Re: Visualizing

From	Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk>
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Subject	Re: Visualizing
Date	2024-09-07 16:34 +0100
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On 06/09/2024 16:08, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>
>> What was interesting was his recalling a conversation that he'd had
>> with his wife. She was takling about a plant or something and asked
>> him to visualize it. He was astounded that she, or anyone, could close
>> their eyes and *see* something they were thinking about.
>>
>> I was shocked to learn that there are people who can't form a mental
>> visual image.

There is also visual recall of something you have seen which is slightly 
different. Eidetic memory is the most extreme form.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory

>> Close your eyes and consider a nice white ceramic dinner plate with a
>> beautiful deep red apple sitting in the center. Can you see it? From
>> the side and from the top? Do you see the stem? The colors? Imagine it
>> slowly rotating? See the fruit fly?
>>
>> If the world is divided between people who can visualise and people
>> who can't, that could explain a great deal.

I have always assumed that most people can do it to some extent. The 
next level up is being able to look at something (or imagine it) and 
then carve it or construct one in 3D. Very few people can do that.

> Or people who have a dialogue going on in their heads all the time.
> Apparently that’s most people.

Using visual memory is one way to beat a classic Alzheimer's test by 
imagining an apple, balanced on a ball sat on a chair. It doesn't seem 
to suffer the same degradation as normal short term abstract memory.

> But then again, none of us knows what it’s like to be somebody else.

Indeed. The people who I admire the most are composers who can image 
roughly what an entire orchestra will sound like playing their newly 
written score. That takes an incredible amount of aural imagining.

We also have no way of knowing if what I experience for red colour is 
the same as what you see for red. Some colour blind people really do see 
the world differently (most common red-green colour blindness). But the 
ones with slightly extended near IR vision through 4 types of cones had 
advantages in warfare since they can distinguish growing vegetation from 
cut and dying vegetation that has been used for camouflage.

-- 
Martin Brown

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