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| Started by | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| First post | 2022-03-04 16:57 +0000 |
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How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-04 16:57 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 21:23 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 12:40 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-04 20:49 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 12:57 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 22:10 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 14:39 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 23:51 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-03-04 17:58 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 15:33 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2022-03-05 01:00 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 21:20 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:22 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2022-03-05 22:09 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:27 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-03-05 21:57 +1100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 13:11 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:55 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2022-03-04 18:57 -0600
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:28 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:18 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:36 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 16:04 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 18:58 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 18:47 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 21:21 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:10 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 09:11 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-03-06 12:46 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 21:23 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-04 21:26 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 23:05 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 15:23 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:31 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:20 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:59 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:48 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 22:07 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 14:15 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 00:00 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:05 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:39 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:24 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:19 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:02 +0000
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 16:57 +0000 |
| Subject | How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 |
| Message-ID | <svtge1$vja$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Do you have a solution that allows us to keep using a passwd in an MUA? Did you get this message today in all your Google email accounts? <https://i.postimg.cc/2yBvxJhJ/gmailpasswd02.jpg> It implies Google is dropping third-party mail user agent passwd support. <https://i.postimg.cc/MGfN2Z7r/gmailpasswd01.jpg> Verbatim: "On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure sign-in technology To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and password. Instead, you'll need to sign in using Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0." I'm sure I'm like others in that I do _not_ want to use my phone to authorize anything (not text, not 2FA, not my IP, nothing). I simply want a login and a password and I don't want anything more than only that. I'm not even sure if I want to use OATH2 (only if there is no other way). I don't use Google applications if I can help it, so I use 3rd party MUAs on all my platforms (K-9 Mail, Thunderbird, FairEmail, etc.). Do you have any solution that allows us to keep using a password in an MUA? -- Usenet is a team sport where each of us pitches in to help all the others.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 21:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <629afi-d8g.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1384 |
On 2022-03-04 17:57, Andy Burnelli wrote: > Do you have a solution that allows us to keep using a passwd in an MUA? > > Did you get this message today in all your Google email accounts? > <https://i.postimg.cc/2yBvxJhJ/gmailpasswd02.jpg> No. Only in one account that is not associated with a phone. Not all. > > It implies Google is dropping third-party mail user agent passwd support. > <https://i.postimg.cc/MGfN2Z7r/gmailpasswd01.jpg> > > Verbatim: > "On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure > sign-in technology > To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the > use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your > Google Account using only your username and password. > Instead, you'll need to sign in using Sign in with Google or other > more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0." > > I'm sure I'm like others in that I do _not_ want to use my phone to > authorize anything (not text, not 2FA, not my IP, nothing). I simply want a > login and a password and I don't want anything more than only that. > > I'm not even sure if I want to use OATH2 (only if there is no other way). > > I don't use Google applications if I can help it, so I use 3rd party > MUAs on > all my platforms (K-9 Mail, Thunderbird, FairEmail, etc.). > > Do you have any solution that allows us to keep using a password in an MUA? As you are setting the followup to alt.comp.software.thunderbird (which I ignored, of course), it means that you are only interested in an answer for Thunderbird. So, for Thunderbird, the solution is obvious: Use Oauth2, like it or not. Alternatively, use application passwords (a different password for each application). This requires you to active 2FA, which I know you dislike because it implies using your phone. Thus you can only stop using Google. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 12:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svttfj$450$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1385 |
On 03/04/2022 12:23 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-03-04 17:57, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Do you have a solution that allows us to keep using a passwd in an MUA?
>>
>> Did you get this message today in all your Google email accounts?
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/2yBvxJhJ/gmailpasswd02.jpg>
>
> No.
>
> Only in one account that is not associated with a phone. Not all.
>
>>
>> It implies Google is dropping third-party mail user agent passwd support.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/MGfN2Z7r/gmailpasswd01.jpg>
>>
>> Verbatim:
>> "On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure
>> sign-in technology
>> To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the
>> use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your
>> Google Account using only your username and password.
>> Instead, you'll need to sign in using Sign in with Google or other
>> more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0."
>>
>> I'm sure I'm like others in that I do _not_ want to use my phone to
>> authorize anything (not text, not 2FA, not my IP, nothing). I simply want a
>> login and a password and I don't want anything more than only that.
>>
>> I'm not even sure if I want to use OATH2 (only if there is no other way).
>>
>> I don't use Google applications if I can help it, so I use 3rd party
>> MUAs on
>> all my platforms (K-9 Mail, Thunderbird, FairEmail, etc.).
>>
>> Do you have any solution that allows us to keep using a password in an MUA?
>
>
> As you are setting the followup to alt.comp.software.thunderbird (which
> I ignored, of course), it means that you are only interested in an
> answer for Thunderbird.
>
> So, for Thunderbird, the solution is obvious: Use Oauth2, like it or not.
>
> Alternatively, use application passwords (a different password for each
> application). This requires you to active 2FA, which I know you dislike
> because it implies using your phone.
>
> Thus you can only stop using Google.
So let me get this straight... I can keep using Thunderbird38 on my
computer with my gmail accounts as long as I implement Oauth2 (whatever
that is) and delete my stored passwords (which I just saved with an xv
screenshot).
What about uploading photos to google photos? What about using google
maps? What about my saved places in google maps? What about those
things using my phone instead of my linux (or windows or laptop or other
people's computers) computer? Will they send me a text message with a
code to load in every single time I use a google app?
Personally, password security is perfectly acceptable to me -- if I were
plotting to overthrow the world perhaps I'd feel differently, but I
don't say a hell of a lot in email that I wouldn't be willing to post
publicly. I AM unwilling to pay T-Mobile a dime every time I need to
deal with a text message in order to deal with any google product.
Is there a website that deals with the details of this travesty in detail?
--
Cheers, Bev
"If anyone disagrees with anything I say, I am quite prepared
not only to retract it, but also to deny under oath that I
ever said it." -- T. Lehrer
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 20:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8fcaoFa1duU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1386 |
The Real Bev wrote: > So let me get this straight... I can keep using Thunderbird38 on my computer > with my gmail accounts as long as I implement Oauth2 yes > (whatever that is) and > delete my stored passwords (which I just saved with an xv screenshot). > > What about uploading photos to google photos? Your phone will be logged in to your google account, so it will Just Work[TM] if you want to upload to the photos web site, just login with your password. > What about using google maps? You might not have any need to login, but if you do, just use your password > What about my saved places in google maps? That's an example of when you will want to login with your password > What about those things using my > phone instead of my linux (or windows or laptop or other people's computers) > computer? Will they send me a text message with a code to load in every single > time I use a google app? Depends if you have 2FA enabled or not. > Personally, password security is perfectly acceptable to me Then none of this is the end of the world to you, just carry on using your password.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 12:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svtug4$bpi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1388 |
On 03/04/2022 12:49 PM, Andy Burns wrote: > The Real Bev wrote: > >> So let me get this straight... I can keep using Thunderbird38 on my computer >> with my gmail accounts as long as I implement Oauth2 > > yes > >> (whatever that is) and >> delete my stored passwords (which I just saved with an xv screenshot). >> >> What about uploading photos to google photos? > > Your phone will be logged in to your google account, so it will Just Work[TM] if > you want to upload to the photos web site, just login with your password. I use bluemail to access my gmail accounts. I do this because I don't want to download email to my phone automatically, which gmail didn't seem to offer any way to opt out of. Will this be a problem? >> What about using google maps? > > You might not have any need to login, but if you do, just use your password > >> What about my saved places in google maps? > > That's an example of when you will want to login with your password > >> What about those things using my >> phone instead of my linux (or windows or laptop or other people's computers) >> computer? Will they send me a text message with a code to load in every single >> time I use a google app? > > Depends if you have 2FA enabled or not. Two-factor authentication, right? Is the text-code-to-your-phone method the only way of doing this? >> Personally, password security is perfectly acceptable to me > > Then none of this is the end of the world to you, just carry on using your password. BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems like an even bigger nuisance. Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> -- Cheers, Bev Polish loan sharks: they loan you money and then skip town.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 22:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rqbafi-8li.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1391 |
On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: > > BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work > with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. > > I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order > to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for > example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems > like an even bigger nuisance. > > Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most > of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO > am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces settings for those millions - and you. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 14:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svu4eg$p0i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1394 |
On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work
>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment.
>>
>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order
>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for
>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems
>> like an even bigger nuisance.
>>
>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most
>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO
>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant>
>
> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces
> settings for those millions - and you.
The price is too high.
I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be
implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I
marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the
gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate
further.
--
Cheers, Bev
"...so she told me it was either her or the ham radio, over."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 23:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <unhafi-ego.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1399 |
On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>> >>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>> >>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>> >>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >> >> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >> settings for those millions - and you. > > The price is too high. You have no say in the matter :-p > > I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be > implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I > marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the > gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate > further. > I use imap on all my accounts. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 17:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <svu5it$sa$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1400 |
On 3/4/22 17:51, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>> >>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>> >>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>> >>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>> settings for those millions - and you. >> >> The price is too high. > > You have no say in the matter :-p > >> >> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >> further. >> > > I use imap on all my accounts. > When the first OAuth2 thing hit last year, I changed every account to IMAP. I have found it a great asset. Just a week ago I tried something and lost my system. I had morning backups but had done a good amount of emails and responses and received a lot from my doctors etc. The reload took only a bit and the instant TB was launch, as much as it was a bit outdated, all the folders got in sync. Fabulous.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 15:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svu7jd$h61$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1400 |
On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>> >>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>> >>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>> >>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>> settings for those millions - and you. >> >> The price is too high. > > You have no say in the matter :-p Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. >> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >> further. > > I use imap on all my accounts. I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in the cloud is unsettling. This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. This isn't easy, but I never considered the possibility when I established most of my accounts. IMAP is certainly more practical. I need to do some experimentation... I don't think anything changed when I added IMAP to those two existing POP accounts... -- Cheers, Bev "Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say." -- S. Kumar
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| From | Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 01:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svucns$62d$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #1404 |
On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> >>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>>> >>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>>> >>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>>> settings for those millions - and you. >>> >>> The price is too high. >> >> You have no say in the matter :-p > > Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. > >>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>> further. >> >> I use imap on all my accounts. > I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete > it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in > the cloud is unsettling. I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to > read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. -- Jasen.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 21:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svurud$dbj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1409 |
On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work
>>>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order
>>>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for
>>>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems
>>>>>> like an even bigger nuisance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most
>>>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO
>>>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant>
>>>>>
>>>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces
>>>>> settings for those millions - and you.
>>>>
>>>> The price is too high.
>>>
>>> You have no say in the matter :-p
>>
>> Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful.
>>
>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be
>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I
>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the
>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate
>>>> further.
>>>
>>> I use imap on all my accounts.
>
>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete
>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in
>> the cloud is unsettling.
>
> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my
> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail
> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server.
I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? Various mail
servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers.
>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to
>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back.
>
> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer.
But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it.
--
Cheers, Bev
"If anyone disagrees with anything I say, I am quite prepared
not only to retract it, but also to deny under oath that I
ever said it." -- T. Lehrer
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <j6jbfi-gu6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1414 |
On 2022-03-05 06:20, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete >>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in >>> the cloud is unsettling. >> >> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my >> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail >> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > > I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? Various mail > servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers. For a client, yes. But it is actually both, an smtp server both sends and receives. An smtp server talks to other smtp servers. Yes, it is tricky to get other smtp servers out there to actually accept your smtp server. Typically you need a fixed IP with both dns and reverse dns working, and not being blacklisted. >>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to >>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. >> >> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. > > But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it. For that there is automatics :-) If downloading is manual, you can also do that via ssh. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 22:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t00n2t$41q$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #1414 |
On 2022-03-05, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>>>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>>>>> >>>>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>>>>> settings for those millions - and you. >>>>> >>>>> The price is too high. >>>> >>>> You have no say in the matter :-p >>> >>> Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. >>> >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete >>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in >>> the cloud is unsettling. >> >> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my >> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail >> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > > I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? SMTP is also for transferring mail between servers. > Various mail servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers. no. but SPF and DKIM are something like that. >>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to >>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. >> >> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. > > But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it. SMTP works automatically. you don't need to manually download. -- Jasen.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <cgjbfi-467.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1404 |
On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>> further. >> >> I use imap on all my accounts. > > I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete > it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in > the cloud is unsettling. But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do Oauth2, I believe). But you can also set this up with Thunderbird. First, you can tell Th to synchronize for offline reading. Or, you can create a filter that moves instantly any new email to a local folder - but in this case another machine or tablet can not read the email. Except that gmail by default doesn't delete anything. > This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to > read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. This > isn't easy, but I never considered the possibility when I established > most of my accounts. IMAP is certainly more practical. I need to do > some experimentation... I don't think anything changed when I added > IMAP to those two existing POP accounts... > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 21:57 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <88sbfi-ga3.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au> |
| In reply to | #1416 |
On 05/03/2022 19:27, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: > > >>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>> further. >>> >>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and >> delete it from the server. The idea of having it floating around >> forever in the cloud is unsettling. > > But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, > you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do Oauth2, > I believe). > Getmail - the proper getmail, 5, - at <https://pyropus.ca./software/getmail/>, has a mechanism for using OAUTH2, I just changed to OAUTH2 from simple login for the three accounts that I pull down from gmail. Took maybe 10-15 minutes, most of which was working through the interminable google setup stuff. Oh, Getmail is written in Python 2, so if you're limited by what you can click'n'drool it probably won't work for you. Cheers, Gary B-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 13:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dk0cfi-adj.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #1419 |
On 2022-03-05 11:57, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > On 05/03/2022 19:27, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >> >> >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >>> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and >>> delete it from the server. The idea of having it floating around >>> forever in the cloud is unsettling. >> >> But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, >> you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do >> Oauth2, I believe). >> > Getmail - the proper getmail, 5, - at > <https://pyropus.ca./software/getmail/>, has a mechanism for using > OAUTH2, I just changed to OAUTH2 from simple login for the three > accounts that I pull down from gmail. > > Took maybe 10-15 minutes, most of which was working through the > interminable google setup stuff. > > Oh, Getmail is written in Python 2, so if you're limited by what you can > click'n'drool it probably won't work for you. I just looked in the fetchmail manual, and there are references to oauth2, too. Rather "oaouth2 token" -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svucdp$1h7f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1399 |
The Real Bev wrote: > I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be > implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I > marked as IMAP. I must have switched to OAuth2 long ago (probably when the last warning came from Google) and I _still_ got the email message from google it seems. [Tools/AccountSettings/YourGmailAccount/ServerSettings/SecuritySettings/AuthenticationMethod] <https://i.postimg.cc/432zCNgx/gmailpasswd03.jpg> Current Gmail OATH2 setup -- Usenet isn't for amusement; it's for learning from and helping each other.
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 18:57 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dvOdnakenf8IKL__nZ2dnUU7-QednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1406 |
In alt.os.linux Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> > I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be
> > implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I
> > marked as IMAP.
> I must have switched to OAuth2 long ago (probably when the last warning came
> from Google) and I _still_ got the email message from google it seems.
> [Tools/AccountSettings/YourGmailAccount/ServerSettings/SecuritySettings/AuthenticationMethod]
> <https://i.postimg.cc/432zCNgx/gmailpasswd03.jpg> Current Gmail OATH2 setup
Check your logged in https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps. Is it
ON? If so, then turn it OFF. I'm pretty sure Google is checking your
Google account's settings.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 01:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svuech$3lb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1407 |
Ant wrote: > Check your logged in https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps. Is it > ON? If so, then turn it OFF. I'm pretty sure Google is checking your > Google account's settings. Funny thing is I haven't "logged" into a Google app in years it seems. I just click Thunderbird in Windows to get my mail, or K-9 on Android. Logging into Google using Opera, which is a VPN-based browser... Damn... sends me to 'security' <https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=accountsettings&hl=en-US&continue=https://myaccount.google.com/intro/security> Oh crap. Captcha.... (it's the only childish puzzle game I'm forced to play) Jesus Christ.... damn piece of shit is forcing another email on me. Now I have to give it a _second_ email just to log into the first. (Google _hates_ vpn like I hate trolls!) Anyway, after I set all that up, it gives me this confusing page: <https://i.postimg.cc/MGs3HSyn/gmailpasswd04.jpg> Apps with access to your account Third-party apps with account access You gave these sites and apps access to some of your Google Account data, including info that may be sensitive. Remove access for those you no longer trust or use. Learn about the risks 1 of your apps is secured by Cross-Account Protection. SRWare Iron Has full access to your Google Account Email - Edison Mail Has access to Gmail, Google Contacts FairEmail, privacy aware email Has access to Gmail *Mozilla Thunderbird Email Has access to Gmail* Signing in with Google You use your Google Account to sign in to these sites and apps. They can view your name, email address, and profile picture. 1 of your apps is secured by Cross-Account Protection. Google Account sign-in prompts Allow Google to offer a faster way to sign in with your Google Account on supported third-party sites Email - Edison Mail JSTOR Google may also have access to some of your third-party accounts. Learn more about how to manage those connections. -- Can you make sense out of that? I can't yet.
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