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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10 |
| Subject | Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium |
| Date | 2025-02-15 07:07 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <voq018$13qo$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On Sat, 2/15/2025 6:51 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote: > On 15/02/2025 10:43, Paul wrote: >> On Sat, 2/15/2025 4:56 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote: >>> On 14/02/2025 18:34, micky wrote: >>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 14 Feb 2025 18:05:13 +0000, Jim the >>>> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm toying with the notion of creating a Backup using Macrium Reflect 8 >>>>> Free. >>>>> Just suppose my internal hard drive suffers a fault and I need to use my >>>>> backup created with Macrium to restore it. (Assume that I have created a >>>>> rescue disc and my backup is on an external HDD) >>>>> Question: if my hard drive is compromised, how would I get to the >>>>> Macrium file to start the rescue process? >>>> >>>> BTW, for a clone, you'll need to start with an empty 'backup' drive. >>>> IIRC the free version is fine, and all I used for a long time, but if >>>> you pay for it, you can do incremental changes to the backup (and >>>> possibly even to the clone????? Check on that). So that you don't have >>>> to (have it) erase everything and start from scratch every time you do a >>>> new backup (or clone, if this applies to clones). Takes much less >>>> writing and iirc much less time. Though you can still use the computer >>>> while you're copying t he files so I what difference does the time make? >>>> There are similar programs from other companies, like Minitool, and >>>> AOIME (sp?). >>> >>> After reading your replies and those of several others, I realise I was asking the wrong question! >>> The business of creating a 'backup' using Macrium, or any other method, assumes (I think) that the purpose is to restore to the (same) computer where something has gone wrong? >>> What I really want is to buy a new computer to replace this ageing one, and to transfer as much of the info on this machine to the new one. I understand I can simply backup files and folders like photos, bookmarks and documents, but what about all the applications? >>> I'm 84 now and can probably stumble on with my Windows 10 in the hope I pop-my-clogs before it does, but I'd rather have something to do in the meantime. :) >>> >> >> Disk1 Disk2 >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ >> |MBR| C: | D: Data | ==> |MBR| C: | D: Data | Clone >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ >> >> *************************************************************************** >> >> +-----------------------+ >> _____ | H: Backups (.mrimg) | ___ >> / +-----------------------+ \ >> / \ Bare Metal Restore >> | v Boot the Rescue CD, restore the image >> Disk1 (New) to a new disk drive which is empty >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ >> |MBR| C: | D: Data | ==> |MBR| C: | D: Data | Backup/Restore >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ >> >> *************************************************************************** >> >> Disk1 NewMachine >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ >> |MBR| C: | D: Data | |MBR| C: | W: Data | Migration >> +---+----+---------+ +---+----+---------+ (U.Data, Progs) >> ----------------------> >> -----------------------> Add User to EmptyOS >> Add Progs to EmptyOS >> Laplink, Zinstall ($50 per program usage!) >> >> *************************************************************************** >> >> When cloning a disk, no, there is no Incremental option. >> Cloning is simple -- perfect copies only, one shot to do it. >> >> When doing backup, the .mrimg files can be Full, Differential, Incremental, Incremental-Forever. >> These are backup patterns, some of which are used in IT departments. >> Incremental is popular, because it is relatively disk efficient. >> Incremental-forever, restarts a cascade every once in a while, >> so there is a synthetic Full plus Incremental, Incremental, Incremental. >> >> Generally, "free" programs offer Full, because Win7 Backup offered Full, >> and it would be hard to compete with the Microsoft "free" offer. >> >> Some free programs offer Differential, and one, even offered Incremental. >> People only accept "free" programs, if the function provided is useful, >> and... if all their files come back. You the user, must test this!!! >> Many "demo" web pages, don't give-a-fuck whether the files come back. >> How many people do you know, can tell you pagefile.sys does not get >> backed up and Windows.edb does not either ? These details are very hard >> to determine, for people wishing to test for you. >> >> I don't have *any* programs I trust, to list files. Right now, >> I've been writing a program to do that, and I've run into a pattern >> that makes me suspicious, but is not documented. There are some >> file entries without filenames, which implies the filename come >> via an undefined means. I asked the AI, and got exactly the kind >> of waffle-bullshit I was expecting -- the AI told me to use a hex >> editor and look for myself. >> >> As an example of trustworthy, the Everything.exe program cannot >> list the contents of a WSL1 tree on a C: drive. The WSL2 uses >> a container instead of a tree, solving the problem. But that's >> not the point. The point is, I only discovered list-shortening >> by accident. And I absolutely refuse to use majority voter logic >> to write a listdir program :-) Either the program works from >> well established principles, or the program won't exist at all. >> It's that simple. Some jobs must be done properly (you know, like >> backup jobs). >> >> Paul > > Was that an answer to my latest post about copying to a new computer? If it was, then I heard it pass right over my head. :) > The third diagram is copying to a new computer. You are taking your user data and installed programs, to a new computer. The charge is $50 per incident (moving just the user data, and moving the program content). ******* The other options are more general definitions of what a "clone" is, and what a "backup image" is. In the backup image, you are storing a copy of the disk drive on an external drive, for a rainy day. There might be strong reasons for cloning, like maybe it achieves a result faster than some other option. But you don't really ever need to clone. You can achieve all the same results with a backup/restore. Paul
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Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-15 09:44 -0500
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Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-15 23:38 -0500
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Re: Another dumb question? Re Macrium "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-02-14 20:57 +0100
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