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  Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 18:00 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:28 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 18:39 +0100
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:46 -0400
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 20:16 +0100
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:11 -0400
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 12:10 +0100
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:52 -0400
                  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:05 +0100
                    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:38 +0000
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 13:13 -0700
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:31 -0400
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:02 -0700
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:23 -0400
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:50 -0400
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:55 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 14:43 +0000
                  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:19 +0100
                    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 +0000
                    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:07 -0700
                      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 -0400
                        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 15:43 +0000
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 17:12 -0400
                  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:12 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-25 19:06 +0100
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:20 +0000
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-26 11:59 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 12:51 -0700
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 17:58 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 16:13 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 13:19 -0700
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 18:28 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:27 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:28 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:08 -0700
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-25 20:29 -0500
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-26 10:10 +0100
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:36 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 22:01 +0100
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:38 -0500
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 22:26 -0500

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#183988 — Bypass Recycle Bin

I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be 
holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its 
Properties; then switch back afterwards.
Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
Cool.

Ed

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#183990

On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
> Cool.
> 
> Ed

Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
"shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.

I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.

The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
than that, because no animation is required for that method.

   Paul

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#183991

Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>> Cool.
>>
>> Ed
> 
> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
> 
> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
> 
> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
> 
>     Paul

What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
(:-


Ed

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#184001

On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>
>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>
>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
> (:-
> 
> 
> Ed

Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
(in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

Win11 doesn't have an LCU.

   Paul

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#184004

Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>> Cool.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>
>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>
>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>
>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>> (:-
>>
>>
>> Ed
> 
> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
> 
> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
> 
> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
> 
> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
> 
> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
> 
>     Paul

Jeez, yes. That's new to me, but mine contains 2 1/4GB* of stuff.
Can I safely delete it?

Ed

* I'm favouring pre-decimal terminology. This is in support of paper 
money which is disappearing in the UK so rapidly in favour of plastic 
cards that it'll probably be obsolete in a few years.

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#184009

On Fri, 4/25/2025 3:16 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>>
>>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>>
>>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>
>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>>> (:-
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>
>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>>
>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>>
>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>>
>> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> Jeez, yes. That's new to me, but mine contains 2 1/4GB* of stuff.
> Can I safely delete it?
> 
> Ed
> 
> * I'm favouring pre-decimal terminology. This is in support of paper money which is disappearing in the UK so rapidly in favour of plastic cards that it'll probably be obsolete in a few years.
> 

I don't know what the "re-use" method is, so I can't say
whether it has ever been used/needed by Microsoft. Microsoft did
do a rollback recently, as a cure for some crashing systems (kernel
level issue).

   "In the worst-case scenario, you may be unable to uninstall
    the latest quality update. But I don't think deleting an LCU subfolder
    is as risky as deleting a folder under WinSxS or Servicing\Packages.
    _________________________
    Ramesh, Windows Shell MVP
   "

https://superuser.com/questions/1810433/c-windows-servicing-lcu-slowing-down-servers-and-workstations-mitigate-automat

I would do a Repair Install, the first time it causes an issue. And there
is always RevertPending if something blows up before the Patch Tuesday finished.

At one time, it was claimed you could delete the contents of WinSxS
(and at least, have the OS still able to boot, but not be "maintain-able"),
but when I tested that here, it would not boot after that. Whereas, at least
so far, the LCU cleaning (removing the Packages underneath that folder),
has worked OK for me. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, but
if they think so highly of their handicraft, why don't they put that
crap in a container, so it's in one file per package ? There's no
good reason to put bushels of files on my fucking C: :-/ My C:
drive is not a toilet.

   Paul

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#184056

Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 3:16 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Paul
>>>>
>>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>>>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>>>> (:-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>>
>>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>>>
>>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>>>
>>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>>>
>>> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>
>> Jeez, yes. That's new to me, but mine contains 2 1/4GB* of stuff.
>> Can I safely delete it?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> * I'm favouring pre-decimal terminology. This is in support of paper money which is disappearing in the UK so rapidly in favour of plastic cards that it'll probably be obsolete in a few years.
>>
> 
> I don't know what the "re-use" method is, so I can't say
> whether it has ever been used/needed by Microsoft. Microsoft did
> do a rollback recently, as a cure for some crashing systems (kernel
> level issue).
> 
>     "In the worst-case scenario, you may be unable to uninstall
>      the latest quality update. But I don't think deleting an LCU subfolder
>      is as risky as deleting a folder under WinSxS or Servicing\Packages.
>      _________________________
>      Ramesh, Windows Shell MVP
>     "
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/1810433/c-windows-servicing-lcu-slowing-down-servers-and-workstations-mitigate-automat
> 
> I would do a Repair Install, the first time it causes an issue. And there
> is always RevertPending if something blows up before the Patch Tuesday finished.
> 
> At one time, it was claimed you could delete the contents of WinSxS
> (and at least, have the OS still able to boot, but not be "maintain-able"),
> but when I tested that here, it would not boot after that. Whereas, at least
> so far, the LCU cleaning (removing the Packages underneath that folder),
> has worked OK for me. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, but
> if they think so highly of their handicraft, why don't they put that
> crap in a container, so it's in one file per package ? There's no
> good reason to put bushels of files on my fucking C: :-/ My C:
> drive is not a toilet.
> 
>     Paul

My SSDs on all machines never get close to even half full, so I don't 
know why I spend time clearing the Temp folders; perhaps it's just a 
left-over impulse from earlier computing days. I'm a tidiness freak.
It's also dangerous to go cleaning without full understanding of what 
you're doing. I'm going to slap my wrists and tell myself to leave well 
enough alone.

Curiosity drives me to look in all the corners; and what I find is quite 
startling. Left-overs of all kinds; full installation packages in some 
cases.
Sloppiness? Or have things changed so radically since I was a programmer?

Ed

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#184057

On 4/26/2025 7:10 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 3:16 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They 
>>>>>>> can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in 
>>>>>>> its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys 
>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>>>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>>>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>>>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>>>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>>>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>>>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>>>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>>>>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>>>>> (:-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>>>
>>>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>>>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>>>>
>>>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>>>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>>>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>>>>
>>>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>>>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>>>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>>>>
>>>> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>
>>> Jeez, yes. That's new to me, but mine contains 2 1/4GB* of stuff.
>>> Can I safely delete it?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> * I'm favouring pre-decimal terminology. This is in support of paper 
>>> money which is disappearing in the UK so rapidly in favour of plastic 
>>> cards that it'll probably be obsolete in a few years.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what the "re-use" method is, so I can't say
>> whether it has ever been used/needed by Microsoft. Microsoft did
>> do a rollback recently, as a cure for some crashing systems (kernel
>> level issue).
>>
>>     "In the worst-case scenario, you may be unable to uninstall
>>      the latest quality update. But I don't think deleting an LCU 
>> subfolder
>>      is as risky as deleting a folder under WinSxS or Servicing\Packages.
>>      _________________________
>>      Ramesh, Windows Shell MVP
>>     "
>>
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1810433/c-windows-servicing-lcu- 
>> slowing-down-servers-and-workstations-mitigate-automat
>>
>> I would do a Repair Install, the first time it causes an issue. And there
>> is always RevertPending if something blows up before the Patch Tuesday 
>> finished.
>>
>> At one time, it was claimed you could delete the contents of WinSxS
>> (and at least, have the OS still able to boot, but not be "maintain- 
>> able"),
>> but when I tested that here, it would not boot after that. Whereas, at 
>> least
>> so far, the LCU cleaning (removing the Packages underneath that folder),
>> has worked OK for me. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, but
>> if they think so highly of their handicraft, why don't they put that
>> crap in a container, so it's in one file per package ? There's no
>> good reason to put bushels of files on my fucking C: :-/ My C:
>> drive is not a toilet.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> My SSDs on all machines never get close to even half full, so I don't 
> know why I spend time clearing the Temp folders; perhaps it's just a 
> left-over impulse from earlier computing days. I'm a tidiness freak.
> It's also dangerous to go cleaning without full understanding of what 
> you're doing. I'm going to slap my wrists and tell myself to leave well 
> enough alone.
> 
> Curiosity drives me to look in all the corners; and what I find is quite 
> startling. Left-overs of all kinds; full installation packages in some 
> cases.
> Sloppiness? Or have things changed so radically since I was a programmer?
> 
> Ed
I just got this computer and the first experience with Windows 11.  With 
this discussion I went looking for the Disk Clean function, and could 
not find it in Windows 11.   I don't yet know how to access it directly 
but it can be found and run but search "Disk Clean" from the Start Menu.

I also discovered there is something call Storage Sense. As I understand 
it it is supposes to do the same functions as Disk Clean automatically 
on a user control schedule.

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#184065

knuttle wrote:

> 
> I also discovered there is something call Storage Sense. As I understand 
> it it is supposes to do the same functions as Disk Clean automatically 
> on a user control schedule.

No. Don't turn on Storage Sense. It's somebody else's opinion of what 
you want or don't want to save; somebody with a seat in the MS offices.
Use your own discretion; and use other means to keep your computer tidy.

Ed

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#184072

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> knuttle wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I also discovered there is something call Storage Sense. As I understand 
> > it it is supposes to do the same functions as Disk Clean automatically 
> > on a user control schedule.
> 
> No. Don't turn on Storage Sense. It's somebody else's opinion of what 
> you want or don't want to save; somebody with a seat in the MS offices.
> Use your own discretion; and use other means to keep your computer tidy.

  The Storage Sense settings clearly describe what they do (not) do. If
you only tick the (top and only) tickbox, it will only clean the %TEMP%
folder on a (Task Scheduler) schedule.

  See the February thread "Windows %TEMP% folder & files" in
alt.comp.os.windows-10 for details. This post summarizes everything
(note the author! :-)):

Message-ID: <vppss0.ddo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

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#184011

On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?

> 
> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
> 
> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2

 Volume in drive C is OS             Serial number is 4e90:7197

    Total for:  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
     3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs

Yikes!
 
> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar. 
And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait 
till Sunday or Monday before deleting.

Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older 
ones and leave only the most recent one in place?

> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.

Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6½ GB, and that gets backed up. To 
control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup 
to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the 
backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part 
of the C: image backup.

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#184015

On Fri, 4/25/2025 4:13 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
> 
>>
>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>
>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
> 
> C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2
> 
>  Volume in drive C is OS             Serial number is 4e90:7197
> 
>     Total for:  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
>      3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs
> 
> Yikes!
>  
>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
> 
> Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar. 
> And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait 
> till Sunday or Monday before deleting.
> 
> Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
> 2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older 
> ones and leave only the most recent one in place?
> 
>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
> 
> And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.
> 
> Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6½ GB, and that gets backed up. To 
> control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup 
> to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the 
> backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part 
> of the C: image backup.
> 

The "proper" cleaning procedure is apparently DISM and startcomponentcleanup
or something like that. That should remove all of them except two for April,
as a guess.

   "Run this in an elevated command prompt.
    It will remove all but the last (newest) folder in the LCU folder.

    Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
   "

I suppose that ensures that the maintenance system, knows the backup
items have been removed. Me yanking them away, maybe it never checks
that they are still present.

For the hiberfile

   powercfg /h off

and then test your backup. It should be gone then.

And for pagefile, I use Start : Run : sysdm.cpl  and adjust
the size of pagefile to be fixed (non-expandable) at 1024MB.
Sysdm.cpl looks like it did, in WinXP or so.

Removing the hiberfile can affect some features, such as
what happens when the system crashes and you really wanted
a complete image of the entire memory (that is not a default behavior
and has to be set up). It is used for hibernation.
It might even be used for Fast Start (which I don't use).

Some of my "habits", may not be appropriate for others, because
of my variations on "paving policies", when I choose to pave
something to fix it :-)

   Paul

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#184081

On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 4:13 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
> > 
> >>
> >> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
> >>
> >> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
> >> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
> > 
> > C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2
> > 
> >  Volume in drive C is OS             Serial number is 4e90:7197
> > 
> >     Total for:  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
> >      3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs
> > 
> > Yikes!
> >  
> >> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
> >> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
> >> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
> > 
> > Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar. 
> > And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait 
> > till Sunday or Monday before deleting.
> > 
> > Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
> > 2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older 
> > ones and leave only the most recent one in place?
> > 
> >> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
> >> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
> >> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
> > 
> > And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.
> > 
> > Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6½ GB, and that gets backed up. To 
> > control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup 
> > to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the 
> > backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part 
> > of the C: image backup.
> > 
> 
> The "proper" cleaning procedure is apparently DISM and startcomponentcleanup
> or something like that. That should remove all of them except two for April,
> as a guess.
> 
>    "Run this in an elevated command prompt.
>     It will remove all but the last (newest) folder in the LCU folder.
> 
>     Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
>    "

Thanks!  I did that, and it took several minutes. For about the first 
30 seconds of the last minute, CPU usage was 98%.

I had started in an admin command line with "del /s /k" (which 
bypasses the Recycle Bin), but 5 minutes later when it has thought 
had finished it had actually deleted only 3% of the directories in 
the first subdir of LCU, which was dated March 26. So wmic seems to 
be faster, in addition to being "official".

> I suppose that ensures that the maintenance system, knows the backup
> items have been removed. Me yanking them away, maybe it never checks
> that they are still present.
> 
> For the hiberfile
> 
>    powercfg /h off
> 
> and then test your backup. It should be gone then.

Good point. I suppose I can bracket the C: part of my backup batch 
with turning hibernation off and on. If I do that, will hibernation-
related settings be restored when I turn hibernation back on? For 
example, I have set the power button to trigger a hibernation, and 
also set the system to hibernate after a certain amount of 
inactivity. I'd hate to have to remember to reinstate those settings 
every time I do a backup.

> And for pagefile, I use Start : Run : sysdm.cpl  and adjust
> the size of pagefile to be fixed (non-expandable) at 1024MB.
> Sysdm.cpl looks like it did, in WinXP or so.

Hmm ... I hadn't thought about that, but I guess if I'm going to try 
to optimize backup size then I ought to shrink my pagefile too. (At 
the moment it's upward of 2 GB; Windows selected the size.)

> Removing the hiberfile can affect some features, such as
> what happens when the system crashes and you really wanted
> a complete image of the entire memory (that is not a default behavior
> and has to be set up). It is used for hibernation.
> It might even be used for Fast Start (which I don't use).

I don't use Fast Start, as far as I'm aware. (My disk is an SSD, 
which starts within seconds.) But I do hibernate purposely.

> Some of my "habits", may not be appropriate for others, because
> of my variations on "paving policies", when I choose to pave
> something to fix it :-)

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#184030

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:13:31 -0700, Stan
Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> > What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>
>> 
>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>> 
>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>
>C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2
>
> Volume in drive C is OS             Serial number is 4e90:7197
>
>    Total for:  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
>     3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs
>
>Yikes!

My win10 laptop doesn't have a windows\servicing directory, 
but the win10 desktop has one, with entries from the 2nd week of feb,
march, and april, totally about 3 gigs.  271,577 files, 103,851 folders.
They are probably interesting.  When I have time, I will read them.   

I install all the cumulative updates so I don't know why the laptop
hasn't got such a directory. 

Unfortunately, it's the laptop that's running out of storage, while the
desktop has loads of storage and can spare 3 gigs easily. 
 
>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>
>Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar. 
>And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait 
>till Sunday or Monday before deleting.
>
>Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
>2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older 
>ones and leave only the most recent one in place?
>
>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>
>And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.
>
>Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6½ GB, and that gets backed up. To 
>control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup 
>to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the 
>backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part 
>of the C: image backup.

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#184032

On 4/25/2025 2:46 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>> Cool.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>
>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>
>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>
>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>> (:-
>>
>>
>> Ed
> 
> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
> 
> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
> 
> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
> 
> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
> 
> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
> 
>     Paul
I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted items. 
  I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the Disk on my 
old computer. I do the same to all programs that have that function.

I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder.  If it is 
in use you can not delete it.

However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB ssd(?) 
drive.

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#184039

On Fri, 4/25/2025 7:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 4/25/2025 2:46 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>>
>>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>>
>>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>
>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>>> (:-
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>
>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>>
>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>>
>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>>
>> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
>>
>>     Paul
> I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted items.  I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the Disk on my old computer. I do the same to all programs that have that function.
> 
> I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder.  If it is in use you can not delete it.
> 
> However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB ssd(?) drive.

Maybe two of the machines are Win10, one machine is Win11 ?

   [Picture]  Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area

    https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif

   Paul

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#184058

On 4/25/2025 11:50 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 4/25/2025 7:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
>> On 4/25/2025 2:46 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
>>>>> You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
>>>>> then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
>>>>> "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
>>>>> only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
>>>>> to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
>>>>> be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
>>>>> than that, because no animation is required for that method.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Paul
>>>>
>>>> What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
>>>> Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
>>>> (:-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU
>>>
>>> That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
>>> of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.
>>>
>>> That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
>>> It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
>>> (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).
>>>
>>> It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
>>> time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
>>> of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.
>>>
>>> Win11 doesn't have an LCU.
>>>
>>>      Paul
>> I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted items.  I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the Disk on my old computer. I do the same to all programs that have that function.
>>
>> I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder.  If it is in use you can not delete it.
>>
>> However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB ssd(?) drive.
> 
> Maybe two of the machines are Win10, one machine is Win11 ?
> 
>     [Picture]  Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area
> 
>      https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif
> 
>     Paul
When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not 
available on my Windows 11 laptop.

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#184061

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2025 11:50 PM, Paul wrote:
> > On Fri, 4/25/2025 7:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
[...]
> >> I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted
> >> items.  I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the
> >> Disk on my old computer. I do the same to all programs that have
> >> that function.
> >>
> >> I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder.  If
> >> it is in use you can not delete it.
> >>
> >> However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB
> >> ssd(?) drive.
> > 
> > Maybe two of the machines are Win10, one machine is Win11 ?
> > 
> >     [Picture]  Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area
> > 
> >      https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif
> > 
> >     Paul
> When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not 
> available on my Windows 11 laptop.

  Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

  That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk
Clean".

[1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.

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#184067

Frank Slootweg wrote:

>> When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
>> available on my Windows 11 laptop.
> 
>    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
> one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.
> 
>    That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk
> Clean".
> 
> [1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.

Don't play with him, Frank. Be a better man.
What he wants is the former.

"Program" or "programme".
We in the UK have bowed to American simplified spelling on this.
The former is used in all cases of computer technology; but we stick to 
the latter for all else, things like theatre programme, programme of 
events etc.

Ed

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#184071

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> >> When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
> >> available on my Windows 11 laptop.
> > 
> >    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
> > one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.
> > 
> >    That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk
> > Clean".
> > 
> > [1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.
> 
> Don't play with him, Frank. Be a better man.
> What he wants is the former.
> 
> "Program" or "programme".
> We in the UK have bowed to American simplified spelling on this.
> The former is used in all cases of computer technology; but we stick to 
> the latter for all else, things like theatre programme, programme of 
> events etc.

  I'm not playing with him, just pointing out that for different English
versions, things might be spelled differently and hence might not be
found, when using the full word, i.e. 'cleanup' when the actual spelling
is 'clean-up'.

  For example, I had this difference for 'fast start-up' versus 'fast
startup'.

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