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  I wnet looking for evidence of God Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:04 -0700
    Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:12 -0700
    Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2016-06-04 02:04 +0000
      Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 21:17 -0700
        Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:37 +0000
      Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 21:22 -0700
      Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 21:24 -0700
        Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:38 -0700
          Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 03:17 -0700
      Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-04 03:47 -0700
    Re: I wnet looking for evidence of God Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 15:32 -0700

#2119086 — I wnet looking for evidence of God

Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."

I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is evidence of God.
The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many, many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air, no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God and I don't get that one either.

How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus, taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.

They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.

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#2119092

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-7, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> 
> I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is evidence of God.
> The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many, many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air, no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God and I don't get that one either.
> 
> How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus, taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> 
> They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.

Atlas Shrugged set a new record for sales in 2009 and all 4 of her novels had a combined sales that year of over one million copies.  More than 7 million copies of Atlas Shrugged have been sold since it was first published.

That means I need to edit and retract the statement about it being the second biggest selling book in history  HP and the Prisoner of Askaban has sold 55 million copies and it's not even at the top of the list. Still that a book like Atlas Shrugged could still be selling with figures that wold most likely put it on the best seller list if they allowed it, after 59 years is kind of amazing.  It's not like it's an easy read.

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#2119178

On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:

> Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> 
> I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> evidence of God.
> The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> and I don't get that one either.
> 
> How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> 
> They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.

If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God.  The best 
we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands 
physics far beyond our understanding".  We do not know enough to tell the 
difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.

-- 
MarkA

Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
argue with you.   -- John Wooden

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#2119220

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> 
> > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > 
> > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > evidence of God.
> > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > and I don't get that one either.
> > 
> > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > 
> > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> 
> If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God. 

I disagree.  The law of identity says a thing is itself and that means it has a specific nature.  If God exists he/she/it has one too and we should be able to know it.

The biggest problem I see is that all the rel evidence indicates that many of the things in the Bible, are patently false.  If there can be evidence against a God, there surely can be evidence FOR the existence of God.

 The best 
> we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands 
> physics far beyond our understanding". 

I think the best we an manage and still be truthful is that there is o evidence of any god.

 We do not know enough to tell the 
> difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.
> 
> -- 
> MarkA
> 
> Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
> argue with you.   -- John Wooden

Any sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from magic.   Arthur C. Clarke

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#2119419

On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:17:22 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:

> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>> 
>> > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of
>> > God."
>> > 
>> > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki
>> > and they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists
>> > is evidence of God.
>> > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
>> > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
>> > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill
>> > without hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal
>> > waves, all kinds of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm
>> > sure there are many, many more that I haven't thought of. Once you
>> > leave the relative comfort of earth, the rest of the universe does
>> > not seem that friendly. No air, no gravity, no heat, no food, no
>> > other known life.  This to me does not say friendly to life.  Jesus
>> > Christ is supposed to be evidence of God and I don't get that one
>> > either.
>> > 
>> > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people
>> > who were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about
>> > him until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels
>> > as evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of
>> > Jesus, taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle
>> > Eastern tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
>> > 
>> > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
>> > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history
>> > book but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best
>> > selling book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that
>> > reasoning the second best selling book in the world is evidence that
>> > capitalism is the only logical economic system and that the world
>> > would be lost if the producers went on strike, that's because the
>> > second best selling book in the world (and has been for some time)is
>> > ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
>> 
>> If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God.
> 
> I disagree.  The law of identity says a thing is itself and that means
> it has a specific nature.  If God exists he/she/it has one too and we
> should be able to know it.

You think you have the power to distinguish advanced technology from 
magic?  Yet you quote A.C.Clarke on the subject, below.  Which is it?  
What do you think the "specific nature" of a god would look like, such 
that you could identify it?

> 
> The biggest problem I see is that all the rel evidence indicates that
> many of the things in the Bible, are patently false.  If there can be
> evidence against a God, there surely can be evidence FOR the existence
> of God.
> 
>  The best
>> we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands
>> physics far beyond our understanding".
> 
> I think the best we an manage and still be truthful is that there is o
> evidence of any god.
> 
>  We do not know enough to tell the
>> difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.
>> 
>> --
>> MarkA
>> 
>> Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll
>> argue with you.   -- John Wooden
> 
> Any sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from magic.  
> Arthur C. Clarke



-- 
MarkA

Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
argue with you.   -- John Wooden

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#2119223

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> 
> > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > 
> > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > evidence of God.
> > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > and I don't get that one either.
> > 
> > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > 
> > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> 

A note on Atlas Shrugged.  I could not find any evidence that the above statement re Atlas Shrugged sales.  I was quoting Yaron Brook.  Considering the book was first published 59 years ago and that it has sold at best seller type numbers for almost all of those years is still quite remarkable.  Let's face it, it is not an easy read.  I much prefer the Fountainhead and the short but powerful Anthem.

For some reason Atlas Shrugged seems to sell better during economic upheaval.




> If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God.  The best 
> we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands 
> physics far beyond our understanding".  We do not know enough to tell the 
> difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.
> 
> -- 
> MarkA
> 
> Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
> argue with you.   -- John Wooden

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#2119224

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> 
> > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > 
> > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > evidence of God.
> > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > and I don't get that one either.
> > 
> > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > 
> > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> 

A note on Atlas Shrugged.  I could not find any evidence that the above statement re Atlas Shrugged sales was accurate.  I was quoting Yaron Brook.  Considering the book was first published 59 years ago and that it has sold at best seller type numbers for almost all of those years is still quite remarkable.  Let's face it, it is not an easy read.  I much prefer the Fountainhead and the short but powerful Anthem.

For some reason Atlas Shrugged seems to sell better during economic upheaval. 



> If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God.  The best 
> we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands 
> physics far beyond our understanding".  We do not know enough to tell the 
> difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.
> 
> -- 
> MarkA
> 
> Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
> argue with you.   -- John Wooden

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#2119318

In article <c059f888-fcbc-4a79-afeb-abc36e81fbe8@googlegroups.com>,
 Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
> > On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > 
> > > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > > 
> > > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > > evidence of God.
> > > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > > and I don't get that one either.
> > > 
> > > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > > 
> > > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> > 
> 
> A note on Atlas Shrugged.  I could not find any evidence that the above 
> statement re Atlas Shrugged sales was accurate.  I was quoting Yaron Brook.  
> Considering the book was first published 59 years ago and that it has sold at 
> best seller type numbers for almost all of those years is still quite 
> remarkable.  Let's face it, it is not an easy read.  I much prefer the 
> Fountainhead and the short but powerful Anthem.
> 
> For some reason Atlas Shrugged seems to sell better during economic upheaval. 


Funny thing is my mother had at least one of Rand's books on her shelves 
but for some reason I never had any interest in reading it (or them). 
There must have been some asshole vible coming off it, I guess.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#2120736

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 7:38:43 AM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <c059f888-fcbc-4a79-afeb-abc36e81fbe8@googlegroups.com>,
>  Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
> > > On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > > > 
> > > > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > > > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > > > evidence of God.
> > > > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > > > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > > > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > > > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > > > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > > > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > > > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > > > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > > > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > > > and I don't get that one either.
> > > > 
> > > > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > > > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > > > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > > > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > > > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > > > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > > > 
> > > > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > > > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > > > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > > > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > > > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > > > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > > > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > > > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> > > 
> > 
> > A note on Atlas Shrugged.  I could not find any evidence that the above 
> > statement re Atlas Shrugged sales was accurate.  I was quoting Yaron Brook.  
> > Considering the book was first published 59 years ago and that it has sold at 
> > best seller type numbers for almost all of those years is still quite 
> > remarkable.  Let's face it, it is not an easy read.  I much prefer the 
> > Fountainhead and the short but powerful Anthem.
> > 
> > For some reason Atlas Shrugged seems to sell better during economic upheaval. 
> 
> 
> Funny thing is my mother had at least one of Rand's books on her shelves 
> but for some reason I never had any interest in reading it (or them). 
> There must have been some asshole vible coming off it, I guess.

The only one I actually liked was "Anthem". I think of it as being about a bunch of human bees learning to be individuals. I loathe "The Fountaihead".
And, the movie sucks, too.

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#2119299

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 10:01:46 AM UTC+8, MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> 
> > Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."
> > 
> > I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> > they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> > evidence of God.
> > The whole thing about the eye being so complex.  hat we have a
> > conscience.  That the universe is life friendly.  This one threw me
> > because on earth alone there are so many things that will kill without
> > hesitation. Snakes, bees, volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, all kinds
> > of wild animals, other assorted insects, and I'm sure there are many,
> > many more that I haven't thought of. Once you leave the relative comfort
> > of earth, the rest of the universe does not seem that friendly. No air,
> > no gravity, no heat, no food, no other known life.  This to me does not
> > say friendly to life.  Jesus Christ is supposed to be evidence of God
> > and I don't get that one either.
> > 
> > How does Jesus existence give evidence for God?  None of the people who
> > were supposed to have been his disciples bothered to write about him
> > until decades after his death.  You can not count the 4 gospels as
> > evidence by four different sources.  As to the life and death of Jesus,
> > taking the existence of a splinter group in an obscure Middle Eastern
> > tribe as fact has nothing provable to do with God.
> > 
> > They also cite the Bible as evidence for God and really, this is the
> > poorest example of all.  Theists want us to treat it as a history book
> > but it can't be updated.  Somehow the fact that it is the best selling
> > book in the world is supposed to be evidence, by that reasoning the
> > second best selling book in the world is evidence that capitalism is the
> > only logical economic system and that the world would be lost if the
> > producers went on strike, that's because the second best selling book in
> > the world (and has been for some time)is ATLAS SHRUGGED.  Go figure.
> 
> If you think about it, there really CANNOT BE evidence of God.  The best 
> we could manage would be "evidence of a sentience that understands 
> physics far beyond our understanding".  We do not know enough to tell the 
> difference between a god and a technologically advanced civilization.

I think it is quite easy to disbelieve in a proto=pixie if it cannot fly or has such power as a superman.
> 
> -- 
> MarkA
> 
> Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll 
> argue with you.   -- John Wooden

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:04:05 -0700, Cloud Hobbit wrote:

> Just for the hell of it, i decided to search for "best evidence of God."

Note, not "evidence of _a_ god or gods", but specifically "of God".  So 
any evidence of, oh, a presumably legitimate miracle happening would 
support the conclusion "God"... because no other explanations, or even 
other entities, are allowed in the race.

Yeah, good start there.  Not like painting the target around the arrow, 
or anything.


> I checked out the first few websites, one of which was Rational wiki and
> they all had the same stuff.  How the fact that existence exists is
> evidence of God.

No, existence is evidence of existence.  To be evidence of gods, there 
would have to also be reason to conclude gods a) at least possibly exist, 
b) have some means of influencing existence in some manner, and c) that 
this influence is discernible.  None of these have been established.


> The whole thing about the eye being so complex.

An eye is not complex at all.  The simplest eyes are literally a patch of 
a few cells which respond to changes in light.  As much be amazed by the 
faculty of touch, or ability to sense heat.

Once the simplest eye is developed, any improvement, however slight, is a 
path to a modern eye.



> That the universe is life friendly.

Well over 50% of the surface of the planet is reasonably inhospitable; 
the rest of the universe, by and large, makes these places look like 
luxury resorts.  Or, in other words, the notion the universe is "life-
friendly" is either completely ignorant of reality, batshit insane, or 
both.

I think we can stop there; once the discussion has become about such 
outlandishly bizarre, contra-reality notions, there's no point 
continuing.  If the rest of the post had something actually sensible to 
say, please feel free to repost that part.

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