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  personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 17:49 +0200
    Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:55 +0200
    Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-11 19:01 +0200
    Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 19:36 +0200
      Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 19:39 +0200
    Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-11 18:56 +0000
      Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-11 21:57 +0200
        Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-11 20:54 +0000
          Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:48 +0200
            Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 10:40 +0000
            Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 05:46 -0500
              Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:33 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 12:12 +0000
                  Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-13 07:32 +0200
        Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:37 +0200
      Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:35 +0200
        Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 04:48 -0500
          Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:06 +0200
            Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 13:43 +0200
            Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 07:29 -0500
            Re: personal cloud Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:58 +0000
              Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 16:59 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 15:34 +0000
                Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-14 14:14 +0200
              Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 22:34 +0000
                Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-13 15:03 +0000
                  Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-13 18:50 +0000
          Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 14:33 +0200
            Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 07:45 -0500
        Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 22:24 +0000

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#302

In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be 
> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other 
> service to translate it. If it is possible.

Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
for your exclusive usage.
Normally your provider does this, but mostly with varying IP you also
get a varying NAME too, either from that provider or from the network
switch that provides the IP.

Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
router and it is up to IT how it goes further.

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#303

On 12/10/18 14:58, Eef Hartman wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be
>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other
>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
> 
> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
> for your exclusive usage.

Oh ... ouch ! I did not think about this aspect (of the name 
!). You're perfectly right.
How difficult to share data

I should find another solution.

Like finding a way to dynamically update some content on a 
facebook page of my group. It was mentioned a script that 
probed the assigned IP

$(wget -qO - http://myip.dnsomatic.com/)

and put it somewhere existing at a fixed url.
Sort of AJAX tech, if it still exist ... but I should get a 
stable page somewhere.

This way I'd circumvent also the need of the No-IP server.

On the FB group I'd make available the actual physical IP.
I still need to verify if there are some APIs to do this, if 
not, another TRUE web page if they allow just linking to 
elsewhere (a free provider I have examined for example does 
not allow this sort of web page, for reasons which I daren't 
even imagine : in my naive thought taking up so few space 
would be appreciated ... but it isn't)


> Normally your provider does this, 

no my plan does not offer web space actually

> but mostly with varying IP you also
> get a varying NAME too, either from that provider or from the network
> switch that provides the IP.
> 
> Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
> 10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
> the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
> cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
> router and it is up to IT how it goes further.
> 

I have no clue on this point ...



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2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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#304

Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/10/18 14:58, Eef Hartman wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be
>>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other
>>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
>> 
>> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
>> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
>> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
>> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
>> for your exclusive usage.
>
> Oh ... ouch ! I did not think about this aspect (of the name 
> !). You're perfectly right.
> How difficult to share data

He's wrong.  *your* server does not need to publish names to the
internet.  It just needs a name that the internet knows about.

For example, the domain "djph.net" is ultimately provided to you by
no-ip.com, and NOT anything directly under my control.

> This way I'd circumvent also the need of the No-IP server.

There is no circumventing the need for *someone* hosting the DNS -> IP
address information for you.  Whether it's no-ip, or your registrar, or
you (i.e. "soviet mario").  


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#310

On 12/10/2018 16.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/10/18 14:58, Eef Hartman wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be
>>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other
>>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
>>
>> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
>> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
>> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
>> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
>> for your exclusive usage.
> 
> Oh ... ouch ! I did not think about this aspect (of the name !). You're
> perfectly right.
> How difficult to share data

No, you simply need a dynamic dns provider.



>> Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
>> 10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
>> the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
>> cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
>> router and it is up to IT how it goes further.
>>
> 
> I have no clue on this point ...

Typically you tell your router to send incoming requests on some port to
go to a fixed machine inside.


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#306

On 2018-10-12, Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be 
>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other 
>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
>
> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
> for your exclusive usage.
> Normally your provider does this, but mostly with varying IP you also
> get a varying NAME too, either from that provider or from the network
> switch that provides the IP.
>
> Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
> 10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
> the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
> cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
> router and it is up to IT how it goes further.

a dynamic DNS prodiver can provide a constant name over ip address
changes (there's a lag of about 1 minute) so brief disconnections when
your ip address changes.

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#308

On 2018-10-12, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
> On 2018-10-12, Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be 
>>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other 
>>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
>>
>> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
>> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
>> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
>> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
>> for your exclusive usage.
>> Normally your provider does this, but mostly with varying IP you also
>> get a varying NAME too, either from that provider or from the network
>> switch that provides the IP.
>>
>> Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
>> 10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
>> the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
>> cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
>> router and it is up to IT how it goes further.
>
> a dynamic DNS prodiver can provide a constant name over ip address
> changes (there's a lag of about 1 minute) so brief disconnections when
> your ip address changes.
>

Except it takes much longer than that for the info to propagate through
the net. Your primary dns provider may change the name "instantlsy" but
most users do not use your dns provider. They use some other one. In
order that dns not saturate the the net with requests, they are cached
and those caches can takes hours and days to be replenished. So many of
your users will see the old address up to days after the address has
changed. 

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#309

On 2018-10-13, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-10-12, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-12, Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.os.linux Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@cccp.mir> wrote:
>>>> As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be 
>>>> possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other 
>>>> service to translate it. If it is possible.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but YOUR server will have to provide that service (name to IP
>>> mapping) too as IT is the only one that knows wgat IP it currently
>>> got. So you would have to setup a name server (DNS server) too for a
>>> domain, all of your own, which also means you have to buy that domain
>>> for your exclusive usage.
>>> Normally your provider does this, but mostly with varying IP you also
>>> get a varying NAME too, either from that provider or from the network
>>> switch that provides the IP.
>>>
>>> Exception, if the IP's are in a private network (192.168.*.* or
>>> 10.*.*.* etc) _all_ of the machines have a single external IP: that of
>>> the router/switch that provides that private lan. From outside you then
>>> cannot connect to a specific machine as you can only can reach the
>>> router and it is up to IT how it goes further.
>>
>> a dynamic DNS prodiver can provide a constant name over ip address
>> changes (there's a lag of about 1 minute) so brief disconnections when
>> your ip address changes.
>>
>
> Except it takes much longer than that for the info to propagate through
> the net. Your primary dns provider may change the name "instantlsy" but
> most users do not use your dns provider. They use some other one. In
> order that dns not saturate the the net with requests, they are cached
> and those caches can takes hours and days to be replenished. So many of
> your users will see the old address up to days after the address has
> changed. 

With TTL 60 seconds it won't take much longer than 60 seconds for the
change to propogate.

Hours and days only if the source DNS serves with a high TTL and the
dynamic ones no not.

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#300

On 12/10/18 11:48, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:35:32 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>
>> Ah a detail I didn't give formerly : I have an ADSL
>> connection with dynamically assigned IP, thus the
>> clients/server should be able to manage some form of
>> IP-independent net communication
> 
> Think about that for a minute. How would anyone wanting to connect to
> your cloud know its ip address when the ip address changes?

rethinking to this reply, I'm wondering if it incidentally 
happened to be misleading or if it was meant to

(with reference to No-IP.com and so on)

if it was just a mistake, no problem.

> 
> Here put
>       How can I host a website on a dynamically-assigned IP address
> in the Second box at
>       https://encrypted.google.com/advanced_search
> 
> You might consider bookmarking the above url for later use.  :)
> 


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#301

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:33:01 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/10/18 11:48, Bit Twister wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:35:32 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah a detail I didn't give formerly : I have an ADSL
>>> connection with dynamically assigned IP, thus the
>>> clients/server should be able to manage some form of
>>> IP-independent net communication
>> 
>> Think about that for a minute. How would anyone wanting to connect to
>> your cloud know its ip address when the ip address changes?
>
> rethinking to this reply, I'm wondering if it incidentally 
> happened to be misleading 

No. it was not. You asked how to have your own cloud on your home
system. For anyone to connect, they would have to know your home ip
address, and right there is the rub. You could give them the current
ip address when you tell them about it. When it changes the could not
connect until they know the new ip addy.

> or if it was meant to (with reference to No-IP.com and so on)
> if it was just a mistake, no problem.

Ah, but at the time of your post, I assumed you did not know of those
other services, or what was needed until you did the suggested google
lookup or learned a bit more about it in this thread.

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#305

On 2018-10-12, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
> On 11/10/18 20:56, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2018-10-11, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
>>> does anybody knows a software for creating a personal cloud ?
>>> I mean some server "lite" very easy to configure or
>>> pre-configured for the task, in order to build a personal
>>> cloud ?
>>>
>>> With "personal cloud" I mean a remote shared disk (or just
>>> some folders) accessible via web and linux gui clients, in
>>> other words a sort of "DropBox" but using one's own disk
>>> storage as cloud depot.
>> 
>> Do you mean some disk whose partitions can bee remote mounted by NFS?
>> Is that similar to what you mean?
>
> good question ... I don't know :\
> I mean, I'm not sure what NFS is, so I can't tell.
> I'd like something DropBox, accessible (with credentials 
> logins and possibility to share sub-storage with different 
> level of control, i.g. for non admin users just view and 
> download, for myself also to ADD and MODIFY files) from 
> remote, but with no storage on 3rd party servers, just on my 
> partition. In that case I'd keep the machine on power obviously.
>
> Ah a detail I didn't give formerly : I have an ADSL 
> connection with dynamically assigned IP, thus the 
> clients/server should be able to manage some form of 
> IP-independent net communication

You'll probably need a subscription with a dyanmic DNS provider to fix
that. DYN and NO-IP are two providers that offer a hassle free free trial 
(and then start to hassle you after a year or so) linux package
"ddclient" can keep your dynamic record updated (also many routers can too)

An alternative is to rent a small virtual private server from Linode,
Digital Ocean, or Vultr, etc. and put the cloud service there.

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