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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 16:34:22 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 06/09/2024 16:08, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>>
>>> What was interesting was his recalling a conversation that he'd had
>>> with his wife. She was takling about a plant or something and asked
>>> him to visualize it. He was astounded that she, or anyone, could close
>>> their eyes and *see* something they were thinking about.
>>>
>>> I was shocked to learn that there are people who can't form a mental
>>> visual image.
>
>There is also visual recall of something you have seen which is slightly 
>different. Eidetic memory is the most extreme form.
>
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory
>
>>> Close your eyes and consider a nice white ceramic dinner plate with a
>>> beautiful deep red apple sitting in the center. Can you see it? From
>>> the side and from the top? Do you see the stem? The colors? Imagine it
>>> slowly rotating? See the fruit fly?
>>>
>>> If the world is divided between people who can visualise and people
>>> who can't, that could explain a great deal.
>
>I have always assumed that most people can do it to some extent. The 
>next level up is being able to look at something (or imagine it) and 
>then carve it or construct one in 3D. Very few people can do that.
>
>> Or people who have a dialogue going on in their heads all the time.
>> Apparently that’s most people.
>
>Using visual memory is one way to beat a classic Alzheimer's test by 
>imagining an apple, balanced on a ball sat on a chair. It doesn't seem 
>to suffer the same degradation as normal short term abstract memory.
>
>> But then again, none of us knows what it’s like to be somebody else.
>
>Indeed. The people who I admire the most are composers who can image 
>roughly what an entire orchestra will sound like playing their newly 
>written score. That takes an incredible amount of aural imagining.
>
>We also have no way of knowing if what I experience for red colour is 
>the same as what you see for red. Some colour blind people really do see 
>the world differently (most common red-green colour blindness). But the 
>ones with slightly extended near IR vision through 4 types of cones had 
>advantages in warfare since they can distinguish growing vegetation from 
>cut and dying vegetation that has been used for camouflage.

I suppose that being nearsighted has social-evolutionary advantages.
Some people shoot arrows, some people make arrows.

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