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The problem with not owning the software

Started byCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
First post2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Last post2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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  The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
    Re: The problem with not owning the software ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 19:55 -0700
    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
      Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
        Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
              Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-27 11:31 -0600
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
                                                            [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
                                                              [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
                                                                      Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
    Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500

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#15740

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Message-ID<vksc1a$12a03$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15734
On 12/29/24 2:24 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/28/24 5:17 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> people ... buy a laptop every three years, to keep
>>>>> up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
>>>>> Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
>>>>> computer is beyond what they could know.
>>>>
>>>> I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more
>>>> than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling
>>>> today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need
>>>> to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't
>>>> offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than
>>>> video editing or gaming.
>>>
>>> It's just a scheme to keep people upgrading hardware.
>>
>> Only if you allow it to be.
> 
> 
> Hence why I'm running and advocating Linux.
> 
> 
>> Case in point, I've recently replaced a 2017 laptop, which in its seven
>> years of use only had $135 in MS software purchases: that's <$2/month.
>> Its replacement's initial software was $100 (MS Office 2024), which
>> should be good for four years and be similarly cost just ~$2/month.
>>
>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
> 
> 
> Sure, but that doesn't address increasing demands on hardware.

Oh, so *one* software upgrade over 7 years is suddenly now going to be 
some undue 'hardware demand'?  Not even for MS-Office it isn't.


-hh

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#15745

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Message-ID<4be3nj9ng3rt4rbo3elmi5beokatgednud@4ax.com>
In reply to#15740
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>> I've recently replaced a 2017 laptop, which in its seven
>>> years of use only had $135 in MS software purchases: that's <$2/month.
>>> Its replacement's initial software was $100 (MS Office 2024), which
>>> should be good for four years and be similarly cost just ~$2/month.
>>>
>>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>> 
>> Sure, but that doesn't address increasing demands on hardware.
>
>Oh, so *one* software upgrade over 7 years is suddenly now going to be 
>some undue 'hardware demand'?  Not even for MS-Office it isn't.


I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15749

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Message-ID<PNjcP.132642$0O61.49544@fx15.iad>
In reply to#15745
On 2024-12-29 16:06, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> I've recently replaced a 2017 laptop, which in its seven
>>>> years of use only had $135 in MS software purchases: that's <$2/month.
>>>> Its replacement's initial software was $100 (MS Office 2024), which
>>>> should be good for four years and be similarly cost just ~$2/month.
>>>>
>>>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>>>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>>>
>>> Sure, but that doesn't address increasing demands on hardware.
>>
>> Oh, so *one* software upgrade over 7 years is suddenly now going to be
>> some undue 'hardware demand'?  Not even for MS-Office it isn't.
> 
> 
> I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
> built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
> overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.

Even with the traditionally-heavy KDE, my computer runs lighter than it 
did with Windows 11 24H2. Not only does it boot faster and use less RAM 
(3.4GB as we speak), there is much less storage activity and typing 
feels a lot more responsive. The best part is that every one of the 
things that tended not to work for me in the past works perfectly under 
Fedora 41.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41

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#15752

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Message-ID<2qj3njtjn3o63e45ii00fjivptjpiprlj7@4ax.com>
In reply to#15749
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>> I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
>> built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
>> overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.
>
>Even with the traditionally-heavy KDE, my computer runs lighter than it 
>did with Windows 11 24H2. Not only does it boot faster and use less RAM 
>(3.4GB as we speak), there is much less storage activity and typing 
>feels a lot more responsive. The best part is that every one of the 
>things that tended not to work for me in the past works perfectly under 
>Fedora 41.


Yup, I'm using Cinnamon under Debian 12, it's bloated by Larry's
standards but nothing like M$.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15758

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Message-ID<gmlcP.92877$DPl.8275@fx13.iad>
In reply to#15752
On 2024-12-29 17:39, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> 
>>> I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
>>> built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
>>> overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.
>>
>> Even with the traditionally-heavy KDE, my computer runs lighter than it
>> did with Windows 11 24H2. Not only does it boot faster and use less RAM
>> (3.4GB as we speak), there is much less storage activity and typing
>> feels a lot more responsive. The best part is that every one of the
>> things that tended not to work for me in the past works perfectly under
>> Fedora 41.
> 
> 
> Yup, I'm using Cinnamon under Debian 12, it's bloated by Larry's
> standards but nothing like M$.

Larry doesn't like bloat because he has to stare at his fat ass every day.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41

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#15760

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Message-ID<95p3njldds9oo4e4aos6d0rqqkkg9rt8ps@4ax.com>
In reply to#15758
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>>>> I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
>>>> built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
>>>> overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.
>>>
>>> Even with the traditionally-heavy KDE, my computer runs lighter than it
>>> did with Windows 11 24H2. Not only does it boot faster and use less RAM
>>> (3.4GB as we speak), there is much less storage activity and typing
>>> feels a lot more responsive. The best part is that every one of the
>>> things that tended not to work for me in the past works perfectly under
>>> Fedora 41.
>> 
>> Yup, I'm using Cinnamon under Debian 12, it's bloated by Larry's
>> standards but nothing like M$.
>
>Larry doesn't like bloat because he has to stare at his fat ass every day.


I just cannot understand his perspective in the slightest way - he's
using a Xeon chip with a hard drive, running a barebones setup of
Linux that has no modern Web browser, it's just as bizarre as could
be.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15761

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Message-ID<hIlcP.18425$Hfb1.6883@fx46.iad>
In reply to#15760
On 2024-12-29 19:10, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I had the ideal computer, to upgrade to Windows 11, in 2021.  Freshly
>>>>> built with Win10, SSD storage, blah blah, but 23H2 was already feeling
>>>>> overweight.  Hence running Linux till this thing dies.
>>>>
>>>> Even with the traditionally-heavy KDE, my computer runs lighter than it
>>>> did with Windows 11 24H2. Not only does it boot faster and use less RAM
>>>> (3.4GB as we speak), there is much less storage activity and typing
>>>> feels a lot more responsive. The best part is that every one of the
>>>> things that tended not to work for me in the past works perfectly under
>>>> Fedora 41.
>>>
>>> Yup, I'm using Cinnamon under Debian 12, it's bloated by Larry's
>>> standards but nothing like M$.
>>
>> Larry doesn't like bloat because he has to stare at his fat ass every day.
> 
> 
> I just cannot understand his perspective in the slightest way - he's
> using a Xeon chip with a hard drive, running a barebones setup of
> Linux that has no modern Web browser, it's just as bizarre as could
> be.

He's a failure and quite aware of it. Rather than improve himself in any 
way, he prefers to delude himself about how successful he is. He can't 
afford better than the garbage he boasts about.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41

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#15753

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Message-ID<vksk07$17k9s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15732
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:16:57 -0500, -hh wrote:

> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.

And you have to keep paying for the rest of your life just to retain 
control over your own work.

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#15755

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Message-ID<25l3nj1cmdcvrou8627jsvr3sbjbud2u38@4ax.com>
In reply to#15753
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:16:57 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>
>And you have to keep paying for the rest of your life just to retain 
>control over your own work.


I can live without Adobe, yeah.  I gave Photoshop a chance.  It's not
terrible, but it's bloatware like Wintendo itself, Linux and GIMP are
not as rich with GUI-centric "features" perhaps, but they are what I
feel comfortable running on my precious hardware.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15762

Fromsticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
Date2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Message-ID<vkspsj$10jt1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15755
On 12/29/2024 5:02 PM, Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:16:57 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>>
>> And you have to keep paying for the rest of your life just to retain
>> control over your own work.
> 
> 
> I can live without Adobe, yeah.  I gave Photoshop a chance.  It's not
> terrible, but it's bloatware like Wintendo itself, Linux and GIMP are
> not as rich with GUI-centric "features" perhaps, but they are what I
> feel comfortable running on my precious hardware.

"Precious hardware"

That's funny


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#15763

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Message-ID<b8mcP.12401$ZEZf.801@fx40.iad>
In reply to#15762
On 2024-12-29 19:35, sticks wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 5:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:16:57 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>>>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>>>
>>> And you have to keep paying for the rest of your life just to retain
>>> control over your own work.
>>
>>
>> I can live without Adobe, yeah.  I gave Photoshop a chance.  It's not
>> terrible, but it's bloatware like Wintendo itself, Linux and GIMP are
>> not as rich with GUI-centric "features" perhaps, but they are what I
>> feel comfortable running on my precious hardware.
> 
> "Precious hardware"
> 
> That's funny

It's funny to an extent, but part of why I get attached to free software 
is the sympathy I feel to people who simply can't afford to buy new 
hardware all the time. Had I not been clever in my adolescent years, I 
wouldn't have had the income to upgrade my hardware the few times that I 
did because money was lacking. At that time, I would have overjoyed to 
learn that I could at least procure the software at no charge and 
without breaking any laws, and that it would run fine on my modest 
setup. I am also faced with poor kids on a daily basis. It warms my 
heart to know that my knowledge of open-source software is going to 
allow them to use software much like the kids in wealthier 
neighbourhoods, even on the computers their parents received as a 
hand-me-down or got from goodwill. Linux makes that a possibility, 
Windows and MacOS do not. Additionally, the amount of compromises people 
have to make to use Linux today are not as overwhelming as they once 
were. If anything, the experience is often superior.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

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#15766

Fromsticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
Date2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Message-ID<vksusb$10jt1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15763
On 12/29/2024 6:51 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>> "Precious hardware"
>>
>> That's funny
> 
> It's funny to an extent,

---snip---

No.  It's funny because it's fucking stupid.
My new puppy is precious.  My computers are just fucking machines.

-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#15770

Fromknuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
Date2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Message-ID<vkt4co$1el2n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15766
On 12/29/2024 9:00 PM, sticks wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 6:51 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> "Precious hardware"
>>>
>>> That's funny
>>
>> It's funny to an extent,
> 
> ---snip---
> 
> No.  It's funny because it's fucking stupid.
> My new puppy is precious.  My computers are just fucking machines.
> 
If you don't treat them kindly how to you get them to work for you.  I 
thank my computer, frequently especially after trying to do something 
and the computer finally realizes what I want and does it.

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#15771

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Message-ID<ltejgvFbokqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#15766
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 20:00:43 -0600, sticks wrote:

> On 12/29/2024 6:51 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> "Precious hardware"
>>>
>>> That's funny
>> 
>> It's funny to an extent,
> 
> ---snip---
> 
> No.  It's funny because it's fucking stupid.
> My new puppy is precious.  My computers are just fucking machines.

That brought back horrible memories. A friend's wife referred to the mutt 
as precious puppy. I think it was an Airedale or something up that line. 
It ate her pantyhose which led to her chasing it around the yard trying to 
step on its new nylon tail being extruded from its butt.

Even sadder, she had a cat that was precious kitty that was exiled to the 
basement when they got precious puppy. My wife and I had a bet on whether 
the dog would wind up in the cellar with the cat when she popped out a 
precious baby.

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#15764

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Message-ID<hor3njhtcnn8nn99bor0bt61tijgf5nf59@4ax.com>
In reply to#15762
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
>On 12/29/2024 5:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 13:16:57 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe
>>>> Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.
>>>
>>> And you have to keep paying for the rest of your life just to retain
>>> control over your own work.
>> 
>> I can live without Adobe, yeah.  I gave Photoshop a chance.  It's not
>> terrible, but it's bloatware like Wintendo itself, Linux and GIMP are
>> not as rich with GUI-centric "features" perhaps, but they are what I
>> feel comfortable running on my precious hardware.
>
>"Precious hardware"
>
>That's funny


It's my baby, yes, I have an emotional attachment to my computer, I
assembled it.  M$ crapware, other than such for Linux, can step off.


>-- 
>I Stand With Israel!


"That's funny."

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15768

Fromsticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
Date2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Message-ID<vksvoc$10jt0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15764
On 12/29/2024 6:55 PM, Joel wrote:
>> "Precious hardware"
>>
>> That's funny
> 
> It's my baby, yes, I have an emotional attachment to my computer, I
> assembled it.  M$ crapware, other than such for Linux, can step off.

Fine, you obviously have some emotional issues.  I don't really give a 
shit what you call or how you feel attached to your computer.  Have at 
it weirdo.  I'm still laffing at you.

>> -- 
>> I Stand With Israel!
> 
> "That's funny."

Now that you Linux guys have completely taken a shit on the win11 group, 
you're now stooping to commenting on sig files.  I manage to only use 4 
words to get my point across.  You on the other hand have written a 
short essay for yours.  Kinda fits your character.

FWIW, I got no problem with the way the normal people talk about Linux 
here.  One of our favorites in this group regularly uses it for things 
and shares his experiences.  He even manages to point out the flaws and 
problems with the various microsoft operating systems.  Everybody 
appreciates the education a handful of people in these groups give us.

What they don't do is rave on an on about how horrible microsoft is at 
every chance they get and advocate Linux above all else in a fucking 
windows newsgroup.  We're here to learn about Windows 11 and if Linux 
can be of use in sorting things out great.  But you can take your Linux 
pom poms and wear yourself out in your advocacy group.  It's just 
getting a little old around here IMO.  Other than that....Fuck Off!



-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#15769

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Message-ID<fg24nj5tsg1sdj4lpoibcpmvitp03jveu9@4ax.com>
In reply to#15768
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

>>> "Precious hardware"
>>>
>>> That's funny
>> 
>> It's my baby, yes, I have an emotional attachment to my computer, I
>> assembled it.  M$ crapware, other than such for Linux, can step off.
>
>Fine, you obviously have some emotional issues.  I don't really give a 
>shit what you call or how you feel attached to your computer.  Have at 
>it weirdo.  I'm still laffing at you.
>
>>> -- 
>>> I Stand With Israel!
>> 
>> "That's funny."
>
>Now that you Linux guys have completely taken a shit on the win11 group, 
>you're now stooping to commenting on sig files.  I manage to only use 4 
>words to get my point across.  You on the other hand have written a 
>short essay for yours.  Kinda fits your character.
>
>FWIW, I got no problem with the way the normal people talk about Linux 
>here.  One of our favorites in this group regularly uses it for things 
>and shares his experiences.  He even manages to point out the flaws and 
>problems with the various microsoft operating systems.  Everybody 
>appreciates the education a handful of people in these groups give us.
>
>What they don't do is rave on an on about how horrible microsoft is at 
>every chance they get and advocate Linux above all else in a fucking 
>windows newsgroup.  We're here to learn about Windows 11 and if Linux 
>can be of use in sorting things out great.  But you can take your Linux 
>pom poms and wear yourself out in your advocacy group.  It's just 
>getting a little old around here IMO.  Other than that....Fuck Off!


"You obviously have some emotional issues."

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15790

FromJack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot>
Date2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Message-ID<1815e9294c0b4c7b$29707$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com>
In reply to#15769
Joel wrote:
> "I obviously have some emotional issues."
> 
 >

https://postimg.cc/dh0Q46jq

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#15798

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Message-ID<GgxcP.21637$zX7.13713@fx37.iad>
In reply to#15769
On 2024-12-29 21:49, Joel wrote:
> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> "Precious hardware"
>>>>
>>>> That's funny
>>>
>>> It's my baby, yes, I have an emotional attachment to my computer, I
>>> assembled it.  M$ crapware, other than such for Linux, can step off.
>>
>> Fine, you obviously have some emotional issues.  I don't really give a
>> shit what you call or how you feel attached to your computer.  Have at
>> it weirdo.  I'm still laffing at you.
>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> I Stand With Israel!
>>>
>>> "That's funny."
>>
>> Now that you Linux guys have completely taken a shit on the win11 group,
>> you're now stooping to commenting on sig files.  I manage to only use 4
>> words to get my point across.  You on the other hand have written a
>> short essay for yours.  Kinda fits your character.
>>
>> FWIW, I got no problem with the way the normal people talk about Linux
>> here.  One of our favorites in this group regularly uses it for things
>> and shares his experiences.  He even manages to point out the flaws and
>> problems with the various microsoft operating systems.  Everybody
>> appreciates the education a handful of people in these groups give us.
>>
>> What they don't do is rave on an on about how horrible microsoft is at
>> every chance they get and advocate Linux above all else in a fucking
>> windows newsgroup.  We're here to learn about Windows 11 and if Linux
>> can be of use in sorting things out great.  But you can take your Linux
>> pom poms and wear yourself out in your advocacy group.  It's just
>> getting a little old around here IMO.  Other than that....Fuck Off!
> 
> 
> "You obviously have some emotional issues."

Ignore him. Looking back, I had an emotional attachment to the Powerbook 
G4 I used in the early 2000s and still remember my MSI GT72 very fondly.

Meanwhile, he wants to learn about Windows 11. Good for him. The rest of 
us want to be educated on why a majority of AMD-powered computers in the 
wild will be forced to suffer fTPM stuttering even three years after the 
problem surfaced because Microsoft won't ease up on the TPM requirement 
and manufacturers don't want to deploy an update for the machines 
they've sold.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
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#15823

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Message-ID<vkvcth$1s6uj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15798
On Mon, 12/30/2024 8:31 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 21:49, Joel wrote:
>> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Precious hardware"
>>>>>
>>>>> That's funny
>>>>
>>>> It's my baby, yes, I have an emotional attachment to my computer, I
>>>> assembled it.  M$ crapware, other than such for Linux, can step off.
>>>
>>> Fine, you obviously have some emotional issues.  I don't really give a
>>> shit what you call or how you feel attached to your computer.  Have at
>>> it weirdo.  I'm still laffing at you.
>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> I Stand With Israel!
>>>>
>>>> "That's funny."
>>>
>>> Now that you Linux guys have completely taken a shit on the win11 group,
>>> you're now stooping to commenting on sig files.  I manage to only use 4
>>> words to get my point across.  You on the other hand have written a
>>> short essay for yours.  Kinda fits your character.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I got no problem with the way the normal people talk about Linux
>>> here.  One of our favorites in this group regularly uses it for things
>>> and shares his experiences.  He even manages to point out the flaws and
>>> problems with the various microsoft operating systems.  Everybody
>>> appreciates the education a handful of people in these groups give us.
>>>
>>> What they don't do is rave on an on about how horrible microsoft is at
>>> every chance they get and advocate Linux above all else in a fucking
>>> windows newsgroup.  We're here to learn about Windows 11 and if Linux
>>> can be of use in sorting things out great.  But you can take your Linux
>>> pom poms and wear yourself out in your advocacy group.  It's just
>>> getting a little old around here IMO.  Other than that....Fuck Off!
>>
>>
>> "You obviously have some emotional issues."
> 
> Ignore him. Looking back, I had an emotional attachment to the Powerbook G4 I used in the early 2000s and still remember my MSI GT72 very fondly.
> 
> Meanwhile, he wants to learn about Windows 11. Good for him. The rest of us want to be educated on why a majority of AMD-powered computers in the wild will be forced to suffer fTPM stuttering even three years after the problem surfaced because Microsoft won't ease up on the TPM requirement and manufacturers don't want to deploy an update for the machines they've sold.
> 

We wave "Hi" from the Windows group :-)

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/06/27/bypass-windows-11-microsoft-account-requirement-and-deny-privacy-questions-during-setup-with-rufus/

   "Remove requirement for Secure Boot and TPM 2.0"

Happy motoring!

   Paul

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