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Re: Windows 32-bit

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.ms-windows.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-xp, alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Subject Re: Windows 32-bit
Date 2023-12-29 15:27 +0000
Organization NOYB
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Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2023 19:34:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> On 17 Nov 2023 16:16:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> >> Someone stole my laptop computer, and I'm beginning to be concerned
> >> >> that it may be irreplaceable. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> It was running Windows 7, 32-bit, and it seems that most, if not all,
> >> >> laptops sold nowadays with Windows installed are 64-bit, which means
> >> >> they won't run a lot of my software, and that means that they won't
> >> >> allow me to access a lot of the research data I have collected over
> >> >> the last 30 years. 
> >> >
> >> >  64-bit Windows systems can run 32-bit software/programs just fine, so
> >> >I think you mean you (also) have *16-bit* software/programs which you
> >> >need to run. Correct?
> >> 
> >> Yes, and 8-bit ones too. 32-bit Windows runs those just fine, at least
> >> all the ones I use regularly. There are some it doesn't, but that's a
> >> hardware rather than an O/S problem, something to do with clock speed.
> >> Programs written in TurboPascal, for example, won't run on faster
> >> machines. 
> >
> >  "8-bit ones" sounds a bit strange, because all (IBM-like) PCs have
> >always been 16-bit. But perhaps you mean byte-level interpretive code or
> >some such. Can you give some more details about these "8-bit ones"?
> 
> I think early programs running on IBM PC DOS or MS DOS were 8-bit,
> running on 8088 processors. The 286 and 386 ones were 16-bit. 

  The usual confusion about the 'bit-ness'! :-)

  The 8088 is actually a 16-bit processor, because it has 16-bit
registers, etc.. But the width of the *data* bus is 8-bit. The
instruction set is named 'x86-16'.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8088>

  Likewise, the 80286 is also a 16-bit processor, but with a 16-bit data
bus and also a 'x86-16' instruction set (with extensions).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80286>

  The 80386 is a 32-bit processor, with a 16-bit or 32-bit databus and a
'x86-32' instruction set.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I386>

  As far as I know, none of the x86 processors were 8-bit processors.

  So consequently, also the IBM PC DOS and MS-DOS programs were 16-bit.

[No longer relevant stuff deleted.]

> Anyway, I have now acquired a 2nd-hand Dell with a 30-bit Windows 10
> OS, and my DOS programs appear to run on it, so I'm not going to need
> VirtualBox just yet.

  Great! Good outcome!

> But thanks to everyone who replied on the Windows question (the time
> discussion was less useful). 

  You're welcome.

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