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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10 |
| Subject | Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium |
| Date | 2025-02-15 05:43 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vopr57$58c$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On Sat, 2/15/2025 4:56 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
> On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the
>> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8
>>> Free.
>>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my
>>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a
>>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD)
>>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the
>>> Macrium file to start the rescue process?
>>
>> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive.
>> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if
>> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and
>> possibly even to the clone????? Check on that). So that you don't have
>> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a
>> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones). Takes much less
>> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer
>> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make?
>> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and
>> AOIME (sp?).
>
> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was asking the wrong question!
> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer where something has gone wrong?
> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks and documents, but what about all the applications?
> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the meantime. :)
>
Disk1 Disk2
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+
|MBR| C: | D: Data | ==> |MBR| C: | D: Data | Clone
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+
***************************************************************************
+-----------------------+
_____ | H: Backups (.mrimg) | ___
/ +-----------------------+ \
/ \ Bare Metal Restore
| v Boot the Rescue CD, restore the image
Disk1 (New) to a new disk drive which is empty
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+
|MBR| C: | D: Data | ==> |MBR| C: | D: Data | Backup/Restore
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+
***************************************************************************
Disk1 NewMachine
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+
|MBR| C: | D: Data | |MBR| C: | W: Data | Migration
+---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ (U.Data, Progs)
---------------------->
-----------------------> Add User to EmptyOS
Add Progs to EmptyOS
Laplink, Zinstall ($50 per program usage!)
***************************************************************************
When cloning a disk, no, there is no Incremental option.
Cloning is simple -- perfect copies only, one shot to do it.
When doing backup, the .mrimg files can be Full, Differential, Incremental, Incremental-Forever.
These are backup patterns, some of which are used in IT departments.
Incremental is popular, because it is relatively disk efficient.
Incremental-forever, restarts a cascade every once in a while,
so there is a synthetic Full plus Incremental, Incremental, Incremental.
Generally, "free" programs offer Full, because Win7 Backup offered Full,
and it would be hard to compete with the Microsoft "free" offer.
Some free programs offer Differential, and one, even offered Incremental.
People only accept "free" programs, if the function provided is useful,
and... if all their files come back. You the user, must test this!!!
Many "demo" web pages, don't give-a-fuck whether the files come back.
How many people do you know, can tell you pagefile.sys does not get
backed up and Windows.edb does not either ? These details are very hard
to determine, for people wishing to test for you.
I don't have *any* programs I trust, to list files. Right now,
I've been writing a program to do that, and I've run into a pattern
that makes me suspicious, but is not documented. There are some
file entries without filenames, which implies the filename come
via an undefined means. I asked the AI, and got exactly the kind
of waffle-bullshit I was expecting -- the AI told me to use a hex
editor and look for myself.
As an example of trustworthy, the Everything.exe program cannot
list the contents of a WSL1 tree on a C: drive. The WSL2 uses
a container instead of a tree, solving the problem. But that's
not the point. The point is, I only discovered list-shortening
by accident. And I absolutely refuse to use majority voter logic
to write a listdir program :-) Either the program works from
well established principles, or the program won't exist at all.
It's that simple. Some jobs must be done properly (you know, like
backup jobs).
Paul
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