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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router |
| Date | 2024-12-31 20:46 -0600 |
| Organization | Usenet Elder |
| Message-ID | <g6in650usr2v$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> (permalink) |
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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-12-31 22:53, Jeff Barnett wrote: >> >> My recollection: I don't think the term "hard drive" was used to >> distinguish them from tape. They were simply called disks or disk drives >> and tapes were called just tapes since the term "tape drive" was what >> was the dock for a tape > > Quite. AFAICR, the adjectives 'hard' and 'floppy' only were adopted > when it became necessary to distinguish the two types of disk storage > from each other. This is my recollection going back about 50+ years: - "Tape" was a punch tape. That was the tape you wound up into a roll to stuff in your pocket, not the punch machine that perforated the paper tape. Same for punch cards which were not the punch machines. The drive punched or read the holes. Tapes and cards were the storage media, not the drives or readers. - Later the "tapes" were the spools containing the magnetic plastic strips. Nobody called them tape spools, just tapes. Tape drives were on what you mounted the tapes. Tape drives were never called just tapes. Tapes could remain mounted in the tape drives, or could sit in vertical organizers, lay on shelves, or hang from racks. They were portable. The tape drives were not. - Later cartridge tapes appeared along with the cartridge drives to use them. Some cartridge drives handled only 1 cartridge at a time, some handled 6 (they could cycle through a stack of 6 cartridges). After cartridge tapes showed up was when robotic units appeared that handled moving the cartridges into and out of the cartridge drives. Spooled tapes were too finicky requiring manual mounting on the tape drives. Although they had a vacuum-assisted mounting function, you had to mount the spool, feed the tape, and ensure the slack loops were properly sized. - Cartridge tapes showed up for PCs, but weren't reliable usually suffering from stretch (no slack loops), plus the film was too thin for heavy repeated use. - HDA (Hard Disk Assembly) were the drives where platters could not be swapped out. They were also called fixed disks. The HDA was about the size of a dishwasher. To move the storage media meant hauling the entire unit. The storage media (platters), heads, motor, and logic were one unit. - Then came removable Winchester packs you could insert or remove to separate from the controller unit. Park the heads, turn off, wait for spin down, twist the shell a quarter turn, and lift out the pack. Unlike HDAs aka fixed disks, the Winchester packs were removable, but they only contained the platter(s) and head assembly while the motor and electronics were back in the controller unit. You could take the Winchester pack to another drive unit with similar attributes, but you weren't moving around both the pack and drive. The heads were included inside the pack with the platters to ensure proper alignment of the two. - The later ATA (AT Attached, originally AT bus attached, for IBM's AT PC) drives were also Winchester disks, except the electronics were added to the drive case along with the motor. This is the HDD that we use today: platters, heads, motor, and control logic. Move an HDD, and the platters, heads, motor, and logic all move together. Before even 8" floppy (Pelican) disks showed up, we had HDAs, and that was an acronym for HARD Disk Assembly. The term HDA encompassed both "hard" and "disk". Back then, the mainframe occupied part of the computer room, but most of it was occupied with banks of HDAs with some space occupied by tape drives (whether tapes were mounted on them, or not). The smallest computer room where I worked had 36 HDAs (fixed), 2 Winchesters, 8 tape drives, and 2 6-cartridge drives. The tapes were stored by hanging on racks. The cartridges went into slot organizers, or sat on shelves. The Winchester packs usually sat atop the drive unit if not mounted inside. Floppies didn't yet exist yet the fixed disks were also called HDAs. The ATA HDDs (Hard Disk Drives) that most here know about didn't show up until around 1984. ATA drives include RLL/MFM, IDE, PATA (Parallel ATA), SATA (Serial ATA), and SSD types. I think the last time I saw rust (iron oxide) platters was for Winchester packs. Ever open up an HDD from any PC you've ever owned? I thought they switched to iron-cobalt about 40 years ago. The platters are shiny looking, like chrome plating, not dull red, like rust. Rust is significantly less magnetic than iron-cobalt which has higher saturation magnetism and stronger dipoles (less like to fade on bit integrity due to dipole stress). Rust is weak for magnetic recording compared to iron-cobalt.
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Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 02:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-29 22:48 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 08:29 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-30 09:28 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:14 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-30 09:40 -0700
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:32 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:12 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 06:31 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 07:48 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:07 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 16:40 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2024-12-31 15:53 -0700
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:00 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 20:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 04:44 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-01 10:41 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:48 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:36 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:49 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:57 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:21 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:49 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-25 23:13 +1100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-25 08:07 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-25 17:42 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-01 09:03 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:55 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:16 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 13:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:44 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:12 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:37 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:51 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 04:00 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:47 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:16 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:16 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:54 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-31 09:39 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 07:27 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-31 20:34 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:53 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:57 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:36 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:18 -0700
OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 08:08 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 13:46 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-12-30 16:19 +0100
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 16:27 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-30 17:06 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 17:29 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 20:33 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:36 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:46 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:34 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0000
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-31 21:22 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 16:36 -0500
Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:40 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 06:07 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:48 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:18 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 22:40 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:37 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:20 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router The Man With the Golden Touch <invalid@invalid.com> - 2024-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:22 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 05:46 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:28 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:57 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 15:16 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 20:25 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-01-01 21:23 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:42 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:50 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 11:59 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:58 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 23:19 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:58 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:10 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 16:17 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:10 -0500
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 19:14 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:50 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-02 23:18 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:44 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 02:58 +0100
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 16:09 +0000
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:13 -0600
Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 19:36 +0000
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