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  Whatever happened to the canals of Mars?  The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-26 08:22 -0800
    Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 08:37 -0800
      Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-01-30 21:56 -0500
        Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 22:12 -0800
    Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-27 14:50 +1100
      Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 23:34 -0500
        Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-27 16:58 +1100
          Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 02:21 -0500
            Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-28 22:22 +0100
              Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:19 -0500
        Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-27 07:04 +0100
        Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-28 22:34 -0600
      Re: Whatever happened to the canals of Mars? Double-A <doublea333@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 13:45 -0800

#281474 — Whatever happened to the canals of Mars?

http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg

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#281475

In article <56A79D44.47B1@ix.netcom.com>,
 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg

silted over
by runoff from mt olympus

arf meow arf  -  everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple

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#281641

In article <mair_fheal-B62F11.08373826012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> said:

> arf meow arf  -  everything thing i know i learned
> from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
> sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
> or a babys arm holding an apple

Are you having a stroke?

-- wds

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#281645

In article <n8jt5j$jor$1@panix2.panix.com>,
 wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:

> In article <mair_fheal-B62F11.08373826012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> said:
> 
> > arf meow arf  -  everything thing i know i learned
> > from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
> > sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
> > or a babys arm holding an apple
> 
> Are you having a stroke?
> 
> -- wds

a stroke of good fortune


http://ocw.mit.edu/high-school/humanities-and-social-sciences/godel-escher-bach/l
ecture-notes/MITHFH_geb_v3_12.pdf

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
God exists since mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists since we
cannot prove the consistency.  ~~ Morris Kline

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#281487

On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
>

They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor 
telescopes and wishful thinking.

Sylvia.

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#281488

On 01/26/2016 10:50 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
>>
>
> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor
> telescopes and wishful thinking.
>
> Sylvia.

They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to 
the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming. 
Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians 
refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley 
to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense 
warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.

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#281489

On 27/01/2016 3:34 PM, benj wrote:
> On 01/26/2016 10:50 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
>>>
>>
>> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor
>> telescopes and wishful thinking.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>
In the last few hundred years?

Larry Niven's proposal, in his novel Rainbow Mars, of an interstellar 
travelling beanstalk[*] sucking up all the water, is more plausible.

Sylvia.

[*] I do Larry Niven a disservice here, because the novel is much better 
than my description suggests.

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#281491

On 01/27/2016 12:58 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 27/01/2016 3:34 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 01/26/2016 10:50 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor
>>> telescopes and wishful thinking.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
>> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
>> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
>> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
>> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
>> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>>
> In the last few hundred years?

Well, the "face" monument is still there!

> Larry Niven's proposal, in his novel Rainbow Mars, of an interstellar
> travelling beanstalk[*] sucking up all the water, is more plausible.
>
> Sylvia.
>
> [*] I do Larry Niven a disservice here, because the novel is much better
> than my description suggests.

Hey I think I saw that movie! The "beanstalk" was really cool! Oh wait....

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#281543

benj wrote:

> On 01/27/2016 12:58 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 27/01/2016 3:34 PM, benj wrote:
>>> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
>>> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
>>> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
>>> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
>>> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
>>> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>> In the last few hundred years?
> 
> Well, the "face" monument is still there!

Another common misconception.  There is no monument.  The only face that has 
been found on Mars so far is a *rock* face (in the geological meaning of the 
word) on which shadows fall in a certain fashion during a certain season.

Again, the reason for some humans to believe that it were a sculpted face 
was comparably poor image resolution when that rock was first observed 
combined with an evolutionary beneficial inclination of humanoids to see 
patterns even where there are none.  We are particularly trained to see 
faces because it is important for one’s survival to be able to recognize 
individuals by their face (for example, to recognize one’s mother whose is 
probably the first face that one sees).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)#.22Face_on_Mars.22>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia> (includes more examples)


PointedEars
-- 
Q: How many theoretical physicists specializing in general relativity
   does it take to change a light bulb?  
A: Two: one to hold the bulb and one to rotate the universe.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#281550

On 01/28/2016 04:22 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> benj wrote:
>
>> On 01/27/2016 12:58 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2016 3:34 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
>>>> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
>>>> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
>>>> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
>>>> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
>>>> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>>> In the last few hundred years?
>>
>> Well, the "face" monument is still there!
>
> Another common misconception.  There is no monument.  The only face that has
> been found on Mars so far is a *rock* face (in the geological meaning of the
> word) on which shadows fall in a certain fashion during a certain season.
>
> Again, the reason for some humans to believe that it were a sculpted face
> was comparably poor image resolution when that rock was first observed
> combined with an evolutionary beneficial inclination of humanoids to see
> patterns even where there are none.  We are particularly trained to see
> faces because it is important for one’s survival to be able to recognize
> individuals by their face (for example, to recognize one’s mother whose is
> probably the first face that one sees).
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)#.22Face_on_Mars.22>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia> (includes more examples)
>
>
> PointedEars
>
Nonsense!  Everybody knows that it's a REAL face sculpted by the 
Martians before they destroyed their civilization with global warming 
from CO2! You are just joining with the GOPer NASA Mafia to cover up 
these facts!

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#281490

Am 27.01.2016 05:34, schrieb benj:

>> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor
>> telescopes and wishful thinking.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>

If the Mars has about 95 % CO2 in the atmosphere, we had to find out, 
where the CO2 came from.

Since the Martians have most likely not burned dead dinosaurs, to drive 
cars or head their mansions, we need to find out, from were the 
carbondioxid came.


I don't think, that even such a global climate protector like Al Gore 
would have prevented the Mars atmosphere to fill entirely with CO2 
(since he would have needed something else to breath).

The lack of O2 also questions the source of CO2 from burning, since 
oxygen is a necessity for fire.

But - maybe - the lack of plants is, what makes the atmosphere of Mars 
so filled with CO2. And lack of plants means lack of wood, which cannot 
burn, without someone to ignite it.

So CO2 is not reason for Marsian warming, but lack of plants is reason 
for lack of cooling.

Earth would - most likely - have started with an atmosphere of CO2 
(mainly). But the water we have on Earth has developed life and that O2, 
by photosynthesis from CO2.

Now the plants have absorbed most of the CO2 and so we need to burn 
wood. Otherwise the plants would starve.


TH

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#281558

On 1/26/2016 10:34 PM, benj wrote:
> On 01/26/2016 10:50 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
>>>
>>
>> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor
>> telescopes and wishful thinking.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> They are still there, but the water is gone. It all boiled away due to
> the Martians producing too much CO2 and creating global warming.
> Greenhouse gases on Mars were growing just as on Earth but Martians
> refused to change their ways (because they had no Algore or Sam Wormley
> to lead them) and now the atmosphere is 95.32% CO2 and the intense
> warming and storms boiled all the water away. So sad.
>

their water was too acid, and it ate the pipes and put lead into the 
water where it accumlated into their baby alien brains, and they all got 
stupider, because this all took several hundred years, then they were 
growing tobacco using irragation of the acid water, and all started 
smoking, and they got stupider, and all that smoke and co2 wasnt used by 
the plants up there, only the small number of tobacco plants they had, I 
think about 15.

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#281545

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 7:50:51 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 27/01/2016 3:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > http://www.classe.cornell.edu/~seb/celestia/plmars2.jpg
> >
> 
> They were never there. A combination of optical illusions, poor 
> telescopes and wishful thinking.
> 
> Sylvia.


And perhaps Percival Lowell seeing the veins inside his own eyes.  I know I have heard a doctor swear that that is impossible, but I have seen mine while looking through a telescope.  I have seen them while looking at a dimly lighted wall as well.

Double-A

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