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  Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-14 18:05 +0000
    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-14 13:18 -0500
    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-14 13:34 -0500
      Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-15 09:56 +0000
        Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-15 05:43 -0500
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-15 11:51 +0000
            Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-15 07:07 -0500
        Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-02-15 11:46 +0000
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-16 16:00 +0000
            Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-17 00:14 +0000
              Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-02-16 23:36 -0600
                Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-17 12:38 +0000
                Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:03 -0500
              Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:27 +0000
                Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-17 16:09 +0000
                  Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-17 18:41 +0000
                    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-18 15:36 +0000
                      Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-18 18:25 +0000
        Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-15 09:44 -0500
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-16 00:53 +0000
            Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-15 23:38 -0500
        Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-15 09:52 -0500
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-16 15:36 +0000
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-02-16 16:48 +0000
            Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-16 12:39 -0500
            Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-17 00:17 +0000
              Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-02-17 09:45 +0000
    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-14 18:55 +0000
      Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-14 17:34 -0500
    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-02-14 20:57 +0100
      Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-02-15 00:37 +0000
        Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-02-15 03:41 +0000
          Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-15 03:34 -0500
    Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium Hello There <hello.there@user.com> - 2025-02-16 17:52 +0000

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#182279 — Another dumb question? Re Macrium

I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8 
Free.
Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my 
backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a 
rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the 
Macrium file to start the rescue process?
-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182281

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

>I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8 
>Free.
>Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my 
>backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a 
>rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the 
>Macrium file to start the rescue process?

I haven't had to do it for this purpose but you can either go into the
BIOS and change the boot order, or you can do a one-time change of the
boot-order (hoping you will only have to do this 1 or 2 times) so that
it boots from the external drive.
  How to get into the BIOS or the one-time Boot Order varies from brand
to brand.  For a Dell it is usually or always F2 and F12.  For all
brands, you have to press the right key repeatedly during the boot
process to interrupt booting and display the BIOS (Basic Input-Output
Something) values.   Some of them are interesting and not confusing.
OTOH Eufi versus the other one, I never understood.  
  AFAIC, there is no problem permanently making boot from USB/external
drive permanently the first boot choice, because 99% of the time there
will be no such thing plugged in, and it will go to the second choice. I
guess that might take a second or so.   OTOH, when my PC had a DVD
drive, I did occasionally leave Hirens Repair whatever or a win10
install DVD in the drive and it would start to run that. It could happen
with a bootable flashdrive too, or a clone, but it hasn't happened to
me, except with a DVD.  

Also beware that there is a difference, iirc, between a backup and a
clone. I think mere backups are not bootable.  Macrium will make either
one, but you have to choose before it starts. 

Finally, remember, there are no such things as stupid questions.  Only
stupid people.   

Just kidding. 

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#182282

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

>I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8 
>Free.
>Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my 
>backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a 
>rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the 
>Macrium file to start the rescue process?

BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
possibly even to the clone?????  Check on that). So that you don't have
to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones).  Takes much less
writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
AOIME (sp?). 

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#182295

On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8
>> Free.
>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my
>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a
>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the
>> Macrium file to start the rescue process?
> 
> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
> possibly even to the clone?????  Check on that). So that you don't have
> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones).  Takes much less
> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
> AOIME (sp?).

After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was 
asking the wrong question!
The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, 
assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer 
where something has gone wrong?
What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, 
and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I 
understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks 
and documents, but what about all the applications?
I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I 
pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the 
meantime. :)

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182297

On Sat, 2/15/2025 4:56 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
> On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
>> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8
>>> Free.
>>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my
>>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a
>>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the
>>> Macrium file to start the rescue process?
>>
>> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
>> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
>> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
>> possibly even to the clone?????  Check on that). So that you don't have
>> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
>> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones).  Takes much less
>> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
>> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
>> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
>> AOIME (sp?).
> 
> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was asking the wrong question!
> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer where something has gone wrong?
> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks and documents, but what about all the applications?
> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the meantime. :)
> 

                     Disk1                      Disk2
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
              |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |         Clone
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+

***************************************************************************

                          +-----------------------+
                    _____ |  H:  Backups (.mrimg) | ___
                   /      +-----------------------+    \
                  /                                     \ Bare Metal Restore
                 |                                       v  Boot the Rescue CD, restore the image
                     Disk1                      (New)           to a new disk drive which is empty
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
              |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |        Backup/Restore
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+

***************************************************************************

                     Disk1                   NewMachine
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
              |MBR| C: | D: Data |       |MBR| C: | W: Data |         Migration
              +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+       (U.Data, Progs)
                         ---------------------->
                       ----------------------->                Add User to EmptyOS
                                                               Add Progs to EmptyOS
                          Laplink, Zinstall                   ($50 per program usage!)

***************************************************************************

When cloning a disk, no, there is no Incremental option.
Cloning is simple -- perfect copies only, one shot to do it.

When doing backup, the .mrimg files can be Full, Differential, Incremental, Incremental-Forever.
These are backup patterns, some of which are used in IT departments.
Incremental is popular, because it is relatively disk efficient.
Incremental-forever, restarts a cascade every once in a while,
so there is a synthetic Full plus Incremental, Incremental, Incremental.

Generally, "free" programs offer Full, because Win7 Backup offered Full,
and it would be hard to compete with the Microsoft "free" offer.

Some free programs offer Differential, and one, even offered Incremental.
People only accept "free" programs, if the function provided is useful,
and... if all their files come back. You the user, must test this!!!
Many "demo" web pages, don't give-a-fuck whether the files come back.
How many people do you know, can tell you pagefile.sys does not get
backed up and Windows.edb does not either ? These details are very hard
to determine, for people wishing to test for you.

I don't have *any* programs I trust, to list files. Right now,
I've been writing a program to do that, and I've run into a pattern
that makes me suspicious, but is not documented. There are some
file entries without filenames, which implies the filename come
via an undefined means. I asked the AI, and got exactly the kind
of waffle-bullshit I was expecting -- the AI told me to use a hex
editor and look for myself.

As an example of trustworthy, the Everything.exe program cannot
list the contents of a WSL1 tree on a C: drive. The WSL2 uses
a container instead of a tree, solving the problem. But that's
not the point. The point is, I only discovered list-shortening
by accident. And I absolutely refuse to use majority voter logic
to write a listdir program :-) Either the program works from
well established principles, or the program won't exist at all.
It's that simple. Some jobs must be done properly (you know, like
backup jobs).

   Paul

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#182301

On 15/02/2025 10:43, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, 2/15/2025 4:56 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
>> On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
>>> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8
>>>> Free.
>>>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my
>>>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a
>>>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>>>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the
>>>> Macrium file to start the rescue process?
>>>
>>> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
>>> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
>>> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
>>> possibly even to the clone?????  Check on that). So that you don't have
>>> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
>>> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones).  Takes much less
>>> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
>>> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
>>> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
>>> AOIME (sp?).
>>
>> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was asking the wrong question!
>> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer where something has gone wrong?
>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks and documents, but what about all the applications?
>> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the meantime. :)
>>
> 
>                       Disk1                      Disk2
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |         Clone
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> 
>                            +-----------------------+
>                      _____ |  H:  Backups (.mrimg) | ___
>                     /      +-----------------------+    \
>                    /                                     \ Bare Metal Restore
>                   |                                       v  Boot the Rescue CD, restore the image
>                       Disk1                      (New)           to a new disk drive which is empty
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |        Backup/Restore
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> 
>                       Disk1                   NewMachine
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |       |MBR| C: | W: Data |         Migration
>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+       (U.Data, Progs)
>                           ---------------------->
>                         ----------------------->                Add User to EmptyOS
>                                                                 Add Progs to EmptyOS
>                            Laplink, Zinstall                   ($50 per program usage!)
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> 
> When cloning a disk, no, there is no Incremental option.
> Cloning is simple -- perfect copies only, one shot to do it.
> 
> When doing backup, the .mrimg files can be Full, Differential, Incremental, Incremental-Forever.
> These are backup patterns, some of which are used in IT departments.
> Incremental is popular, because it is relatively disk efficient.
> Incremental-forever, restarts a cascade every once in a while,
> so there is a synthetic Full plus Incremental, Incremental, Incremental.
> 
> Generally, "free" programs offer Full, because Win7 Backup offered Full,
> and it would be hard to compete with the Microsoft "free" offer.
> 
> Some free programs offer Differential, and one, even offered Incremental.
> People only accept "free" programs, if the function provided is useful,
> and... if all their files come back. You the user, must test this!!!
> Many "demo" web pages, don't give-a-fuck whether the files come back.
> How many people do you know, can tell you pagefile.sys does not get
> backed up and Windows.edb does not either ? These details are very hard
> to determine, for people wishing to test for you.
> 
> I don't have *any* programs I trust, to list files. Right now,
> I've been writing a program to do that, and I've run into a pattern
> that makes me suspicious, but is not documented. There are some
> file entries without filenames, which implies the filename come
> via an undefined means. I asked the AI, and got exactly the kind
> of waffle-bullshit I was expecting -- the AI told me to use a hex
> editor and look for myself.
> 
> As an example of trustworthy, the Everything.exe program cannot
> list the contents of a WSL1 tree on a C: drive. The WSL2 uses
> a container instead of a tree, solving the problem. But that's
> not the point. The point is, I only discovered list-shortening
> by accident. And I absolutely refuse to use majority voter logic
> to write a listdir program :-) Either the program works from
> well established principles, or the program won't exist at all.
> It's that simple. Some jobs must be done properly (you know, like
> backup jobs).
> 
>     Paul

Was that an answer to my latest post about copying to a new computer? If 
it was, then I heard it pass right over my head. :)

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182302

On Sat, 2/15/2025 6:51 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
> On 15/02/2025 10:43, Paul wrote:
>> On Sat, 2/15/2025 4:56 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote:
>>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
>>>> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8
>>>>> Free.
>>>>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my
>>>>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a
>>>>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>>>>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the
>>>>> Macrium file to start the rescue process?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
>>>> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
>>>> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
>>>> possibly even to the clone?????  Check on that). So that you don't have
>>>> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
>>>> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones).  Takes much less
>>>> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
>>>> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
>>>> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
>>>> AOIME (sp?).
>>>
>>> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was asking the wrong question!
>>> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer where something has gone wrong?
>>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks and documents, but what about all the applications?
>>> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the meantime. :)
>>>
>>
>>                       Disk1                      Disk2
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |         Clone
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>>
>> ***************************************************************************
>>
>>                            +-----------------------+
>>                      _____ |  H:  Backups (.mrimg) | ___
>>                     /      +-----------------------+    \
>>                    /                                     \ Bare Metal Restore
>>                   |                                       v  Boot the Rescue CD, restore the image
>>                       Disk1                      (New)           to a new disk drive which is empty
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |  ==>  |MBR| C: | D: Data |        Backup/Restore
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>>
>> ***************************************************************************
>>
>>                       Disk1                   NewMachine
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+
>>                |MBR| C: | D: Data |       |MBR| C: | W: Data |         Migration
>>                +---+----+---------+       +---+----+---------+       (U.Data, Progs)
>>                           ---------------------->
>>                         ----------------------->                Add User to EmptyOS
>>                                                                 Add Progs to EmptyOS
>>                            Laplink, Zinstall                   ($50 per program usage!)
>>
>> ***************************************************************************
>>
>> When cloning a disk, no, there is no Incremental option.
>> Cloning is simple -- perfect copies only, one shot to do it.
>>
>> When doing backup, the .mrimg files can be Full, Differential, Incremental, Incremental-Forever.
>> These are backup patterns, some of which are used in IT departments.
>> Incremental is popular, because it is relatively disk efficient.
>> Incremental-forever, restarts a cascade every once in a while,
>> so there is a synthetic Full plus Incremental, Incremental, Incremental.
>>
>> Generally, "free" programs offer Full, because Win7 Backup offered Full,
>> and it would be hard to compete with the Microsoft "free" offer.
>>
>> Some free programs offer Differential, and one, even offered Incremental.
>> People only accept "free" programs, if the function provided is useful,
>> and... if all their files come back. You the user, must test this!!!
>> Many "demo" web pages, don't give-a-fuck whether the files come back.
>> How many people do you know, can tell you pagefile.sys does not get
>> backed up and Windows.edb does not either ? These details are very hard
>> to determine, for people wishing to test for you.
>>
>> I don't have *any* programs I trust, to list files. Right now,
>> I've been writing a program to do that, and I've run into a pattern
>> that makes me suspicious, but is not documented. There are some
>> file entries without filenames, which implies the filename come
>> via an undefined means. I asked the AI, and got exactly the kind
>> of waffle-bullshit I was expecting -- the AI told me to use a hex
>> editor and look for myself.
>>
>> As an example of trustworthy, the Everything.exe program cannot
>> list the contents of a WSL1 tree on a C: drive. The WSL2 uses
>> a container instead of a tree, solving the problem. But that's
>> not the point. The point is, I only discovered list-shortening
>> by accident. And I absolutely refuse to use majority voter logic
>> to write a listdir program :-) Either the program works from
>> well established principles, or the program won't exist at all.
>> It's that simple. Some jobs must be done properly (you know, like
>> backup jobs).
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> Was that an answer to my latest post about copying to a new computer? If it was, then I heard it pass right over my head. :)
> 

The third diagram is copying to a new computer. You are taking your
user data and installed programs, to a new computer. The charge is
$50 per incident (moving just the user data, and moving the program content).

*******

The other options are more general definitions of what a "clone" is,
and what a "backup image" is. In the backup image, you are storing
a copy of the disk drive on an external drive, for a rainy day.

There might be strong reasons for cloning, like maybe it achieves
a result faster than some other option. But you don't
really ever need to clone. You can achieve all the same
results with a backup/restore.

   Paul

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#182300

Jim the Geordie wrote:

[snip]

> 
> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was 
> asking the wrong question!
> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, 
> assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer 
> where something has gone wrong?

Correct.  This is sometimes called a "bare metal restore".

> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, 
> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.

The issue here is that the new computer may (will) have different 
hardware.  So it will require different device drivers, and some apps 
(typically from M$) are keyed to the original hardware so can't simply 
be transferred to a new computer.

> I 
> understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks 
> and documents, but what about all the applications?

Keep all your personal stuff in the "Documents" folder.  Beware apps 
which file their data with the program (Sage accounts, some photo 
managers, etc) and make sure you know exactly where all your data is. 
Save all the browser bookmarks, and any stored passwords.

Keep your old computer working while you get and set up the new one. 
That way you can use the old one to ask questions about how to work with 
the new one.

The new one should have all the drivers for its hardware, so you should 
be able to get it working with its LAN connection, monitor, printers, 
and the like.  Install any apps you need, using the software 
manufacturers' installers.  This way you don't risk copying any crud or 
mis-configurations from the old machine.  If you use Office 365 you may 
have 5 licenses so can install the M$ apps on several machines.

Set it up so it will communicate with the old one via the LAN.

When you are completely happy with it, copy all your user data from the 
old one to the new one.


-- 
Graham J

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#182339

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> Jim the Geordie wrote:
[...]
> > What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, 
> > and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
[...]

  Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:

  The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
possible for that reason.

  When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).

  Hope this helps.

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#182357

On 16/02/2025 16:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>> Jim the Geordie wrote:
> [...]
>>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
>>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
> [...]
> 
>    Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:
> 
>    The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
> require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
> instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
> possible for that reason.
> 
>    When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
> rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
> computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
> old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
> needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
> computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
> fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
> before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).
> 
>    Hope this helps.

So, you are saying that I could save an Image (not Clone!?) of my 
present Windows 10 pc, using Macrium, and in the event of moving to a 
Windows 11 pc, I could selectively copy files from that Image to the new 
one?
If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files 
current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up 
'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182368

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:14:10 +0000, Jim the Geordie
<jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

>On 16/02/2025 16:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Jim the Geordie wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
>>>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
>> [...]
>> 
>>    Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:
>> 
>>    The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
>> require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
>> instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
>> possible for that reason.
>> 
>>    When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
>> rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
>> computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
>> old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
>> needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
>> computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
>> fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
>> before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).
>> 
>>    Hope this helps.
>
>So, you are saying that I could save an Image (not Clone!?) of my 
>present Windows 10 pc, using Macrium, and in the event of moving to a 
>Windows 11 pc, I could selectively copy files from that Image to the new 
>one?

Technically, if the task is to preserve your files so that you can
access them later, that can be accomplished with both an image and a
clone. Arguably, a clone will be slightly easier to work with because
your files are easier to access. They're just sitting there, exactly the
way you're used to seeing them. An image will require you to "mount" it
before you can access its files, and then probably unmount it
afterwards, so it's one or two extra steps. Both approaches, clones and
images, have their own pros and cons, but they still have a lot in
common.

Having said all of that, I think the consensus is that you should use an
image, rather than a clone, to preserve your files. That's what I would
do.

>If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files 
>current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up 
>'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?

I refer you to the advice from VanguardLH, where he says that regularly
scheduled (automated) backups are usually preferred because humans can't
be relied upon to perform backups on a regular basis, even with the best
of intentions.

 

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#182373

On 2025-02-17 05:36, Char Jackson wrote:
> 
> Having said all of that, I think the consensus is that you should use an
> image, rather than a clone, to preserve your files. That's what I would
> do.
> 
>> If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files
>> current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up
>> 'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?
> 
> I refer you to the advice from VanguardLH, where he says that regularly
> scheduled (automated) backups are usually preferred because humans can't
> be relied upon to perform backups on a regular basis, even with the best
> of intentions.

My preferred method is this.  The general principle is that I keep all 
my data on a different partition dedicated to data, there is NO data, 
that I care about, on the same partition as any OS.  This means I can 
launch any of up to 4 OSs on the same computer  -  Win7, Win7 32-Bit, 
Win10, and Ubuntu 22  -  and still access the same, common data from 
each of them.  Periodically, every month or two, or before I make any 
significant changes to one of them, I back up the OSs to an image on the 
data partition.  I run an incremental backup on the data partition to a 
NAS last thing at night before I go to bed, which also backs up the OS 
images there.

It's simple, and it works.  If I get a virus, I simply restore the OS 
partition from an image, takes about 15-30, perhaps occasionally 45, 
minutes, depending on the size of the original OS partition. If a disk 
goes down completely, I can build a replacement in up to about 2-3 
hours, depending on which disk from which PC.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#182396

On Mon, 2/17/2025 12:36 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 00:14:10 +0000, Jim the Geordie
> <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 16/02/2025 16:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jim the Geordie wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
>>>>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>    Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:
>>>
>>>    The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
>>> require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
>>> instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
>>> possible for that reason.
>>>
>>>    When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
>>> rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
>>> computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
>>> old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
>>> needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
>>> computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
>>> fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
>>> before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).
>>>
>>>    Hope this helps.
>>
>> So, you are saying that I could save an Image (not Clone!?) of my 
>> present Windows 10 pc, using Macrium, and in the event of moving to a 
>> Windows 11 pc, I could selectively copy files from that Image to the new 
>> one?
> 
> Technically, if the task is to preserve your files so that you can
> access them later, that can be accomplished with both an image and a
> clone. Arguably, a clone will be slightly easier to work with because
> your files are easier to access. They're just sitting there, exactly the
> way you're used to seeing them. An image will require you to "mount" it
> before you can access its files, and then probably unmount it
> afterwards, so it's one or two extra steps. Both approaches, clones and
> images, have their own pros and cons, but they still have a lot in
> common.
> 
> Having said all of that, I think the consensus is that you should use an
> image, rather than a clone, to preserve your files. That's what I would
> do.
> 
>> If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files 
>> current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up 
>> 'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?
> 
> I refer you to the advice from VanguardLH, where he says that regularly
> scheduled (automated) backups are usually preferred because humans can't
> be relied upon to perform backups on a regular basis, even with the best
> of intentions.

An image is sufficient:

1) To restore an entire image (bad hard drive perhap), you do a
   bare metal restore.

2) To pull a Thunderbird profile from the image, you *mount* the image.
   Brand name backup/restore/clone software comes with a mounter.
   For example, when I do demos of this, I assign the letter K: to the mount,
   and C: might be my recipient, then I copy a folder of files from K:
   to C: . At the end of the random file copying session, I dismount K: .
   Usually a colour, either in Disk Management or in File Explorer,
   shows me items I have mounted, and the branded software pops up
   when using a context entry to dismount the item.

There is *no need* to clone, just for random file access. The mounted
K: looks *exactly* like the original specimen. And by ticking a box
to remove permissions on K: during the mount step, you can even
gain access to places you could not normally go. Which is *yet another*
reason I make images of things, just to smash permissions.

a sequence might go like this:

1) Buy a new laptop. Got no Thunderbird profile.
2) Install the backup/restore/clone software.
3) Connect external drive with .mrimg file.
4) Mount that .mrimg file off the external, using materials from (2).
5) Copy the email profile from the K: drive.

You can even run Agent Ransack over K: and find stuff by name if you want.

  Paul

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#182381

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/02/2025 16:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Jim the Geordie wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
> >>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
> > [...]
> > 
> >    Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:
> > 
> >    The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
> > require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
> > instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
> > possible for that reason.
> > 
> >    When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
> > rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
> > computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
> > old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
> > needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
> > computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
> > fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
> > before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).
> > 
> >    Hope this helps.
> 
> So, you are saying that I could save an Image (not Clone!?) of my 
> present Windows 10 pc, using Macrium, and in the event of moving to a 
> Windows 11 pc, I could selectively copy files from that Image to the new 
> one?

  Yes.

> If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files 
> current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up 
> 'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?

  I actually do *both*: Image backup of everything with Macrium Reflect
and file-level backup of my most important 'data' files (which also
includes files which are *not* in 'Documents', 'Images' and the like,
for example Thunderbird's mail store ('profile')).

  Image backup would be enough, but theoretically an image backup could
become corrupt in some way that you can not access any files in the
image anymore. Very small risk, but not impossible. Making both image
and file-level backup makes that I always can restore my most importnat
data files. "A single backup is no backup!" (Of course you should keep
multiple levels/copies of backup and preferably both 'onsite' and
'offsite'.)

  As to "(incremental?)": The free version of Macrium Reflect can only
do (Full and) Differential backups, where Differential is all changes
since the Full, so the latest Differential replaces all earlier ones.
The paid version of Macrium Reflect can also do Incremental backups,
which are all changes since the last Full/Differential/Incremental.

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#182386

On 17/02/2025 15:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16/02/2025 16:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jim the Geordie wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
>>>>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>     Two additions to Graham's excellent (of course! :-) post:
>>>
>>>     The new computer will not only have different hardware, which will
>>> require different drivers, but it will also very likely have Windows 11,
>>> instead of your current Windows 10, so a one-to-one copy is also not
>>> possible for that reason.
>>>
>>>     When - or before - you stop using your old computer - and perhaps get
>>> rid of it - use Macrium Reflect to make a complete image backup of that
>>> computer and keep it 'forever', just in case there was something on the
>>> old computer which you forgot to copy, were not aware of that it was
>>> needed, etc.. You can restore files from the 'old' image to the new
>>> computer. External disk space is cheap, so no reason not to have this
>>> fallback. (I still have image backup of my previous computer and the one
>>> before that, covering 10 years (from last use of the oldest one.).
>>>
>>>     Hope this helps.
>>
>> So, you are saying that I could save an Image (not Clone!?) of my
>> present Windows 10 pc, using Macrium, and in the event of moving to a
>> Windows 11 pc, I could selectively copy files from that Image to the new
>> one?
> 
>    Yes.
> 
>> If that is the case then using the Macrium method which keeps the files
>> current (incremental?), would be better/easier than me just backing-up
>> 'Documents', 'Images' and the like when I remember to do so?
> 
>    I actually do *both*: Image backup of everything with Macrium Reflect
> and file-level backup of my most important 'data' files (which also
> includes files which are *not* in 'Documents', 'Images' and the like,
> for example Thunderbird's mail store ('profile')).
> 
>    Image backup would be enough, but theoretically an image backup could
> become corrupt in some way that you can not access any files in the
> image anymore. Very small risk, but not impossible. Making both image
> and file-level backup makes that I always can restore my most importnat
> data files. "A single backup is no backup!" (Of course you should keep
> multiple levels/copies of backup and preferably both 'onsite' and
> 'offsite'.)
> 
>    As to "(incremental?)": The free version of Macrium Reflect can only
> do (Full and) Differential backups, where Differential is all changes
> since the Full, so the latest Differential replaces all earlier ones.
> The paid version of Macrium Reflect can also do Incremental backups,
> which are all changes since the last Full/Differential/Incremental.


Thanks, Frank, but all the various replies have fried my brain.
Fact of the matter is that I have, and have had for some time, a 900+ Gb 
hard drive, bought with the purpose of backing up my pc in case anything 
went wrong.
I installed Macrium and, I think, backed up everything using it, left it 
running and promptly forgot about it. In the events I described earlier, 
I realised that although it would have been nice should anything have 
gone wrong; it didn't, so I have never had cause to see whether I had 
the nous to be able to use it.
Now my quest has changed to getting the info from one m/c to a 
*different* m/c when/if I get a new m/c.
I did a Macrium 'image' backup this morning and failed miserably in 
working out how to get access and extract individual files for folders 
from it.
I fear Macrium is overkill for what I need, and in the light of that, I 
am currently doing a Windows backup to see whether that is within my 
brain capacity.
-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182393

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
> Thanks, Frank, but all the various replies have fried my brain.
> Fact of the matter is that I have, and have had for some time, a 900+ Gb 
> hard drive, bought with the purpose of backing up my pc in case anything 
> went wrong.
> I installed Macrium and, I think, backed up everything using it, left it 
> running and promptly forgot about it. In the events I described earlier, 
> I realised that although it would have been nice should anything have 
> gone wrong; it didn't, so I have never had cause to see whether I had 
> the nous to be able to use it.
> Now my quest has changed to getting the info from one m/c to a 
> *different* m/c when/if I get a new m/c.
> I did a Macrium 'image' backup this morning and failed miserably in 
> working out how to get access and extract individual files for folders 
> from it.
> I fear Macrium is overkill for what I need, and in the light of that, I 
> am currently doing a Windows backup to see whether that is within my 
> brain capacity.

  That's fine. As Paul also mentioned recently, Macrium Reflect is
trustworthy, powerful, but - hence - not easy to use.

  If you ever want to try again to extract individual files from a
Macrium Reflect image, just let us know and we can give specific
instructions.

  In short [1]: Select the 'Existing Backups' tab, in the lower-right
pane right-click on your latest image, select 'Browse' and take it from
there. The image file will be mounted as an extra drive (i.e. drive
letter), which you can use in File Explorer like any other drive. When
done, right-click the drive and use the Macrium entry to unmount the
drive.

[1] Done partly from memory, because I don't want to fetch my backup
drive from storage and go through the steps.

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#182408

Yesterday, I wrote:
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
> [...]
[...]
>   If you ever want to try again to extract individual files from a
> Macrium Reflect image, just let us know and we can give specific
> instructions.
> 
>   In short [1]: Select the 'Existing Backups' tab, in the lower-right
> pane right-click on your latest image, select 'Browse' and take it from
> there. The image file will be mounted as an extra drive (i.e. drive
> letter), which you can use in File Explorer like any other drive. When
> done, right-click the drive and use the Macrium entry to unmount the
> drive.
> 
> [1] Done partly from memory, because I don't want to fetch my backup
> drive from storage and go through the steps.

  As I needed to take out my backup HDD to make another (Differential)
image backup, I might as well post more detailed/correct instructions
for accessing/copying files and folders in/from a Macrium Reflect image:

[Assuming the disk containing the image file(s) is online/connected.]

- Start Macrium Reflect.
- Select the 'Existing Backups' tab.
- In the lower-right pane, select the .mrimg file of your latest image
  backup, i.e. the last Differential or Full (if no Differenttial).
- Right-click that entry and select 'Browse Image...'.
- In the 'Backup Selection' popup window, tick the partition you want to
  browse, for example 'Windows (C:)' and click '[OK]'.
- The image of the partition will now be mounted as an extra drive, for
  example 'Windows (E:)'.
- In File Explorer (FE), you can now access/copy files and folders in/
  from that new drive, just like you can with any normal drive.
- When done, go to 'This PC' in FE, right-click the new drive and select
  'Macrium Reflect' -> 'Unmount Macium Image'. Answer the UAC prompt.
  Now the new drive will be gone.

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#182411

On 18/02/2025 15:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Yesterday, I wrote:
>> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
>> [...]
> [...]
>>    If you ever want to try again to extract individual files from a
>> Macrium Reflect image, just let us know and we can give specific
>> instructions.
>>
>>    In short [1]: Select the 'Existing Backups' tab, in the lower-right
>> pane right-click on your latest image, select 'Browse' and take it from
>> there. The image file will be mounted as an extra drive (i.e. drive
>> letter), which you can use in File Explorer like any other drive. When
>> done, right-click the drive and use the Macrium entry to unmount the
>> drive.
>>
>> [1] Done partly from memory, because I don't want to fetch my backup
>> drive from storage and go through the steps.
> 
>    As I needed to take out my backup HDD to make another (Differential)
> image backup, I might as well post more detailed/correct instructions
> for accessing/copying files and folders in/from a Macrium Reflect image:
> 
> [Assuming the disk containing the image file(s) is online/connected.]
> 
> - Start Macrium Reflect.
> - Select the 'Existing Backups' tab.
> - In the lower-right pane, select the .mrimg file of your latest image
>    backup, i.e. the last Differential or Full (if no Differenttial).
> - Right-click that entry and select 'Browse Image...'.
> - In the 'Backup Selection' popup window, tick the partition you want to
>    browse, for example 'Windows (C:)' and click '[OK]'.
> - The image of the partition will now be mounted as an extra drive, for
>    example 'Windows (E:)'.
> - In File Explorer (FE), you can now access/copy files and folders in/
>    from that new drive, just like you can with any normal drive.
> - When done, go to 'This PC' in FE, right-click the new drive and select
>    'Macrium Reflect' -> 'Unmount Macium Image'. Answer the UAC prompt.
>    Now the new drive will be gone.

Thanks for your time, Frank.
The chances of me remembering that when I am forced to do it or finding 
these instructions wherever I save them is minimal.
I've saved my documents, photos, music, videos and downloads to my 
external HDD and unless there's something else you can think of, then 
that's me done.
-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#182307

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 09:56:18 +0000, Jim the
Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

>
>After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was 
>asking the wrong question!
>The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, 
>assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer 
>where something has gone wrong?

Yes. 

>What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, 
>and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I 
>understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks 
>and documents, but what about all the applications?

There is software that will do this, although I have not tried it.  I
even bought 10 years ago or more one whose name I cannot remember**, and
if I had a computer with a replacement, empty HDD, I would probably try
it, but except for once, new computers already had a functioning Windows
on them and I didn't want to mess that up.  The one time I did get a
laptop with a non-functional HDD, I think I forgot to consider this
idea. 

**I found the box and the DVD. It was called Acronis True Image Home
2011.  PC Backup & Recovery Plus.   It says, for Plus, "Recover on
different hardware.  Restore your pC to dissimilar hardware regardless
of make, model or installed components, or to a virtual machine". It
didn't show up when I googled system transfer PC, but the brand is still
sold and it seems that it makea, rather quietly, the same claim. Acronis
True Image 2025.  More info about that in the footnote***. 

Anoother program is https://www.easeus.com/free-pc-transfer-software/ it
says it will transfer 2gigs of data and 5 programs for free. If you want
more, unlimited, it's 40 for a month and 60 for lifetime. 

I don't think any program that does this is free. 

The way they work is one backs up the old computer, then installs the
backup on the new computer using either semi-universal drivers, or maybe
more likely the drivers that the source computer had, even if they don't
work quite right, and after installation, the program looks for and
installs the proper drivers for the make and model of the destination
computer.  Seems to me this method should work. 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=system+transfer+pc

Also maybe search for   Restore to dissimilar hardware.    Yes, that
brings up many hits for Acronis, even though    system tranfer PC didn't
bring up any afaik..  

>I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I 
>pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the 
>meantime. :)

Do I have clogs too?  Where are they? 

***I haven't read more than a few lines of each of these but the titles
sound appropriate. 
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/acronis-cyber-protect-home-office-forum-formerly-acronis-true-image-2021/moving-old-windows-10-system-new-pc

Acronis True Image 2021: Restoring to dissimilar hardware with Acronis
Universal Restore -- dated only a year and a half ago. 
https://care.acronis.com/s/article/65413-Acronis-True-Image-2021-Restoring-to-dissimilar-hardware-with-Acronis-Universal-Restore?language=en_US&_gl=1*99pwx4*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3Mzk2MjkxNDguRUFJYUlRb2JDaE1JcUozNHJPX0Zpd01WTFQwSUJSMnJXaG1LRUFBWUFTQUFFZ0w5UHZEX0J3RQ..*_gcl_au*MTY5NDU1ODg2Ni4xNzM5NjI5MTQ4&ckattempt=1
and from a link in the page above: 
https://www.acronis.com/en-us/support/documentation/ATI2021/index.html#40032.html

Despite that they still say they can do it, they don't promote it much,
and they didn't promote it much in 2011 either, Don't know why not. It
semes like a lot of people would want this. But Acronis has at least 13
years experience with this. 

Be sure to make the backup (or does he want a clone?) and recovery disk
for the new computer before you start copying from the old so if Acronis
or Easeus doesn't work, you cna restore what the new one came with. 
>
>-- 
>Jim the Geordie

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On 15/02/2025 14:44, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 09:56:18 +0000, Jim the
> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>>
>> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was
>> asking the wrong question!
>> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method,
>> assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer
>> where something has gone wrong?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one,
>> and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I
>> understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks
>> and documents, but what about all the applications?
> 
> There is software that will do this, although I have not tried it.  I
> even bought 10 years ago or more one whose name I cannot remember**, and
> if I had a computer with a replacement, empty HDD, I would probably try
> it, but except for once, new computers already had a functioning Windows
> on them and I didn't want to mess that up.  The one time I did get a
> laptop with a non-functional HDD, I think I forgot to consider this
> idea.
> 
> **I found the box and the DVD. It was called Acronis True Image Home
> 2011.  PC Backup & Recovery Plus.   It says, for Plus, "Recover on
> different hardware.  Restore your pC to dissimilar hardware regardless
> of make, model or installed components, or to a virtual machine". It
> didn't show up when I googled system transfer PC, but the brand is still
> sold and it seems that it makea, rather quietly, the same claim. Acronis
> True Image 2025.  More info about that in the footnote***.
> 
> Anoother program is https://www.easeus.com/free-pc-transfer-software/ it
> says it will transfer 2gigs of data and 5 programs for free. If you want
> more, unlimited, it's 40 for a month and 60 for lifetime.
> 
> I don't think any program that does this is free.
> 
> The way they work is one backs up the old computer, then installs the
> backup on the new computer using either semi-universal drivers, or maybe
> more likely the drivers that the source computer had, even if they don't
> work quite right, and after installation, the program looks for and
> installs the proper drivers for the make and model of the destination
> computer.  Seems to me this method should work.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=system+transfer+pc
> 
> Also maybe search for   Restore to dissimilar hardware.    Yes, that
> brings up many hits for Acronis, even though    system tranfer PC didn't
> bring up any afaik..
> 
>> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I
>> pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the
>> meantime. :)
> 
> Do I have clogs too?  Where are they?
> 
Clogs=wooden shoes - Yorkshire term for dying :(

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-- 
Jim the Geordie

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