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| Started by | MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-12-30 02:09 +0000 |
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Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 02:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-29 22:48 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 08:29 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-30 09:28 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:14 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-30 09:40 -0700
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:32 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:12 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 06:31 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 07:48 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:07 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 16:40 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2024-12-31 15:53 -0700
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:00 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 20:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 04:44 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-01 10:41 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:48 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:36 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:49 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:57 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:21 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:49 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-25 23:13 +1100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-25 08:07 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-25 17:42 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-01 09:03 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:55 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:16 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 13:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:44 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:12 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:37 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:51 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 04:00 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:47 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:16 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:16 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:54 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-31 09:39 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 07:27 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-31 20:34 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:53 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:57 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:36 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:18 -0700
OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 08:08 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 13:46 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-12-30 16:19 +0100
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 16:27 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-30 17:06 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 17:29 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 20:33 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:36 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:46 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:34 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-31 21:22 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 16:36 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:40 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 06:07 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:48 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:18 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 22:40 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:37 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:20 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router The Man With the Golden Touch <invalid@invalid.com> - 2024-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 05:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:28 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:57 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 15:16 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 20:25 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-01-01 21:23 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:42 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:50 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 11:59 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:58 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 23:19 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:58 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:10 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 16:17 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:10 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 19:14 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:50 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-02 23:18 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:44 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 02:58 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 16:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:13 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 19:36 +0000
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| From | MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 02:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router |
| Message-ID | <XnsB257CD1C776D6lonelydad58.gmail.co@85.12.62.251> |
OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty much emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. Please guide me!
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 22:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <8fn1mamcij16$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #15767 |
MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty > much emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to > the USB port so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my > Android tablet and phone. Please guide me! Brand (Google?) and model are required. That it has a "Google" sticker on it doesn't mean Google manufactured it. Check the other labels to see if you can find the actual brand and model. Just because there is a USB port does *not* mean it is usable for mass storage. Often it is just for maintenance, like firmware updates. Searching for the brand and model, and a manual, might find you the information on that router to know just what the USB port is used for.
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 08:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vktllr$1i3s6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15767 |
MajorLanGod wrote: > OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty much > emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port > so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and > phone. Please guide me! > Don't! Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. I've met routers (generally for a satellite connection, e.g. Starlink) that don't have Ethernet sockets - so you then have to get a WiFi client device to provide the Ethernet socket. You can reconfigure a redundant router with WiFi to operate in this way. -- Graham J
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| From | wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 09:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vktp4q$1ioil$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15789 |
On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: > MajorLanGod wrote: >> OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty >> much >> emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB >> port >> so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and >> phone. Please guide me! >> > > > Don't! > > Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. > > I've met routers (generally for a satellite connection, e.g. Starlink) > that don't have Ethernet sockets - so you then have to get a WiFi client > device to provide the Ethernet socket. You can reconfigure a redundant > router with WiFi to operate in this way. > Why not. I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back up storage, until I changed routers. It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. -- Regards wasbit
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 16:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkugsp$1n052$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15792 |
On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote: > > On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: >> >> MajorLanGod wrote: >>> >>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it >>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. >> >> Don't! >> >> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. > > Why not. > I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back > up storage, until I changed routers. > It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power. I agree that a NAS is preferable. They can be a hassle to set up, but once that is done they sit on the network and are always available for backing up. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 09:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sti5njpibudddlp5bfmhpc46l5f1pdkhml@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15804 |
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:14:13 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote: >> >> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: >>> >>> MajorLanGod wrote: >>>> >>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it >>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. >>> >>> Don't! >>> >>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. >> >> Why not. >> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back >> up storage, until I changed routers. >> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. > >A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power. > >I agree that a NAS is preferable. They can be a hassle to set up, but >once that is done they sit on the network and are always available for >backing up. But they are not available for restoring if they are stolen or infected by malware. Afaic, a backup should not be permanently attached and preferably should not even be in the same location I have several levels of backup. Yes, a couple are permanently attached to the computer, but they are not the only ones I have.
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6772e2de$0$1786$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #15806 |
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 09:40:54 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] > But they are not available for restoring if they are stolen or infected > by malware. Afaic, a backup should not be permanently attached and > preferably should not even be in the same location I agree. Also, have two backup devices and never connect them at the same time. Use them alternately. > I have several levels of backup. Yes, a couple are permanently attached > to the computer, but they are not the only ones I have. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "My mind is my own church." -- Thomas Paine
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 23:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0kjb4lxp36.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #15804 |
On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote: > On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote: >> >> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: >>> >>> MajorLanGod wrote: >>>> >>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it >>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. >>> >>> Don't! >>> >>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. >> >> Why not. >> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy >> back up storage, until I changed routers. >> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. > > A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power. Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a laptop, typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector. > I agree that a NAS is preferable. They can be a hassle to set up, but > once that is done they sit on the network and are always available for > backing up. Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You really have to read the manual to find out capabilities. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 23:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkv9v2$1rhkn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15818 |
On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote: >> >> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote: >>> >>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: >>>> >>>> MajorLanGod wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it >>>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. >>>> >>>> Don't! >>>> >>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. >>> >>> Why not. >>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy >>> back up storage, until I changed routers. >>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. >> >> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of >> power. > > Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a laptop, > typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector. I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe. >> I agree that a NAS is preferable. They can be a hassle to set up, but >> once that is done they sit on the network and are always available for >> backing up. > > Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You > really have to read the manual to find out capabilities. Possibly so, but then there's nothing more we can say to the OP except RTFM. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 03:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <th0c4lxlhi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #15821 |
On 2024-12-31 00:22, Java Jive wrote: > On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote: >>> >>> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote: >>>> >>>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote: >>>>> >>>>> MajorLanGod wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can >>>>>> access it >>>>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone. >>>>> >>>>> Don't! >>>>> >>>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router. >>>> >>>> Why not. >>>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy >>>> back up storage, until I changed routers. >>>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power. >>> >>> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of >>> power. >> >> Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a laptop, >> typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector. > > I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB > stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe. Hard drive is a generic wording for an SSD too, says my hardware vendor. Meaning, the SSDs are listed in the hard disk department. NVMe too, but they don't talk USB. They might, but would be a waste of money. > >>> I agree that a NAS is preferable. They can be a hassle to set up, >>> but once that is done they sit on the network and are always >>> available for backing up. >> >> Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You >> really have to read the manual to find out capabilities. > > Possibly so, but then there's nothing more we can say to the OP except > RTFM. > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 06:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl0kmf$27cu1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15832 |
On Mon, 12/30/2024 9:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 00:22, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it
>>>>>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not.
>>>>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back up storage, until I changed routers.
>>>>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
>>>>
>>>> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power.
>>>
>>> Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a laptop, typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector.
>>
>> I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe.
>
> Hard drive is a generic wording for an SSD too, says my hardware vendor. Meaning, the SSDs are listed in the hard disk department. NVMe too, but they don't talk USB. They might, but would be a waste of money.
No.
This is why your vendor is a vendor and not a technician.
We use "hard drive" for rotating media. Hard drive was originally used,
to distinguish the rigid platter from the floppy platter of the
floppy drive. The first consumer hard drives, the mechanism driving
the heads, was almost a dead ringer for the same thing on the floppy.
The heads moved radially, propelled by a stepper motor, and being
open loop (no way to tell it was on-track or not). It was at that point,
the hard drive industry exploded... and then collapsed, with the
winners taking all. Many companies did stupid stuff, and were rewarded
for it. For example, one hard drive I had in the lab, an 8" diameter
hard drive, the spindle was on a *stepper motor*, which generates
nothing but torque ripple. Which is the exact opposite of the
characteristic of hard drives today (minimal torque ripple and
minimal variation in platter rotational speed).
Nothing rotates on a solid state drive. That's why it is "solid state".
Not all of our terminology is that precise, but some things are pretty clear.
That's why I'm not extending this post with any more device types :-)
*******
You can place an NVMe in a USB tray, and access at 1GB/sec or 2GB/sec.
The 1GB/sec is all that you really need, as the 2GB/sec spec (USB3.2 2x2)
was considered to be an orphan. The USB4 ecosystem, will see yet another
flavor of NVMe tray delivered, but that could take a while. Just as USB4
has taken a long time to emerge.
In this example, the enclosure ("tray") is missing, and the thing
is open form factor. You can slide a 2280 into the connector, fasten
the screw at the 80mm post, and the device is then ready to use.
The connector they've chosen, the tang is the wrong color, and a red
tang would be a better representation of the SS10 speed (~1GB/sec
real world). With the presumably 4.5 watt limit on power for the USB
connector, there is some possibility of power starvation on this thing.
The older NVMe I've got as a sampler, is 5.8 watts max. But that's
5.8 watts at 3.5GB/sec versus the 1.0GB/sec of the tray access. We hope
and suspect it would work, but we don't know for sure.
https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Board-Converter-M-Key-Reader/dp/B097BC1RY4
Paul
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 12:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl0n45$27s8e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15835 |
On 2024-12-31 11:31, Paul wrote: > > On Mon, 12/30/2024 9:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> On 2024-12-31 00:22, Java Jive wrote: >>> >>> I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe. >> >> Hard drive is a generic wording for an SSD too, says my hardware vendor. Meaning, the SSDs are listed in the hard disk department. NVMe too, but they don't talk USB. They might, but would be a waste of money. > > No. > > This is why your vendor is a vendor and not a technician. > > We use "hard drive" for rotating media. Hard drive was originally used, > to distinguish the rigid platter from the floppy platter of the > floppy drive. The first consumer hard drives, the mechanism driving > the heads, was almost a dead ringer for the same thing on the floppy. > The heads moved radially, propelled by a stepper motor, and being > open loop (no way to tell it was on-track or not). It was at that point, > the hard drive industry exploded... and then collapsed, with the > winners taking all. Many companies did stupid stuff, and were rewarded > for it. For example, one hard drive I had in the lab, an 8" diameter > hard drive, the spindle was on a *stepper motor*, which generates > nothing but torque ripple. Which is the exact opposite of the > characteristic of hard drives today (minimal torque ripple and > minimal variation in platter rotational speed). > > Nothing rotates on a solid state drive. That's why it is "solid state". > > Not all of our terminology is that precise, but some things are pretty clear. > That's why I'm not extending this post with any more device types :-) Or, in summary, the expression "hard drive" should imply a 'mechanism' where something is 'driven', which is not the case with an SSD, but, there again, the acronym stands for "Solid State Drive", even though nothing is driven; "Solid State Disk" might be/have been better, but they're not usually circular either :-) To me ... HD -> Spinning rust storage SSD -> Silicon storage ... but the expression was first used by the OP, so, if he's interested which he doesn't appear to be, only he can explain which or both he meant in his OP. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 07:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1rzjkxvm3eqrp.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #15837 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > Or, in summary, the expression "hard drive" should imply a 'mechanism' > where something is 'driven', which is not the case with an SSD, but, > there again, the acronym stands for "Solid State Drive", even though > nothing is driven; "Solid State Disk" might be/have been better, but > they're not usually circular either :-) > > To me ... > HD -> Spinning rust storage > SSD -> Silicon storage > ... but the expression was first used by the OP, so, if he's interested > which he doesn't appear to be, only he can explain which or both he > meant in his OP. The term "hard drive" was fabricated back in 1956 to differentiate from tape drives that pre-dated hard drives by just 5 years. Both are magnetic storage media. SSDs are not magnetic. At one time, there were magnetic bubble drives, also magnetic storage. Not all hard drives were ferrous (rust). Some had a chromium coating. Been several decades since I've seen iron oxide (rust) on the platters.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 14:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl0tqm$290kf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15839 |
On 2024-12-31 13:48, VanguardLH wrote: > > The term "hard drive" was fabricated back in 1956 to differentiate from > tape drives that pre-dated hard drives by just 5 years. No, as Paul has already explained up thread, 'hard' drives were so-called to distinguish them from 'floppy' drives. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 16:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ng3lifys320n.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #15841 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-12-31 13:48, VanguardLH wrote: >> >> The term "hard drive" was fabricated back in 1956 to differentiate from >> tape drives that pre-dated hard drives by just 5 years. > > No, as Paul has already explained up thread, 'hard' drives were > so-called to distinguish them from 'floppy' drives. Um, when did floppy drives appear, again? Tape drives: 1951. Hard drives: 1956. 8" floppy drives: 1960. 5.25" floppy drives: 1971. So, you and Paul are saying "hard" was used to differentiate from "floppy", but floppy drives didn't show up for another 4 years. Awesome how the folks back then came up with terminology for technology that did not yet exist.
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| From | Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 15:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vl1sls$2e7o3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15869 |
On 12/31/2024 3:40 PM, VanguardLH wrote: > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2024-12-31 13:48, VanguardLH wrote: >>> >>> The term "hard drive" was fabricated back in 1956 to differentiate from >>> tape drives that pre-dated hard drives by just 5 years. >> >> No, as Paul has already explained up thread, 'hard' drives were >> so-called to distinguish them from 'floppy' drives. > > Um, when did floppy drives appear, again? > Tape drives: 1951. > Hard drives: 1956. > 8" floppy drives: 1960. > 5.25" floppy drives: 1971. > > So, you and Paul are saying "hard" was used to differentiate from > "floppy", but floppy drives didn't show up for another 4 years. Awesome > how the folks back then came up with terminology for technology that did > not yet exist. My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what was the dock for a tape. Further, many of the early disks were like tapes in that the media and the drive were separate entities. So the vocabulary and the packaging technologies were changing rather quickly and the vocabulary was rather a mesh mash by the early/middle 19670s. I think this is one of those discussions where everybody will be partially correct and partially ignorant of some periods when history doesn't agree with them. -- Jeff Barnett
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 00:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl20j0$2f3ji$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15870 |
On 2024-12-31 22:53, Jeff Barnett wrote: > > My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to > distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives > and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what > was the dock for a tape Quite. AFAICR, the adjectives 'hard' and 'floppy' only were adopted when it became necessary to distinguish the two types of disk storage from each other. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 20:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <g6in650usr2v$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #15872 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-12-31 22:53, Jeff Barnett wrote: >> >> My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to >> distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives >> and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what >> was the dock for a tape > > Quite. AFAICR, the adjectives 'hard' and 'floppy' only were adopted > when it became necessary to distinguish the two types of disk storage > from each other. This is my recollection going back about 50+ years: - "Tape" was a punch tape. That was the tape you wound up into a roll to stuff in your pocket, not the punch machine that perforated the paper tape. Same for punch cards which were not the punch machines. The drive punched or read the holes. Tapes and cards were the storage media, not the drives or readers. - Later the "tapes" were the spools containing the magnetic plastic strips. Nobody called them tape spools, just tapes. Tape drives were on what you mounted the tapes. Tape drives were never called just tapes. Tapes could remain mounted in the tape drives, or could sit in vertical organizers, lay on shelves, or hang from racks. They were portable. The tape drives were not. - Later cartridge tapes appeared along with the cartridge drives to use them. Some cartridge drives handled only 1 cartridge at a time, some handled 6 (they could cycle through a stack of 6 cartridges). After cartridge tapes showed up was when robotic units appeared that handled moving the cartridges into and out of the cartridge drives. Spooled tapes were too finicky requiring manual mounting on the tape drives. Although they had a vacuum-assisted mounting function, you had to mount the spool, feed the tape, and ensure the slack loops were properly sized. - Cartridge tapes showed up for PCs, but weren't reliable usually suffering from stretch (no slack loops), plus the film was too thin for heavy repeated use. - HDA (Hard Disk Assembly) were the drives where platters could not be swapped out. They were also called fixed disks. The HDA was about the size of a dishwasher. To move the storage media meant hauling the entire unit. The storage media (platters), heads, motor, and logic were one unit. - Then came removable Winchester packs you could insert or remove to separate from the controller unit. Park the heads, turn off, wait for spin down, twist the shell a quarter turn, and lift out the pack. Unlike HDAs aka fixed disks, the Winchester packs were removable, but they only contained the platter(s) and head assembly while the motor and electronics were back in the controller unit. You could take the Winchester pack to another drive unit with similar attributes, but you weren't moving around both the pack and drive. The heads were included inside the pack with the platters to ensure proper alignment of the two. - The later ATA (AT Attached, originally AT bus attached, for IBM's AT PC) drives were also Winchester disks, except the electronics were added to the drive case along with the motor. This is the HDD that we use today: platters, heads, motor, and control logic. Move an HDD, and the platters, heads, motor, and logic all move together. Before even 8" floppy (Pelican) disks showed up, we had HDAs, and that was an acronym for HARD Disk Assembly. The term HDA encompassed both "hard" and "disk". Back then, the mainframe occupied part of the computer room, but most of it was occupied with banks of HDAs with some space occupied by tape drives (whether tapes were mounted on them, or not). The smallest computer room where I worked had 36 HDAs (fixed), 2 Winchesters, 8 tape drives, and 2 6-cartridge drives. The tapes were stored by hanging on racks. The cartridges went into slot organizers, or sat on shelves. The Winchester packs usually sat atop the drive unit if not mounted inside. Floppies didn't yet exist yet the fixed disks were also called HDAs. The ATA HDDs (Hard Disk Drives) that most here know about didn't show up until around 1984. ATA drives include RLL/MFM, IDE, PATA (Parallel ATA), SATA (Serial ATA), and SSD types. I think the last time I saw rust (iron oxide) platters was for Winchester packs. Ever open up an HDD from any PC you've ever owned? I thought they switched to iron-cobalt about 40 years ago. The platters are shiny looking, like chrome plating, not dull red, like rust. Rust is significantly less magnetic than iron-cobalt which has higher saturation magnetism and stronger dipoles (less like to fade on bit integrity due to dipole stress). Rust is weak for magnetic recording compared to iron-cobalt.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 04:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl2h8c$2l6gq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15881 |
On 2025-01-01 02:46, VanguardLH wrote: > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> On 2024-12-31 22:53, Jeff Barnett wrote: >>> >>> My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to >>> distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives >>> and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what >>> was the dock for a tape >> >> Quite. AFAICR, the adjectives 'hard' and 'floppy' only were adopted >> when it became necessary to distinguish the two types of disk storage >> from each other. > > This is my recollection going back about 50+ years: [snip overkill rambling which doesn't accord with my own recollections] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers My recollection is different, but what really matters is not what any one person's memory tells them, but accepted, documented history, which in this case happens to agree with my own recollections. If you search the section of this history entitled "The beginnings of the personal computer industry" for the the term 'disk', the adjective 'floppy' appears well before the adjective 'hard', understandably enough, because, as I remember, floppy drives were cheaper than hard drives: "Even the first IBM PC model, aimed at the relatively well financed business market, originally included a cassette interface out of concern that purchasers might be dissuaded by the price of a disk drive." (meaning a floppy disk drive) Hard disks are not mentioned until the section on the TRS-80: "Eventually, 5.25-inch floppy drives and megabyte-capacity hard disks were made available by Tandy and third parties." -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 10:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20250101104113.bc596d7c3dcaadb2abc26d07@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #15885 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 04:44:56 +0000 Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-01-01 02:46, VanguardLH wrote: > > > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > >> > >> On 2024-12-31 22:53, Jeff Barnett wrote: > >>> > >>> My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to > >>> distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives > >>> and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what > >>> was the dock for a tape > >> > >> Quite. AFAICR, the adjectives 'hard' and 'floppy' only were adopted > >> when it became necessary to distinguish the two types of disk storage > >> from each other. > > > > This is my recollection going back about 50+ years: > > [snip overkill rambling which doesn't accord with my own recollections] > Ah, the arrogance of youth! > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers > > My recollection is different, but what really matters is not what any > one person's memory tells them, but accepted, documented history, which > in this case happens to agree with my own recollections. If you search > the section of this history entitled "The beginnings of the personal > computer industry" for the the term 'disk', the adjective 'floppy' > appears well before the adjective 'hard', understandably enough, > because, as I remember, floppy drives were cheaper than hard drives: > The terms used in this context (floppy disk and hard disk) were limited, as your link hints, to *Personal* Computers. mainframes predate them by quite a bit. > "Even the first IBM PC model, aimed at the relatively well financed > business market, originally included a cassette interface out of concern > that purchasers might be dissuaded by the price of a disk drive." > > (meaning a floppy disk drive) > > Hard disks are not mentioned until the section on the TRS-80: > > "Eventually, 5.25-inch floppy drives and megabyte-capacity hard disks > were made available by Tandy and third parties." > > -- > > Fake news kills! > > I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: > www.macfh.co.uk > -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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