Re: Visualizing

From	john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Visualizing
Date	2024-09-07 07:56 -0700
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 07:29:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Fri, 06 Sep 2024 08:59:06 -0700) it happened john larkin
><jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in <eq8mdjd7lohm9rglsdc7rgi5i7nbde1co1@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 11:27:38 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 07:53:46 -0700, john larkin
>>><jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was driving and listening to the local mostly-annoying NPR radio
>>>>station, but they had an interesting interview with a book author. It
>>>>was about his novel or some poetry or something.
>>>>
>>>>What was interesting was his recalling a conversation that he'd had
>>>>with his wife. She was takling about a plant or something and asked
>>>>him to visualize it. He was astounded that she, or anyone, could close
>>>>their eyes and *see* something they were thinking about. 
>>>>
>>>>I was shocked to learn that there are people who can't form a mental
>>>>visual image.
>>>>
>>>>Close your eyes and consider a nice white ceramic dinner plate with a
>>>>beautiful deep red apple sitting in the center. Can you see it? From
>>>>the side and from the top? Do you see the stem? The colors? Imagine it
>>>>slowly rotating? See the fruit fly?
>>>>
>>>>If the world is divided between people who can visualise and people
>>>>who can't, that could explain a great deal.
>>>
>>>There are definitely such people, and I've met them.  The example that
>>>springs to mind was a History Teaching Assistant I met in college in
>>>the 1960s.  It turned out that he had been an EE Undergrad, and
>>>discovered that he could not visualize the electrons in motion, unlike
>>>his colleagues.  This TA was wise enough to know that this was
>>>crippling - he would never be able to compete with those who could
>>>visualize electrons.  So he switched to History.
>>>
>>>Joe Gwinn
>>
>>The statistics would be interesting, whether the non-visualization
>>thing is common or maybe very rare. I'll have to google that some
>>time.
>>
>>There is a small fraction of the population that don't like music, for
>>example. That includes me. Some people absolutely can't remember
>>faces. I know a guy who can only recognize people by their hair.
>>
>>I'd expect that among CE/EE graduates, good visualizers would tend to
>>be more EE and less visualizers more CE. Things vs words.
>>
>>That would suggest a good interview question.
>>
>>I was drafted once (never served) and took a test to join the Marine
>>Corps. One part involved looking at a flat thing with various squares
>>painted with patterns, and then imagining a box that was folded up
>>from the flat thing. I guess that visualizing things would be useful
>>to a Marine.
>>
>>I think the original IQ test was for the military.
>
>I was tested for the draft here and immediately assigned to the air force.
>But did not have to serve as there was a law here 'eldest son breadwinner'.
>But sure enough my first job was designing stuff for the telcos, army and navy,
>so wound up there anyways and worked on those navy ships, dangerous...

I used to work on ships, designing control systems and for a while
going out and maintaining them.

The steam plants were especially dangerous. A welded pipe joint might
leak an invisible jet that would cut you in half. The crew would test
a  joint  by waving a broomstick around it, and see if the end would
be sliced off and fall to the deck.

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