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| Started by | Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-19 00:57 -0400 |
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The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-19 00:57 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 22:02 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-19 01:08 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 08:44 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-03-19 17:29 +0000
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-19 10:54 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-03-19 18:02 +0000
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-03-19 18:59 +0000
Re: Forgive us.. "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-03-19 13:22 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-03-19 21:25 +0000
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 11:10 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-19 14:18 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-19 12:54 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-03-19 19:23 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 13:08 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 13:15 -0700
He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-03-19 13:32 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-19 13:57 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-03-19 14:06 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 14:33 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2016-03-19 22:32 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 05:11 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Malte Runz <noyouare@notgetting.it> - 2016-03-19 23:13 +0100
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-19 16:38 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-20 01:57 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-21 05:02 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Irreverend Dave <reverend_dave@ministerpants.com> - 2016-03-21 12:53 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-21 07:58 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 16:09 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-22 11:21 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-22 08:21 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-22 16:23 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-22 15:42 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 10:11 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-03-22 13:31 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-22 16:24 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-03-22 19:35 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Irreverend Dave <reverend_dave@ministerpants.com> - 2016-03-22 16:30 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 16:24 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-03-21 10:20 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 17:59 +0000
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-03-21 18:10 -0400
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 14:23 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 10:20 -0700
Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-03-20 08:28 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 14:39 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 16:30 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-20 00:54 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 22:41 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-20 02:15 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 05:47 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-20 18:22 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-03-21 08:06 +0000
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 07:17 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-21 11:25 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 07:14 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-21 11:34 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:50 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-21 12:04 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:31 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-21 12:41 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:27 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 12:50 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-22 16:46 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 15:57 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-22 22:27 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 20:25 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-23 00:28 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 21:42 -0700
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 Robert Duncan <rob-duncan32@outlook.com> - 2016-03-23 00:58 -0400
Re: The Theology of John Calvin -- 76 John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-03-19 11:11 +0000
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| From | "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-19 22:32 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <69mdnfm3Te1BqHPLnZ2dnUU7-eHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #2077054 |
"Greywolf" wrote in message news:5eabd344-4fc9-419e-bfb0-f239a6d97bef@googlegroups.com... > Andrew wrote: >> "Kevrob" wrote: >> > Andrew wrote: >> >> "Greywolf" wrote: >> >> >> >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing you can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing. >> >> >> >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly >> >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that >> >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would. >> >> >> >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in >> >> peace. >> > >> > You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection to >> > the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical method. >> > there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence. >> >> "If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." >> ~ Jesus > > "He will be rejected and killed, but *THREE DAYS LATER* > he will rise to life (Mark 8:31; CEV) Which is _exactly_ what happened, glory to God. It was a Thursday night when He was arrested and officially rejected by..."The nation's leaders, the chief priests, and the teachers of the Law of Moses." [Mark 8:31] Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night = Three nights. Rose on Sunday morning, glory to God = the third day. They all knew that Sunday was the third day, Luke 24:2. Therefore since Jesus prediction came true to the letter, then His promise of return will likely come true also to the letter. It would be wise to prepare now to meet Him in peace.
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| From | Greywolf <greywolftheatheist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-20 05:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <4344b4d1-616d-4443-aa11-dd8aa3eb53a4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077202 |
On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 10:32:15 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "Greywolf" wrote in message news:5eabd344-4fc9-419e-bfb0-f239a6d97bef@googlegroups.com...
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> "Kevrob" wrote:
> >> > Andrew wrote:
> >> >> "Greywolf" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing you can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly
> >> >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that
> >> >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would.
> >> >>
> >> >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in
> >> >> peace.
> >> >
> >> > You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection to
> >> > the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical method.
> >> > there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence.
> >>
> >> "If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
> >> ~ Jesus
> >
> > "He will be rejected and killed, but *THREE DAYS LATER*
> > he will rise to life (Mark 8:31; CEV)
>
> Which is _exactly_ what happened, glory to God.
>
> It was a Thursday night when He was arrested and officially
> rejected by..."The nation's leaders, the chief priests, and the
> teachers of the Law of Moses." [Mark 8:31]
You've tried pulling this one twice before, you deceitful pig, you. And it's not going to work this time either.
>
> Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night = Three nights.
Even assuming a Thursday crucifixion, you have Jesus arising on SATURDAY in Matthew 16:21, but on SUNDAY according to Mark 8:31. And based on this:
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
you have Jesus arising on FRIDAY. So pick our poison!
Furthermore, you have at least ONE of the texts contradicting ""NO word from God will EVER fail." (Luke 1:37)
>
> Rose on Sunday morning, glory to God = the third day.
A Thursday crucifixion would lead to a SATURDAY arising if you're going to stick to "On the third day." But as my article shows, it would actually have been on FRIDAY--based on a Thursday crucifixion.
>
> They all knew that Sunday was the third day, Luke 24:2.
Who CARES what Luke 24:2 says! Mark 8:31 clearly says three days AFTER Jesus is killed. And it's also found in Mark 9:31 and 10:34; and also in Matthew 12:40 and 27:63!
So Luke 24:2 is contradicted by Mark 8:31 and it's parallel passages AND, in turn, proves Luke 1:37 FALSE. There's no getting around it, you piece of shit. Your religion has been irrefutably proven FALSE.
>
> Therefore since Jesus prediction came true to the letter,
> then His promise of return will likely come true also to
> the letter.
>
> It would be wise to prepare now to meet Him in peace.
Eat shit. His prediction did NOT come true, fart-breath. There is no way in this universe that "ON the third day" means "Three days AFTER"!!
Want more proof of that? Read this:
A Conversation Between Two Apostles
Envision the following scene: Jesus' apostles, Peter and James, have just met at a well on a very hot Sunday afternoon in the village of Nazareth:
Peter: Did you hear? Timothy is getting married!
James: Why, that's wonderful news!! When's the wedding?
Peter: Well, let's see, Bartholomew told me it was to be *ON* the third day of this week, so that would make it Tuesday afternoon.
James: Well I'll make sure then, that I have my mule and I ready to arrive as early as I can *AFTER* [those] three days, [on Wednesday], so that I don't miss ANY part of the wedding ceremony.
Read it and weep, you prick.
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| From | Malte Runz <noyouare@notgetting.it> |
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| Date | 2016-03-19 23:13 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <uejreb5b3t040jdh5ffo86ekn2j7d308p5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2077036 |
On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote: >> "Greywolf" wrote in message news:ff206129-294a-4817-aa9c-69bf0703cb73@googlegroups.com... >> >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing you can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing. >> >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would. >> >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in >> peace. > >You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection to >the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical method. >there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence. > >Just because you believe it was so, does not make it so. It sure does, and if you don't agree, it is your job to find evidence that shows that Jesus did not arise from the tomb. -- Malte Runz
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-19 16:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <70783f74-0a5b-41e4-ac34-190165bcecd3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077073 |
On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 6:11:59 PM UTC-4, Malte Runz wrote: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > wrote: > > >On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote: > >> "Greywolf" wrote in message news:ff206129-294a-4817-aa9c-69bf0703cb73@googlegroups.com... > >> > >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing you can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing. > >> > >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly > >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that > >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would. > >> > >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in > >> peace. > > > >You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection to > >the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical method. > >there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence. > > > >Just because you believe it was so, does not make it so. > > It sure does, and if you don't agree, Huh, wha?! As the Pythons would say, that's not argument, that's just contradiction. > it is your job to find evidence > that shows that Jesus did not arise from the tomb. No. Those who make the extraordinary claim retain . the burden of proof. Your "evidence" is subject to refutation, but I'm not trying to prove anything. Used to be _some_ religious types were good at logical argument. I was taught by Jesuits. Your average bible study group hotshot's got nothing compared to SJs. Kevin R
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-20 01:57 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <3bd215a1-cf0d-49d8-8b61-d2bc2a9c6143@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077111 |
On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:28:50 AM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote:
> In article <70783f74-0a5b-41e4-ac34-190165bcecd3@googlegroups.com>,
> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 6:11:59 PM UTC-4, Malte Runz wrote:
> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote:
> > > >> "Greywolf" wrote in message
> > > >> news:ff206129-294a-4817-aa9c-69bf0703cb73@googlegroups.com...
> > > >>
> > > >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing you
> > > >> > can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing.
> > > >>
> > > >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly
> > > >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that
> > > >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would.
> > > >>
> > > >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in
> > > >> peace.
> > > >
> > > >You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection to
> > > >the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical method.
> > > >there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence.
> No establishent is necessary nor is it submitted for your evaluation.
> these things are PREACHED. That is they are proclaimed right into your
> face. Jesus said to the Jews "If ye believe not that I am he ye shall
> die in your sins". YOU have to find out why the text uses the "ye" of
> 400 years ago and what happens if you "die in your sins" because it is
> going to be YOU that are there. Satisfy yourself. One way or the
> tuther.
[quote]
verb \ˈprēch\
Simple Definition of preach
: to make a speech about religion in a church or other
public place : to deliver a sermon
: to write or speak about (something) in an approving way
: to say that (something) is good or necessary
: to write or speak in an annoying way about the right way
to behave
[/quote] - Merriam-Webster Dictionary @
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/preach
So, the third definition, then?
To add your complete lack of understanding of how to prove an
argument in a philosophical manner, using logic, and in the
scientific manner, using evidence to provisionally* confirm
a falsifiable hypothesis, you are that execrable denizen of
USENET, the detestable Top-Poster!
Kevin R
* All scientific knowledge is provisional. New evidence can
cause the need to update "settled" theories. Example: Special
Relativity contradicting Newtonian physics in certain circumstances.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 05:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <1f18fd67-31c0-4153-8576-d1ef82ba3b15@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077229 |
On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote: > In article <3bd215a1-cf0d-49d8-8b61-d2bc2a9c6143@googlegroups.com>, > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:28:50 AM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote: > > > In article <70783f74-0a5b-41e4-ac34-190165bcecd3@googlegroups.com>, > > > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 6:11:59 PM UTC-4, Malte Runz wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote: > > > > > >> "Greywolf" wrote in message > > > > > >> news:ff206129-294a-4817-aa9c-69bf0703cb73@googlegroups.com... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a damn thing > > > > > >> > you > > > > > >> > can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly > > > > > >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that > > > > > >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in > > > > > >> peace. > > > > > > > > > > > >You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported resurrection > > > > > >to > > > > > >the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of historical > > > > > >method. > > > > > >there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous evidence. > > > > > No establishent is necessary nor is it submitted for your evaluation. > > > these things are PREACHED. That is they are proclaimed right into your > > > face. Jesus said to the Jews "If ye believe not that I am he ye shall > > > die in your sins". YOU have to find out why the text uses the "ye" of > > > 400 years ago and what happens if you "die in your sins" because it is > > > going to be YOU that are there. Satisfy yourself. One way or the > > > tuther. > > > > [quote] > > > > verb \?prｮ ch\ > > Simple Definition of preach > > > > : to make a speech about religion in a church or other > > public place : to deliver a sermon > > > > : to write or speak about (something) in an approving way > > : to say that (something) is good or necessary > > > > : to write or speak in an annoying way about the right way > > to behave > > > > [/quote] - Merriam-Webster Dictionary @ > > > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/preach > > > > So, the third definition, then? > > > > To add your complete lack of understanding of how to prove an > > argument in a philosophical manner, using logic, and in the > > scientific manner, using evidence to provisionally* confirm > > a falsifiable hypothesis, you are that execrable denizen of > > USENET, the detestable Top-Poster! > > > > Kevin R > > > > * All scientific knowledge is provisional. New evidence can > > cause the need to update "settled" theories. Example: Special > > Relativity contradicting Newtonian physics in certain circumstances. > > > You have to SATISFY YOURSELF (not me). That old "it's true FOR ME" nonsense? I thought believers disliked moral relativism? Scientific, historical or logical relativism is just as silly. Either Columbus crossed the Atlantic, or he didn't. You can argue about whether he did it first, or if that was a good thing or not, but denying he did it contravenes provable historical fact. A Jesus may have lived and preached in first century Judea, but the extraordinary claims about performing magic are not provable by a historian's standards. > Some believe and some don't. I > am happy with that and I guess you are. > Sip a Bud Light and move on. A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! Kevin R
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| From | Irreverend Dave <reverend_dave@ministerpants.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 12:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <XnsA5D25B4A7AD0Brevdave01@213.239.209.88> |
| In reply to | #2077718 |
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote: >> In article <3bd215a1-cf0d-49d8-8b61-d2bc2a9c6143@googlegroups.com>, >> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> >> > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:28:50 AM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch >> > wrote: >> > > In article >> > > <70783f74-0a5b-41e4-ac34-190165bcecd3@googlegroups.com>, >> > > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 6:11:59 PM UTC-4, Malte Runz >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob >> > > > > <kevrob@my-deja. > com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew >> > > > > >wrote: >> > > > > >> "Greywolf" wrote in message >> > > > > >> news:ff206129-294a-4817-aa9c-69bf0703cb73@googlegroups.com. >> > > > > >> .. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Your religion has been proven false. And there's not a >> > > > > >> > damn > thing >> > > > > >> > you >> > > > > >> > can make it "true." Not a DAMN thing. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> No, the fact -is- that Jesus arose from the tomb exactly >> > > > > >> as He said He would. Then we may know for sure that >> > > > > >> He will return -also- exactly as He said that He would. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> Therefore let us rejoice and prepare to meet Him in >> > > > > >> peace. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >You cannot establish that truthfulness of that reported >> > > > > >resurrec > tion >> > > > > >to >> > > > > >the satisfaction of any disinterested practitioner of >> > > > > >historical > >> > > > > >method. >> > > > > >there is simply not enough credible, contemporaneous >> > > > > >evidence. >> > >> > > No establishent is necessary nor is it submitted for your >> > > evaluation. > >> > > these things are PREACHED. That is they are proclaimed right >> > > into yo > ur >> > > face. Jesus said to the Jews "If ye believe not that I am he ye >> > > shal > l >> > > die in your sins". YOU have to find out why the text uses the >> > > "ye" o > f >> > > 400 years ago and what happens if you "die in your sins" because >> > > it i > s >> > > going to be YOU that are there. Satisfy yourself. One way or >> > > the tuther. >> > >> > [quote] >> > >> > verb \?prｮ ch\ >> > Simple Definition of preach >> > >> > : to make a speech about religion in a church or other >> > public place : to deliver a sermon >> > >> > : to write or speak about (something) in an approving way >> > : to say that (something) is good or necessary >> > >> > : to write or speak in an annoying way about the right way >> > to behave >> > >> > [/quote] - Merriam-Webster Dictionary @ >> > >> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/preach >> > >> > So, the third definition, then? >> > >> > To add your complete lack of understanding of how to prove an >> > argument in a philosophical manner, using logic, and in the >> > scientific manner, using evidence to provisionally* confirm >> > a falsifiable hypothesis, you are that execrable denizen of >> > USENET, the detestable Top-Poster! >> > >> > Kevin R >> > >> > * All scientific knowledge is provisional. New evidence can >> > cause the need to update "settled" theories. Example: Special >> > Relativity contradicting Newtonian physics in certain >> > circumstances. >> > >> You have to SATISFY YOURSELF (not me). > > That old "it's true FOR ME" nonsense? I thought believers disliked > moral relativism? Scientific, historical or logical relativism is > just as silly. > > Either Columbus crossed the Atlantic, or he didn't. You can argue > about whether he did it first, or if that was a good thing or not, > but denying he did it contravenes provable historical fact. > > A Jesus may have lived and preached in first century Judea, > but the extraordinary claims about performing magic are not > provable by a historian's standards. > >> Some believe and some don't. I >> am happy with that and I guess you are. >> Sip a Bud Light and move on. > > A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! > > Kevin R I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do you define as good beer? -- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. - Thomas Paine
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 07:58 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <cbac59a6-469c-4a87-966b-0fe97b349302@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077728 |
On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! > > > > Kevin R > > I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do > you define as good beer? Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. Kevin R
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 16:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2077749 |
On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: > On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> > >>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>> >>> Kevin R >> >> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do >> you define as good beer? > > Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. > Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or > Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as > "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made > with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. > > My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. > Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin...
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 11:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dlco5iFtgpeU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2077778 |
On 22/03/2016 00:32, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, > "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: >>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>>>> >>>>> Kevin R >>>> >>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do >>>> you define as good beer? >>> >>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. >>> Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or >>> Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as >>> "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made >>> with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. >>> >>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. >>> >> >> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best >> when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now >> confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. >> If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to >> taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... > > > Does it taste less like burnt coffee grounds in Dublin? > Clearly, you are not one of the beer cognoscenti... :-)
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 08:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <cc60a10f-84ac-402d-abff-2c388f59620c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2078122 |
On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 7:21:25 AM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: > On 22/03/2016 00:32, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, > > "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: > >>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: > >>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>> > >>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! > >>>>> > >>>>> Kevin R > >>>> > >>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do > >>>> you define as good beer? > >>> > >>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. > >>> Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or > >>> Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as > >>> "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made > >>> with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. > >>> > >>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. > >>> > >> > >> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best > >> when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now > >> confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. > >> If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to > >> taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... > > > > > > Does it taste less like burnt coffee grounds in Dublin? > > > > Clearly, you are not one of the beer cognoscenti... > > :-) Hey, I don't drink much coffee, as I generally prefer tea, but the burnt-barley malt taste of Guinness is excellent. Getting back on topic for the group..... "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Attributed to Ben Franklin, except... There's no proof he ever said or wrote that! If anyone did, Bud Light would be an argument against it. See more at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/h8cn629 which is http://tinyurl.com/h8cn629 and resolves to: http://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/say-what-says-who-benjamin-franklin-on-beer-or-not/#sthash.mQPEjhrr.dpuf Kevin R
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 16:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dld9s4F3ji5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2078191 |
On 22/03/2016 15:21, Kevrob wrote: > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 7:21:25 AM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: >> On 22/03/2016 00:32, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >>> In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." >>> <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: >>>>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend >>>>> Dave wrote: >>>>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin R >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but >>>>>> what exactly do you define as good beer? >>>>> >>>>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable >>>>> microbrews. Even larger brands that started as micros, such >>>>> as Sam Adams or Anchor are pretty good. I live in New >>>>> England, and as far as "lawnmower beer" goes (American >>>>> pilsner-style lager, often made with adjuncts) I like >>>>> Yeungling and Narragansett. >>>>> >>>>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness >>>> tastes best when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week >>>> over there, I can now confidently report that this particular >>>> bit of beer lore is quite true. If you want to taste Guinness >>>> the way the gods of beer intended it to taste, book yourself a >>>> ticket to Dublin... >>> >>> >>> Does it taste less like burnt coffee grounds in Dublin? >>> >> >> Clearly, you are not one of the beer cognoscenti... >> >> :-) > > Hey, I don't drink much coffee, as I generally prefer tea, but the > burnt-barley malt taste of Guinness is excellent. If you ever make it across the pond and to the Oktoberfest in Munich, I can seriously recommend a side trip to the monastery of Andechs a few miles outside town. It's a lovely baroque pile and one of the few remaining true monastery breweries. The local Benedictine monks have been brewing beer here for 700 years or so, and their speciality is a black double bock beer with 7.1% ABV. It has a pronounced caramelly malty flavour that is quite excellent. IF you want to try it, the bottled version is available in the US: http://andechs.de/en/brewery/andechs-beer-in-us/ > > Getting back on topic for the group..... > > "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - > > Attributed to Ben Franklin, except... > > There's no proof he ever said or wrote that! > > If anyone did, Bud Light would be an argument against it. Any beer that comes with the word "light" added is evil and the devil's work. Better to drink one pint of good stuff than three pints of "light" crap. > > See more at: > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/h8cn629 which is > > http://tinyurl.com/h8cn629 and resolves to: > > http://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/say-what-says-who-benjamin-franklin-on-beer-or-not/#sthash.mQPEjhrr.dpuf > On the other hand, I do believe the quote "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is bacteria." is by the great Franklin, and I hold it to be true and wise indeed. Water is filthy. It's the stuff fish fuck in.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 15:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <760fbe98-5a42-4c53-b7b8-7578bf9f2db1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2078209 |
On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:23:35 PM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: > On 22/03/2016 15:21, Kevrob wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 7:21:25 AM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: > >> On 22/03/2016 00:32, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >>> In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." > >>> <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend > >>>>> Dave wrote: > >>>>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kevin R > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but > >>>>>> what exactly do you define as good beer? > >>>>> > >>>>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable > >>>>> microbrews. Even larger brands that started as micros, such > >>>>> as Sam Adams or Anchor are pretty good. I live in New > >>>>> England, and as far as "lawnmower beer" goes (American > >>>>> pilsner-style lager, often made with adjuncts) I like > >>>>> Yeungling and Narragansett. > >>>>> > >>>>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness > >>>> tastes best when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week > >>>> over there, I can now confidently report that this particular > >>>> bit of beer lore is quite true. If you want to taste Guinness > >>>> the way the gods of beer intended it to taste, book yourself a > >>>> ticket to Dublin... > >>> > >>> > >>> Does it taste less like burnt coffee grounds in Dublin? > >>> > >> > >> Clearly, you are not one of the beer cognoscenti... > >> > >> :-) > > > > Hey, I don't drink much coffee, as I generally prefer tea, but the > > burnt-barley malt taste of Guinness is excellent. > > If you ever make it across the pond and to the Oktoberfest in Munich, I > can seriously recommend a side trip to the monastery of Andechs a few > miles outside town. It's a lovely baroque pile and one of the few > remaining true monastery breweries. The local Benedictine monks have > been brewing beer here for 700 years or so, and their speciality is a > black double bock beer with 7.1% ABV. It has a pronounced caramelly > malty flavour that is quite excellent. IF you want to try it, the > bottled version is available in the US: > > http://andechs.de/en/brewery/andechs-beer-in-us/ Sounds like fun. I used to live in Wisconsin, where some of the small US-style brewers, like Huber, or pre- Miller Leinenkugel, would release bock in the spring. I enjoy a bock, a double bock or even a triple bock. > > Getting back on topic for the group..... > > > > "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - > > > > Attributed to Ben Franklin, except... > > > > There's no proof he ever said or wrote that! > > > > If anyone did, Bud Light would be an argument against it. > > Any beer that comes with the word "light" added is evil and the devil's > work. Better to drink one pint of good stuff than three pints of > "light" crap. > > > > > > See more at: > > > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/h8cn629 which is > > > > http://tinyurl.com/h8cn629 and resolves to: > > > > http://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/say-what-says-who-benjamin-franklin-on-beer-or-not/#sthash.mQPEjhrr.dpuf > > > > > On the other hand, I do believe the quote > > "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is > bacteria." > > is by the great Franklin, and I hold it to be true and wise indeed. > > Water is filthy. It's the stuff fish fuck in. Now, that's W. C. Fields, isn't it? Kevin R
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 10:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dlf8f8FilldU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2078403 |
On 22/03/2016 22:42, Kevrob wrote: > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:23:35 PM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: >> On 22/03/2016 15:21, Kevrob wrote: >>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 7:21:25 AM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: >>>> On 22/03/2016 00:32, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >>>>> In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." >>>>> <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness >>>>>> tastes best when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a >>>>>> week over there, I can now confidently report that this >>>>>> particular bit of beer lore is quite true. If you want to >>>>>> taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to >>>>>> taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does it taste less like burnt coffee grounds in Dublin? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Clearly, you are not one of the beer cognoscenti... >>>> >>>> :-) >>> >>> Hey, I don't drink much coffee, as I generally prefer tea, but >>> the burnt-barley malt taste of Guinness is excellent. >> >> If you ever make it across the pond and to the Oktoberfest in >> Munich, I can seriously recommend a side trip to the monastery of >> Andechs a few miles outside town. It's a lovely baroque pile and >> one of the few remaining true monastery breweries. The local >> Benedictine monks have been brewing beer here for 700 years or so, >> and their speciality is a black double bock beer with 7.1% ABV. It >> has a pronounced caramelly malty flavour that is quite excellent. >> IF you want to try it, the bottled version is available in the US: >> >> http://andechs.de/en/brewery/andechs-beer-in-us/ > > Sounds like fun. I used to live in Wisconsin, where some of the > small US-style brewers, like Huber, or pre- Miller Leinenkugel, would > release bock in the spring. I enjoy a bock, a double bock or even a > triple bock. For me, bock is strictly a seasonal thing. In terms of food and drink, there is already too much that used to be a seasonal treat which nowadays is available all year round -- it takes all the fun and the anticipation out of it, IMO. A nice full May bock enjoyed on a warm spring day in a beer garden is a fine way indeed to spend an afternoon.... > > >>> Getting back on topic for the group..... >>> >>> "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - >>> >>> Attributed to Ben Franklin, except... >>> >>> There's no proof he ever said or wrote that! >>> >>> If anyone did, Bud Light would be an argument against it. >> >> Any beer that comes with the word "light" added is evil and the >> devil's work. Better to drink one pint of good stuff than three >> pints of "light" crap. >> >> >>> >>> See more at: >>> >>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/h8cn629 which is >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/h8cn629 and resolves to: >>> >>> http://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/say-what-says-who-benjamin-franklin-on-beer-or-not/#sthash.mQPEjhrr.dpuf >>> >> >> >> >>> On the other hand, I do believe the quote >> >> "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there >> is bacteria." >> >> is by the great Franklin, and I hold it to be true and wise >> indeed. >> >> Water is filthy. It's the stuff fish fuck in. > > Now, that's W. C. Fields, isn't it? > Ah, another notable American philosopher! It could be WC Fields, now that you mention it...
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| From | John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 13:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <iRCnBSBAlU8WFwnj@hotmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2077778 |
In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, Alex W. <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> writes >On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: >> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>> >> >>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>>> >>>> Kevin R >>> >>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do >>> you define as good beer? >> >> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. >> Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or >> Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as >> "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made >> with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. >> >> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. >> > >Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best >when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now >confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. > If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to >taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... > > The version brewed in Nigeria is even better. -- John Ritson
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 16:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dld9upF3ji5U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2078174 |
On 22/03/2016 13:31, John Ritson wrote: > In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, Alex W. > <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> writes >> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: >>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>>>> >>>>> Kevin R >>>> >>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do >>>> you define as good beer? >>> >>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. >>> Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or >>> Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as >>> "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made >>> with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. >>> >>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. >>> >> >> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best >> when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now >> confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. >> If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to >> taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... >> >> > The version brewed in Nigeria is even better. > You do know how it is made, right? They brew the stuff in Dublin. Then they turn it into a powder. They ship the powder. They reconstitute it with local water at the destination. This, to my mind, is a travesty, a crime against humanity.
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| From | John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 19:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <zMUzmrBZ6Z8WFwUq@hotmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2078210 |
In article <dld9upF3ji5U2@mid.individual.net>, Alex W. <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> writes >On 22/03/2016 13:31, John Ritson wrote: >> In article <dlakmfFd10qU1@mid.individual.net>, Alex W. >> <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> writes >>> On 21/03/2016 14:58, Kevrob wrote: >>>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >>>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin R >>>>> >>>>> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do >>>>> you define as good beer? >>>> >>>> Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. >>>> Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or >>>> Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as >>>> "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made >>>> with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. >>>> >>>> My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. >>>> >>> >>> Sidebar: I always thought it a bit of a myth that Guinness tastes best >>> when drunk in Ireland. Having just spent a week over there, I can now >>> confidently report that this particular bit of beer lore is quite true. >>> If you want to taste Guinness the way the gods of beer intended it to >>> taste, book yourself a ticket to Dublin... >>> >>> >> The version brewed in Nigeria is even better. >> > >You do know how it is made, right? > >They brew the stuff in Dublin. >Then they turn it into a powder. >They ship the powder. >They reconstitute it with local water at the destination. > >This, to my mind, is a travesty, a crime against humanity. > It isn't actually a powder, but a syrup, which is mixed with locally brewed beer. -- John Ritson
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| From | Irreverend Dave <reverend_dave@ministerpants.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 16:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <XnsA5D38009DAB31revdave01@213.239.209.88> |
| In reply to | #2077749 |
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-4, Irreverend Dave wrote: >> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> > >> > A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >> > >> > Kevin R >> >> I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly >> do you define as good beer? > > Here in the US, we now have a plethora of drinkable microbrews. > Even larger brands that started as micros, such as Sam Adams or > Anchor are pretty good. I live in New England, and as far as > "lawnmower beer" goes (American pilsner-style lager, often made > with adjuncts) I like Yeungling and Narragansett. > > My St Patrick's day was celebrated with Guinness. > > Kevin R > Usually, when someone complains about the quality of American beer I assume that they're not American. The old Monty Python joke about the difference between American beer and making love in a canoe and all that. Obviously beer made in small batches from traditional recipes is usually going to taste better than the mass produced stuff. It all depends on the recipe and the brewmaster. At this point virtually every beer company in the world seems to be part of some multinational conglomerate, even Guiness. The only one I'm aware of that isn't (yet) is Moosehead, but I'm sure there are others. By the way, I celebrated St. Patrick's day by not celebrating St. Patrick's day. -- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. - Thomas Paine
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 16:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <dlalhhFdaduU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2077728 |
On 21/03/2016 12:53, Irreverend Dave wrote: > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote: >>> In article <3bd215a1-cf0d-49d8-8b61-d2bc2a9c6143@googlegroups.com>, >>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: >> >> A Jesus may have lived and preached in first century Judea, >> but the extraordinary claims about performing magic are not >> provable by a historian's standards. >> >>> Some believe and some don't. I >>> am happy with that and I guess you are. >>> Sip a Bud Light and move on. >> >> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! >> >> Kevin R > > I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do > you define as good beer? > Everyone has their own tastes, obviously, so there will never be a definitive agreement. That said, maybe a few general observations. First, start by eliminating the worst beers: Molson. Budweiser. Pabst Blue Ribbon. Keystone Light. Coors Light. From there, the only way is up. By preference, I'd give craft beers the nod -- the smaller, the better. Generally speaking, they are less driven by marketing considerations; indeed, quite often it will be the brewer himself who dictates what and how the brew should look and taste like. One may not like the result, but at least it's honest personal conviction behind the beer rather than corporate bean-counting and management.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-21 10:20 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: He arose from the tomb - exactly as He said |
| Message-ID | <e3969980-46b8-4e5e-a79e-6eb48faa1b04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2077785 |
On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 12:24:20 PM UTC-4, Alex W. wrote: > On 21/03/2016 12:53, Irreverend Dave wrote: > > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-4, Kaptain Krunch wrote: > >>> In article <3bd215a1-cf0d-49d8-8b61-d2bc2a9c6143@googlegroups.com>, > >>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> A Jesus may have lived and preached in first century Judea, > >> but the extraordinary claims about performing magic are not > >> provable by a historian's standards. > >> > >>> Some believe and some don't. I > >>> am happy with that and I guess you are. > >>> Sip a Bud Light and move on. > >> > >> A top-poster, and a fan of bad beer! > >> > >> Kevin R > > > > I don't disagree with your observation on Bud Light but what exactly do > > you define as good beer? > > > > Everyone has their own tastes, obviously, so there will never be a > definitive agreement. > > That said, maybe a few general observations. > > First, start by eliminating the worst beers: > > Molson. > Budweiser. > Pabst Blue Ribbon. > Keystone Light. > Coors Light. > > From there, the only way is up. > > By preference, I'd give craft beers the nod -- the smaller, the better. > Generally speaking, they are less driven by marketing considerations; > indeed, quite often it will be the brewer himself who dictates what and > how the brew should look and taste like. One may not like the result, > but at least it's honest personal conviction behind the beer rather than > corporate bean-counting and management. True. Sometimes a craft beer is a very good version of a beer style that one just doesn't like. No biggee. I don't like onions. Don't put me in charge of the onion judging at the county fair! Some of my favorite craft brewers: Sprecher and New Glarus, from Wisconsin, and Two Roads in Connecticut does a nice job. Craft Brewers: I like an India Pale Ale, but, please, start making something else for a change! Kevin R
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