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The problem with not owning the software

Started byCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
First post2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Last post2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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  The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
    Re: The problem with not owning the software ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 19:55 -0700
    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
      Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
        Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
              Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-27 11:31 -0600
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
                                                            [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
                                                              [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
                                                                      Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
    Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500

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#15495 — The problem with not owning the software

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
SubjectThe problem with not owning the software
Message-ID<Tn39P.50437$%aWb.4583@fx18.iad>
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users-hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/>

​Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product 
Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps.

According to online user reports on Reddit and Microsoft's own community 
website, affected users randomly received these "Product Deactivated" 
errors in Office apps, prompting confusion and disruptions.

As Redmond explained in a support document published on Thursday, these 
problems stem from licensing changes initiated by administrators.

More precisely, the known issue arises when moving users between 
licensing groups (including Azure Active Directory groups or synced 
on-premises security groups) or switching user subscriptions, such as 
changing from an Office 365 E3 license to a Microsoft 365 E3 license.

It can also be triggered when admins remove and re-add users to license 
groups, adjust license or service plan settings, or toggle the "Latest 
version of Desktop Apps" service plan under the Microsoft 365 subscription.

To address this deactivation issue, customers can click the "Reactivate" 
button on the error banner and sign in when prompted. Alternatively, 
they can sign out of all Microsoft 365 apps, close them, and restart 
them before signing back in.

If the issue persists, users are advised to contact their administrators 
to check if the Microsoft 365 subscription has expired. Admins can check 
subscription details under the Microsoft 365 subscription management portal.

​For further troubleshooting, Microsoft advises users with open support 
cases to provide diagnostic data to its engineers, collected using the 
Office Licensing Diagnostic Tool, which can help find the root cause of 
licensing-related issues.

Affected users are also prompted to provide support engineers with the 
logs stored in the %temp%/diagnostics directory.

While Microsoft has yet to share a timeline for a fix, its engineering 
team is actively investigating this known issue. The company encourages 
affected users and administrators to monitor its support channels for 
updates.

Last month, Microsoft also shared a temporary fix for a known issue 
affecting Microsoft 365 customers that causes classic Outlook to hang or 
freeze when copying text.

In September, the company fixed another bug that crashed Microsoft 365 
apps (i.e., Outlook, Word, Excel, OneNote) when typing or spell-checking 
a text.
-- 
CrudeSausage

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#15503

From...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-19 19:55 -0700
Message-ID<vk2mb1$38n1m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15495
CrudeSausage wrote on 12/19/24 6:03 PM:
> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users-hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> 
> 
> 
> ​Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product 
> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps.
> 
> According to online user reports on Reddit and Microsoft's own community 
> website, affected users randomly received these "Product Deactivated" 
> errors in Office apps, prompting confusion and disruptions.
> 
> As Redmond explained in a support document published on Thursday, these 
> problems stem from licensing changes initiated by administrators.
> 
> More precisely, the known issue arises when moving users between 
> licensing groups (including Azure Active Directory groups or synced 
> on-premises security groups) or switching user subscriptions, such as 
> changing from an Office 365 E3 license to a Microsoft 365 E3 license.
> 
> It can also be triggered when admins remove and re-add users to license 
> groups, adjust license or service plan settings, or toggle the "Latest 
> version of Desktop Apps" service plan under the Microsoft 365 subscription.
> 
> To address this deactivation issue, customers can click the "Reactivate" 
> button on the error banner and sign in when prompted. Alternatively, they 
> can sign out of all Microsoft 365 apps, close them, and restart them 
> before signing back in.
> 
> If the issue persists, users are advised to contact their administrators 
> to check if the Microsoft 365 subscription has expired. Admins can check 
> subscription details under the Microsoft 365 subscription management portal.
> 
> ​For further troubleshooting, Microsoft advises users with open support 
> cases to provide diagnostic data to its engineers, collected using the 
> Office Licensing Diagnostic Tool, which can help find the root cause of 
> licensing-related issues.
> 
> Affected users are also prompted to provide support engineers with the 
> logs stored in the %temp%/diagnostics directory.
> 
> While Microsoft has yet to share a timeline for a fix, its engineering 
> team is actively investigating this known issue. The company encourages 
> affected users and administrators to monitor its support channels for 
> updates.
> 
> Last month, Microsoft also shared a temporary fix for a known issue 
> affecting Microsoft 365 customers that causes classic Outlook to hang or 
> freeze when copying text.
> 
> In September, the company fixed another bug that crashed Microsoft 365 
> apps (i.e., Outlook, Word, Excel, OneNote) when typing or spell-checking 
> a text.


While current and reasonable accurate reporting information, the reported 
issue for the majority of all folks reading this Win11 group is not very 
relevant(i.e. only relevant for those system admins who manage fleets of 
devices(e.g. Enterprise Licenses for Windows Enterprise and 
E3-$34/user/mo.; or E5-$55/user/mo.)....but who knows maybe some system 
admin or system admin managed user exist in this group lurking for years.

Not owning the software also has no relevance, nor does the original 
cross-post to the Linux group(removed from this reply).


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#15545

From"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Message-ID<vk5vjq$3v34m$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15495
On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote:
> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users-hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/>
> 
> ​Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product
> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps.
> 

It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a 
real-time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and 
"offline". :)

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#15554

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Message-ID<nuy9P.28629$aTp4.27488@fx09.iad>
In reply to#15545
Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- 
>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/>
>>
>> ​Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product
>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps.
>>
> 
> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- 
> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and 
> "offline". :)

The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person 
who bought the software, you don't own it.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#15635

From"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Message-ID<vkbuqd$18m92$2@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15554
On 21/12/2024 8:26 pm, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real-
>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and
>> "offline". :)
> 
> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person
> who bought the software, you don't own it.

If you really paid for it, the online check should still tell you that 
you own it, or at least, you have a "digital entitlement".  :)

Office 365 is not the same as the older standalone Office 2021. Well... 
I am still using 2007 and 2010.

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#15653

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Message-ID<9OCcnRW7grqkbPT6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@earthlink.com>
In reply to#15635
In alt.comp.os.windows-11 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21/12/2024 8:26 pm, CrudeSausage wrote:
> > Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> >> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote:
> >>
> >> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real-
> >> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and
> >> "offline". :)
> > 
> > The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person
> > who bought the software, you don't own it.

> If you really paid for it, the online check should still tell you that 
> you own it, or at least, you have a "digital entitlement".  :)

And if this company goes away... :(


> Office 365 is not the same as the older standalone Office 2021. Well... 
> I am still using 2007 and 2010.

I am using updated 2007 SR3 and LibreOffice, but I rarely use Office 
anymore like my younger days since Office 95.

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#15685

From"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Message-ID<vkfva1$28j6k$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15653
On 24/12/2024 7:24 am, Ant wrote:
> 
> I am using updated 2007 SR3 and LibreOffice, but I rarely use Office
> anymore like my younger days since Office 95.

As a programmer, I also seldom use Office, except for writing 
application letters and resume.

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#15687

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Message-ID<nhidnRVe4vqlMfb6nZ2dnZfqn_cAAAAA@earthlink.com>
In reply to#15685
In alt.comp.os.windows-11 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/12/2024 7:24 am, Ant wrote:
> > 
> > I am using updated 2007 SR3 and LibreOffice, but I rarely use Office
> > anymore like my younger days since Office 95.

> As a programmer, I also seldom use Office, except for writing 
> application letters and resume.

Like me!
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#15692

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Message-ID<vkhqif$2hvap$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15685
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:48:16 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> As a programmer, I also seldom use Office, except for writing
> application letters and resume.

As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That includes 
the ability to automate workflow.

Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which are 
the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run Python 
code.

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#15696

From"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Message-ID<vkmd9n$3l76a$4@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15692
On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That includes
> the ability to automate workflow.
> 
> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which are
> the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run Python
> code.

My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using VBA.

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#15697

FromChar Jackson <none@none.invalid>
Date2024-12-27 11:31 -0600
Message-ID<ktotmjhuck92mbcpbi8q6rinvspq3qc49q@4ax.com>
In reply to#15696
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That includes
>> the ability to automate workflow.
>> 
>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which are
>> the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run Python
>> code.
>
>My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using VBA.

[c.o.l.a snipped]

I use VBA very, very frequently, almost exclusively within Excel, but it's also
available for the other major MS Office modules. I wouldn't want to be without
it.

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#15698

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Message-ID<vko7up$6qks$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15696
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That includes
>> the ability to automate workflow.
>> 
>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which are
>> the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run Python
>> code.
> 
> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using VBA.

So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.

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#15699

From"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Message-ID<vkoeb0$85fe$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#15698
On 28/12/2024 3:04 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using VBA.
> 
> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.

And downright old and legacy management information systems(MIS)!!! :)

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#15700

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Message-ID<ltb26aFov8dU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#15698
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:04:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> 
>> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> 
>>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That
>>> includes the ability to automate workflow.
>>> 
>>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which
>>> are the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run
>>> Python code.
>> 
>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using
>> VBA.
> 
> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.

You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office?  

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#15701

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Message-ID<fUYbP.143220$bYV2.129957@fx17.iad>
In reply to#15700
On 2024-12-28 14:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:04:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That
>>>> includes the ability to automate workflow.
>>>>
>>>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which
>>>> are the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run
>>>> Python code.
>>>
>>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using
>>> VBA.
>>
>> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.
> 
> You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office?

Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as 
some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't 
do much other than open up Word and Excel.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

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#15702

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Message-ID<vpm0njh1ebgjs37ohhpq0tbvhq1mutjoac@4ax.com>
In reply to#15701
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-12-28 14:34, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>> You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office?
>
>Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as 
>some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't 
>do much other than open up Word and Excel.


Yes, they get these people to buy a laptop every three years, to keep
up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
computer is beyond what they could know.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15703

FromAndrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
Date2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Message-ID<II_bP.117623$ZAue.69791@fx12.iad>
In reply to#15702
On 2024-12-28 15:12, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-28 14:34, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>> You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office?
>>
>> Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as
>> some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't
>> do much other than open up Word and Excel.
> 
> 
> Yes, they get these people to buy a laptop every three years, to keep
> up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
> Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
> computer is beyond what they could know.

I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more 
than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling 
today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need 
to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't 
offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than 
video editing or gaming.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

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#15704

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Message-ID<75u0nj5lmr8ncph7vdemdtph8r2asc5jh7@4ax.com>
In reply to#15703
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>> people ... buy a laptop every three years, to keep
>> up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
>> Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
>> computer is beyond what they could know.
>
>I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more 
>than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling 
>today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need 
>to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't 
>offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than 
>video editing or gaming.


It's just a scheme to keep people upgrading hardware.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#15732

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Message-ID<vks3mp$12a03$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#15704
On 12/28/24 5:17 PM, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> 
>>> people ... buy a laptop every three years, to keep
>>> up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
>>> Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
>>> computer is beyond what they could know.
>>
>> I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more
>> than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling
>> today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need
>> to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't
>> offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than
>> video editing or gaming.
> 
> 
> It's just a scheme to keep people upgrading hardware.


Only if you allow it to be.

Case in point, I've recently replaced a 2017 laptop, which in its seven 
years of use only had $135 in MS software purchases: that's <$2/month. 
Its replacement's initial software was $100 (MS Office 2024), which 
should be good for four years and be similarly cost just ~$2/month.

If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe 
Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.


-hh

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#15734

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Message-ID<7e83nj9u4odffnkir4rk9bjqr9nk6q106j@4ax.com>
In reply to#15732
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/28/24 5:17 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> 
>>>> people ... buy a laptop every three years, to keep
>>>> up with M$'s grotesque OS's bloat, so that they can have their pretty
>>>> Office apps.  It's unbelievable.  The value I'm getting from my
>>>> computer is beyond what they could know.
>>>
>>> I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more
>>> than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling
>>> today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need
>>> to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't
>>> offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than
>>> video editing or gaming.
>> 
>> It's just a scheme to keep people upgrading hardware.
>
>Only if you allow it to be.


Hence why I'm running and advocating Linux.


>Case in point, I've recently replaced a 2017 laptop, which in its seven 
>years of use only had $135 in MS software purchases: that's <$2/month. 
>Its replacement's initial software was $100 (MS Office 2024), which 
>should be good for four years and be similarly cost just ~$2/month.
>
>If I optionally choose to add photo editing, a new license for Adobe 
>Photoshop Elements is currently $70 for 3 years, which is ~$2/month.


Sure, but that doesn't address increasing demands on hardware.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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