... and hard work for somebody. And yes, it has A/B buses, breakers and switches. What's the thing you fear most in space flight ? It's the same thing as onboard a naval vessel. It's a fire on board. You have electricals ? Then you have breakers and switches to shut that off. If HAL9000 had caught fire, then there have to be protective devices to help subdue the fire. The design of spaceships, is just like the design of submarines. Bulkheads. Air-tight doors. Isolate the chamber with the problem. Paul
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2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 00:29 +0800
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 07:16 +0100
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 18:12 +0800
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:32 +0100
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 13:41 +0800
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-15 20:57 +1000
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 19:33 +0800
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-15 12:31 +0000
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 14:11 +0000
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 07:06 +0000
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-06-17 17:08 +0000
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:03 -0400
[OT] Short attention span? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 11:39 +0800
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 02:20 -0400
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-14 22:00 +1000
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-15 21:13 +1000
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:41 +0100
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-15 08:38 -0400
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:29 +0200
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-16 10:35 -0400
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-06-16 20:53 +0000
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 01:51 +0200
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 08:47 +0200
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 23:35 +0100
Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-14 08:20 -0400
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:30 +0200
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-16 14:28 +0000
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:27 +0200
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Re: 2001:A Space Odyssey, SpaceX, A.I. croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-06-15 08:35 -0700
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