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  What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-29 05:59 -0700
    Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "p-0 0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:32 +0000
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:21 -0700
        Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "p-0 0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2026-06-30 09:11 +0000
          Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 04:40 -0700
            Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "p-0 0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:23 +0000
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 04:39 -0700
    Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 01:44 +0800
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 06:51 +0200
        Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 16:04 +0800
          Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 17:13 +0800
            Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2026-07-01 17:49 +1000
              Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 18:50 +0800
        Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-30 20:05 +1000
          Re: What does "libre" ... "caca" <-- laughing? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 18:19 +0800
            Re: What does "libre" ... "caca" <-- laughing? german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 12:55 +0200
        Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
          Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-01 20:28 +1000
            Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-01 13:20 +0100
              Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-02 22:11 +1000
                Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:07 +0000
                  Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-03 20:46 +1000
                Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 03:19 +0000

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#379838 — What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license?

In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish software
that grants users total liberty over their code (free as in speech) from
software that is simply available at no monetary cost, or gratis (free
as in beer).

https://book.the-turing-way.org/reproducible-research/licensing/licensing-floss/

According to the Free Software Definition:

https://wikieducator.org/Libre

a "libre" software license must grant users four essential freedoms:

- Use: The freedom to run the software for any purpose.

- Study: The freedom to examine how the program works and alter it to
fit your needs (which requires accessible source code).

- Share: The freedom to redistribute copies to help others.

- Modify: The freedom to distribute modified versions and share your
improvements with the community.

Common examples of licenses that meet these "libre" criteria include the
GNU General Public License (GPL) and permissive open-source licenses
like the MIT and Apache licenses.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/open-source-license

Freeware, in the context of the main topic of this newsgroup, is
software that requires no cost, monetary or otherwise, to use. Such
software may or may not be "libre", because the four freedoms described
above have nothing to do with the cost (to the end user) of running a
program.

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#379844

On 29/06/2026 12:59, John C. wrote:
> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish software
> that grants users total liberty over their code (free as in speech) from
> software that is simply available at no monetary cost, or gratis (free
> as in beer).

Laughable, libre does not translate to liberte or liberty.

I does not grant 'total liberty over their code', quite the opposite. 
How can it.

"We grant you total liberty, you lucky lucky lowly oik, as long as you 
keep yer nose clean and do what we say i.e, abide by the four 
commandments or I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and 
furious anger". That's what it says. Don't shoot the messenger.

This is why I hate these people, not only do they come to tell us how 
much better they are than us scummy users of 'proprietary' software, but 
they wrap it up in a sloppy infantile inaccurate barely literate fairy 
story, and expect us to treat them seriously, and with reverence like 
they are disciples of the one true God.


> https://book.the-turing-way.org/reproducible-research/licensing/licensing-floss/
> 
> According to the Free Software Definition:
> 
> https://wikieducator.org/Libre

According to the book of Messiah, chapter 2, verse 6

> a "libre" software license must grant users four essential freedoms:

Opps what happened to liberty, suddenly I have an obligation.

<yada>

> Common examples of licenses that meet these "libre" criteria include the
> GNU General Public License (GPL) and permissive open-source licenses
> like the MIT and Apache licenses.

So, with MIT and Apache licenses you have the additional [greater] 
freedom to make your mod non-libre. Sound like real freedom to any of 
you. Oh, yes, they are not better than us, we are better than them. 
Arise pussies, and man the barricades!


> https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/open-source-license
> 
> Freeware, in the context of the main topic of this newsgroup, is
> software that requires no cost, monetary or otherwise, to use. Such
> software may or may not be "libre", because the four freedoms described
> above have nothing to do with the cost (to the end user) of running a
> program.

Well, there is a cost to GPL licensed software, verbal diarrhea. Why is 
mine any worse. It's just perception. I have a point. I'm a serious cat 
and the cost in lost opportunity from the implementation of this license 
is incalculable. Trillions of trillions probably. I'll tell you about it 
some time when the mob next call and do their preachy, preachy thing.


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#379846

p-0 0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
> they come to tell us how much better they are than us scummy users of 
> 'proprietary' software,

Well, 'they' shouldn't do that.

There is good and bad proprietary and there is good and bad open and 
there are advantages and disadvantages to dev/ing software 'both' 
different ways.

One complicating feature of open is the *variety* of copyleft licensing, 
of which *you* have much better insight than the rest of us, because you 
have chosen to involve yourself in its understanding more than most.

It IS true that linux fans LUV open source and tend to 'follow' the old 
arguments found in ES Raymond's '99 Cathedral/Bazaar book and previously.

There's plenty of room for development in both spheres.

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#379849

On 29/06/2026 19:21, Mike Easter wrote:
> p-0 0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>> they come to tell us how much better they are than us scummy users of 
>> 'proprietary' software,
> 
> Well, 'they' shouldn't do that.
> 
> There is good and bad proprietary and there is good and bad open and 
> there are advantages and disadvantages to dev/ing software 'both' 
> different ways.
> 
> One complicating feature of open is the *variety* of copyleft licensing, 
> of which *you* have much better insight than the rest of us, because you 
> have chosen to involve yourself in its understanding more than most.
> 
> It IS true that linux fans LUV open source and tend to 'follow' the old 
> arguments found in ES Raymond's '99 Cathedral/Bazaar book and previously.
> 
> There's plenty of room for development in both spheres.

Look Mike, what I really care about is the sheer cost to the world of 
this form of software licensing.

It's driven by this idea that if you give something away for free you 
should get something back. That you can put obligations into the license 
that stops big business [in particular] from making money out of it 
unless they 'give something back'. Pinky anti corporate nonsense. Has 
that worked, maybe, a bit, certainly not completely, and what is the 
result. See below for the benefits of permissive licensing. It has 
worked however disproportionately against the little people.

Permissive licenses let everybody make money out of the software.

I've been arguing for years that just giving it away benefits everybody 
and hurts no one.

More businesses, more jobs, more wealth, more products, cheaper 
products, better products, products that help people.

The cumulative effect of that on direct wealth creation and the trickle 
down would have been enormous. Is enormous. In fact you can see how the 
world has changed since the balance of copyleft to permissive licensing 
has moved in favor of permissive in recent years.

You don't need to be an economist to get this, it's a back of a fag 
packet calc.

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#379861

On 26/06/30 02:11 AM, p-0 0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
> On 29/06/2026 19:21, Mike Easter wrote:
>> p-0 0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
>>> they come to tell us how much better they are than us scummy users of
>>> 'proprietary' software,
>>
>> Well, 'they' shouldn't do that.
>>
>> There is good and bad proprietary and there is good and bad open and
>> there are advantages and disadvantages to dev/ing software 'both'
>> different ways.
>>
>> One complicating feature of open is the *variety* of copyleft
>> licensing, of which *you* have much better insight than the rest of
>> us, because you have chosen to involve yourself in its understanding
>> more than most.
>>
>> It IS true that linux fans LUV open source and tend to 'follow' the
>> old arguments found in ES Raymond's '99 Cathedral/Bazaar book and
>> previously.
>>
>> There's plenty of room for development in both spheres.
> 
> Look Mike, what I really care about is the sheer cost to the world of
> this form of software licensing.
> 
> It's driven by this idea that if you give something away for free you
> should get something back. That you can put obligations into the license
> that stops big business [in particular] from making money out of it
> unless they 'give something back'. Pinky anti corporate nonsense. Has
> that worked, maybe, a bit, certainly not completely, and what is the
> result. See below for the benefits of permissive licensing. It has
> worked however disproportionately against the little people.
> 
> Permissive licenses let everybody make money out of the software.
> 
> I've been arguing for years that just giving it away benefits everybody
> and hurts no one.
> 
> More businesses, more jobs, more wealth, more products, cheaper
> products, better products, products that help people.
> 
> The cumulative effect of that on direct wealth creation and the trickle
> down would have been enormous. Is enormous. In fact you can see how the
> world has changed since the balance of copyleft to permissive licensing
> has moved in favor of permissive in recent years.
> 
> You don't need to be an economist to get this, it's a back of a fag
> packet calc.
"The gift that keeps on giving..." indeed.

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#379873

On 30/06/2026 11:40, John C. wrote:

> The gift that keeps on giving.

Yes indeed.

Never waste an opportunity.

Throwing away opportunity, is throwing away tomorrow.


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#379860

On 26/06/29 10:32 AM, p-0 0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
> On 29/06/2026 12:59, John C. wrote:
>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish software
>> that grants users total liberty over their code (free as in speech) from
>> software that is simply available at no monetary cost, or gratis (free
>> as in beer).
> 
> Laughable, libre does not translate to liberte or liberty.
> 
> I does not grant 'total liberty over their code', quite the opposite.
> How can it.
> 
> "We grant you total liberty, you lucky lucky lowly oik, as long as you
> keep yer nose clean and do what we say i.e, abide by the four
> commandments or I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and
> furious anger". That's what it says. Don't shoot the messenger.
> 
> This is why I hate these people, not only do they come to tell us how
> much better they are than us scummy users of 'proprietary' software, but
> they wrap it up in a sloppy infantile inaccurate barely literate fairy
> story, and expect us to treat them seriously, and with reverence like
> they are disciples of the one true God.
> 
> 
>> https://book.the-turing-way.org/reproducible-research/licensing/
>> licensing-floss/
>>
>> According to the Free Software Definition:
>>
>> https://wikieducator.org/Libre
> 
> According to the book of Messiah, chapter 2, verse 6
> 
>> a "libre" software license must grant users four essential freedoms:
> 
> Opps what happened to liberty, suddenly I have an obligation.
> 
> <yada>
> 
>> Common examples of licenses that meet these "libre" criteria include the
>> GNU General Public License (GPL) and permissive open-source licenses
>> like the MIT and Apache licenses.
> 
> So, with MIT and Apache licenses you have the additional [greater]
> freedom to make your mod non-libre. Sound like real freedom to any of
> you. Oh, yes, they are not better than us, we are better than them.
> Arise pussies, and man the barricades!
> 
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/open-source-license
>>
>> Freeware, in the context of the main topic of this newsgroup, is
>> software that requires no cost, monetary or otherwise, to use. Such
>> software may or may not be "libre", because the four freedoms described
>> above have nothing to do with the cost (to the end user) of running a
>> program.
> 
> Well, there is a cost to GPL licensed software, verbal diarrhea. Why is
> mine any worse. It's just perception. I have a point. I'm a serious cat
> and the cost in lost opportunity from the implementation of this license
> is incalculable. Trillions of trillions probably. I'll tell you about it
> some time when the mob next call and do their preachy, preachy thing.

You'll have to take up your objections with Gemini, where I got the OP's
information.  80)>

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#379845

On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
> 
> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...

LibreOffice - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>

LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
<https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>

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#379847

Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>
>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
> 
> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
> 
> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
> 

free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
et do a another version of the software !
may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
10000 peoples !



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#379848

On 6/30/2026 12:51 PM, german newsgroups wrote:
> 
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !
Let me introduce you an english word that's
very hard to spell and remember:

ESPIONAGE中文(繁體)翻譯：劍橋詞典
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/zht/%E8%A9%9E%E5%85%B8/%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E-%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E-%E7%B9%81%E9%AB%94/espionage>

Espionage - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage>

Meow.... The game is afoot!! :)



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#379850

On 6/30/2026 4:04 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
 > On 6/30/2026 12:51 PM, german newsgroups wrote:
 >>
 >> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
 >> et do a another version of the software ....
 >>
 >
 > Let me introduce you an english word that's
 > very hard to spell and remember:
 >
 > ESPIONAGE中文(繁體)翻譯：劍橋詞典
 > 
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/zht/%E8%A9%9E%E5%85%B8/%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E-%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E-%E7%B9%81%E9%AB%94/espionage>
 >
 > Espionage - Wikipedia
 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage>
 >
 > Meow.... The game is afoot!! :)

And there is no newsgroup to discuss
or complain about espionage. :)

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#379884

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:13:14 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> 
> 
> And there is no newsgroup to discuss or complain about espionage. :)

the MSS are watching you, you can't hide.

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#379887

On 7/1/2026 3:49 PM, noel wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:13:14 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> 
>> And there is no newsgroup to discuss or complain about espionage. :)
> 
> the MSS are watching you, you can't hide.

No. BANG!! BANG!! BANG!!

;)


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#379854

On 30/06/2026 2:51 pm, german newsgroups wrote:
> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>>
>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>>
>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>>
>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>>
> 
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !
> 
Does caca really mean 10,000 (i.e. 100 x 100)??

I thought 'caca' might have meant what you might find in a Baby's 
nappy!! ;-P .... so a 'caca version' might have been pretty sh%$
-- 
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#379856 — Re: What does "libre" ... "caca" <-- laughing?

On 6/30/2026 6:05 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 30/06/2026 2:51 pm, german newsgroups wrote:
>>
>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>> 10000 peoples !
>>
> Does caca really mean 10,000 (i.e. 100 x 100)??
> 
> I thought 'caca' might have meant what you might find in a Baby's
> nappy!! ;-P .... so a 'caca version' might have been pretty sh%$


Are you laughing when you said "caca"? :)

What language is it?

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#379857 — Re: What does "libre" ... "caca" <-- laughing?

Le 30/06/2026 à 12:19, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> On 6/30/2026 6:05 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 30/06/2026 2:51 pm, german newsgroups wrote:
>>>
>>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>>> 10000 peoples !
>>>
>> Does caca really mean 10,000 (i.e. 100 x 100)??
>>
>> I thought 'caca' might have meant what you might find in a Baby's
>> nappy!! ;-P .... so a 'caca version' might have been pretty sh%$
> 
> 
> Are you laughing when you said "caca"? :)
> 
> What language is it?
> 

is the life ! free and a big project is a sort off licence !


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#379875

On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>
>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>
>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>> 
>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>> 
>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !

Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".

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#379886

On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>>>
>>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>>>
>>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>>
>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>> et do a another version of the software !
>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>> 10000 peoples !
> 
> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
> 
To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want .... 
whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my 
attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).

Am I wrong??
-- 
Daniel70

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#379889

On 2026/7/1 11:28:50, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
>>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>>> et do a another version of the software !
>>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>>> 10000 peoples !
>>
>> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
>>
> To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want .... 
> whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my 
> attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).
> 
> Am I wrong??

In practice, yes.

The two "free"s are usually brought up in the context of software; that
which is "free as in speech", usually applied to open source, means you
are free to do whatever you want with it, including changing all sorts
of settings; it usually doesn't cost anything either, though sometimes
(e. g. some Linux distributions, AIUI) there is a minor charge for the
convenience; the point usually being made when the two "free"s are
brought up is that it's not cost that is the main freedom being
considered. Free as in beer would be software that's free to download
and use, but over which you may have little choice about how it works
(including settings), or even information on how it works - it usually
_isn't_ source-code available, for example. A _good_ (IMO) example of
free-as-in-beer software is IrfanView (for private use - though Irfan
does accept donations); there are plenty of bad examples, such as those
that include malware or at least ad.s and information-grathering (I
think many "app"s, and browser add-ons, are such). I'll leave others to
give examples of good (and bad - there must be some!) free-as-in-speech
softwares.
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#379899

On 1/07/2026 10:20 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/7/1 11:28:50, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
> []
>>>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>>>> et do a another version of the software !
>>>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>>>> 10000 peoples !
>>>
>>> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
>>>
>> To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want ....
>> whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my
>> attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).
>>
>> Am I wrong??
> 
> In practice, yes.
> 
> The two "free"s are usually brought up in the context of software; that
> which is "free as in speech", usually applied to open source, means you
> are free to do whatever you want with it, including changing all sorts
> of settings; it usually doesn't cost anything either, though sometimes
> (e. g. some Linux distributions, AIUI) there is a minor charge for the
> convenience; the point usually being made when the two "free"s are
> brought up is that it's not cost that is the main freedom being
> considered. Free as in beer would be software that's free to download
> and use, but over which you may have little choice about how it works
> (including settings), or even information on how it works - it usually
> _isn't_ source-code available, for example. A _good_ (IMO) example of
> free-as-in-beer software is IrfanView (for private use - though Irfan
> does accept donations); there are plenty of bad examples, such as those
> that include malware or at least ad.s and information-grathering (I
> think many "app"s, and browser add-ons, are such). I'll leave others to
> give examples of good (and bad - there must be some!) free-as-in-speech
> softwares.
> 
Gee Whiz!! Didn't I just type that?? More succinct, or explicit, maybe, 
but the same. ;-P
-- 
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