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Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10

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On 20/01/2025 15:04, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/20/2025 8:45 AM, John C. wrote:
>> I started a thread with subject "Disabling unneeded services in Windows
>> 10", and as I'm beginning to discover about this group, it quickly got
>> sidetracked into unrelated discussion.
>>
>> Perhaps it's my fault for not asking for contributions to that topic and
>> perhaps I was being too general in scope.
>>
>> Accordingly, I am going to begin asking about specific services that I
>> would like to disable. Perhaps doing this will succeed in some very
>> meaningful discussion.
>>
>> No need to reply to this post unless you want to, others may choose to
>> read and reply to you but I will be focusing on my service-specific
>> posts instead.
>>
> 
>    When I first set up Win10 I made a composite image of
> my services settings. I'd be happy to post that in case it
> might be useful, but as I said earlier, everyone is different.
> You really have to understand your own system.
> 
>    In my case, for example, I don't regard the LAN as a network.
> Each device is independent and firewalled. So I need nothing
> related to network, file sharing, etc. I disable workstation
> and server services. I also disable all remote execution services.
> That's all for security reasons and because I have no reason
> to take such risks. I don't need to share files within the house.
> 
>    Other people want to share files with a second computer, send
> a print job to another room via ethernet, run Remote Desktop
> from their vacation home... That's a completely different usage
> profile.
> 
>   This is an important point because by default Microsoft sets
> things up to be in workstation mode. It's assumed that you're
> on an open network because their real customer is business
> users. There really is no SOHo version of Windows with
> intranet security.
> 
>    Services are a bit like ActiveX in webpages. Microsoft had
> invented some very clever stuff that was very unsafe. It took
> them a very long time to accept the latter fact. Services on
> NT are similar. When XP first came out it was the first retail
> version designed to be a networked workstation. One of the
> services set to run by default was called Messenger. (No relation
> to FB.) Messenger allowed for things like an IT dept that was
> asked to send out a notice not to forget the company picnic
> on Saturday. They could easily send out a popup message to
> every computer in the company. In no time, hackers were
> using Messenger to pop up misleading messages in order to do
> things like tricking people into going to a website for scam
> software.
> 
>    For unknown reasons, in 25 years Microsoft have still not fixed
> this sheer stupidity and produced a true SOHo system for
> people who own their own computer. Their model is that on
> a corporate netwrok, the IT dept owns your computer and
> now, in SOHo scenarios, MS owns your computer. Of course,
> you get to own the actual hardware, but Windows is now a
> commercial service. Which is why it's increasingly hard to
> set it up the way you want it.
> 
>    The status of disabling is also somewhat vague. For example,
> if you disable Windows Update, Windows will overrule your choice
> on Win10, which seems to be a first. On the other hand, if you
> disable rpcss or background tasks infrastructure you'll break the
> system, but Windows won't complain in its final throes! Though
> many services now will block the change, telling you the setting
> of disabled is not valid. It's an almost humorous passive aggression.
> They don't say, "You're not alllowed to make this change." They
> vaguely tell you there's something amiss. For those you have to
> get the service name, look up in the Registry, and set startup to
> 4 if you want them disabled.
> 
>     Given such a circus of permissions, what kind of security
> from 3rd-party hanky panky do you get by disabling services?
> I really don't know. Can 3rd-party software change permissions
> if running as admin? I don't know. That would be bizarre, given
> that Windows seems unable to re-enable most services
> unilaterally. But I wouldn't put anything past these people at
> this point. They've made a bloated mess of things and they now
> have conflicting motives, not least of which is trying to combine
> a corporate clientelle with surveillance business model.
> 
>    On the bright side, Win10/11 are largely fixable, though it takes
> a lot of work to reduce the bloat, eliminate the popup nags, etc.
> A lot more things require 3rd-party tweaking than used to.
> 
>    An interesting side note: Windows Update Blocker does a good
> job of stopping Windows Update, despite the built-in tricks to
> re-enable it. I'm not sure how it works, but I suspect it's changing
> permissions on the Registry keys, so that only Administrators
> can change them.

Windows Update Blocker - presumably this one
  - https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/


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Regards
wasbit

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More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-20 05:45 -0800
  Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 10:04 -0500
    Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-20 14:32 -0500
      Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 17:22 -0500
        Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-20 21:24 -0500
          Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 22:28 -0500
    Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-21 09:41 +0000
      Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-21 08:21 -0500
  Re: More on disabling unneeded services in Windows 10 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-20 16:35 +0000

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