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From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.ms-windows.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-xp, alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Subject	Re: Windows 32-bit
Date	2023-12-29 04:21 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 12/29/2023 3:07 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:59:56 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 17/11/2023 13:02, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone stole my laptop computer, and I'm beginning to be concerned
>>> that it may be irreplaceable.
>>>
>>> It was running Windows 7, 32-bit, and it seems that most, if not all,
>>> laptops sold nowadays with Windows installed are 64-bit, which means
>>> they won't run a lot of my software, and that means that they won't
>>> allow me to access a lot of the research data I have collected over
>>> the last 30 years.
>>>
>>> People have told me that it is possible to run a virtual machine on a
>>> Win 64-bit computer that will emulate a 32-bit OS, but before I spend
>>> money on a computer that might not work for me, I'd like to hear from
>>> someone who has had experience in running such things, to find out how
>>> well they work.
>> I'm late into this discussion, but from a skim through just now, I don't 
>> think the following has been asked:
>>
>> Have you any disk-image style back-up of your previous system that was 
>> stolen  -  eg an image made by Ghost, Clonezilla, etc?
>>
>> If you have, using that as the source to make a working Virtual Machine 
>> (VM, and I'm using the term generically rather than implying any brand) 
>> should be easier than trying to re-install your original system and all 
>> its software from scratch, even supposing that you actually have every 
>> single installation media involved and that they all still work.
> 
> Yes, I do have a couple of Acronis backups. I'll try to keep them in
> case I ever do have to try to install them on a vitrual machine. 
> 
>>
>> Anyone else here tried to use 20-year old floppies recently?  No, I 
>> thought not, most won't even have access to a floppy drive any more!  I 
>> can't remember details now, but a few months ago I was trying to create 
>> a W98 boot USB stick for running imaging software, and for some obscure 
>> reason now forgotten needed to perform a 'sys' command to do it, and 
>> *none* of the many W98 boot floppies I had still worked!  Eventually I 
>> found just one floppy disk that still worked well enough to allow an old 
>> floppy boot image to be written to it, so that I could boot from it and 
>> run the 'sys' command.
> 
> When I got a Win 98 machine back in 1999 I copied all the floppies and
> stiffies I could find to a CD-ROM, and I think I have a copy of that
> in a directory on the hard drive of my XP machine!
> 
> Oh, and the 2nd-hand Win 10 32-bit machine I goes (see earlier
> messages) *does* have a DVD drive, which my wife's Windows 11 machine
> doesn't have, so that's a big plus. Om the other hand, it doesn't have
> a card slot, so getting photos off my camera will be a bit of a
> schlep. 

You can get SD card readers, in the form of USB sticks with a "hole in the side".
That's what I use for my camera. Mine will only read media up to 32GB in size.

   https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/20-208-939-05.jpg

For a desktop computer, you can also get tray mount card readers, and those
have more holes in front, for more kinds of media. This one would fit, where the
floppy drive used to go. The connector on the end, fits over a 2x5 USB2 header
on the motherboard (9 gold pins, one location blank for keying purposes).

   https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/20-192-038-S01.jpg

You can move files between machines, via file sharing.

You can also do point to point transfer with Bluetooth nano transmitters (plug
into a USB slot). That transfer is 75KB per second, which is roughly the
speed of the old floppies :-) I've even managed to set up a network connection
(with file sharing!) between two Bluetooth nano. I've been waiting years for
them to make that work, and I finally got a demo of it working here. This is not
a very practical hardware type (a kind of joke), but I wanted to see it work.

If you own Wifi modules and have no Wifi router, you can do point-to-point
transfer with Wifi Direct. On Windows 10, you click a button labeled "Mobile Hotspot",
and that makes one machine a kind of Wifi server. A second machine connects to it
using an SSID. The fun part, is figuring out what the randomly generated password
is for the Hotspot. The dialog with the information, would not appear at first,
but I eventually tracked the stupid thing down, and that gave the eight character
password. That might transfer at 7MB/sec, not exactly fast, but if you have no
other wiring for the computers, it is better than nothing.

For a slightly better transfer rate between PCs, the AQC107 is available now,
a 10GbE card, and you can do point to point wiring between two desktops with
these cards. This gives on the order of 1250 MB/sec or roughly "a CD per second"
transfer rate. Needs a PCI Express x4 slot in the PC (which many PCs will have).
Many PCs have an x16 slot for the video card and an x4 slot for toys. On an Optiplex,
you can't put your new network card, into the video slot (BIOS complains about your
taste in hardware).

   https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=985

Windows 10 allows bridging from your Internet connection hardware, to
a second card like one of those. Then, either machine can reach the Internet
at the Internet relatively-slow speed. But if you want to connect private
files between machines at lightning speed, that is what those cards are for.

You might ask "why did you stop there?". Well, it's because 100 GbE cards  (12GByte/sec)
are likely to be more expensive still, and at some point, the computer can
only absorb information so fast. Whereas those AQC107 break the $500 barrier
and finally provide cards at a better price. A typical usage scenario might be,
you are doing backups on one machine, and the backup drive is on the other
computer at the moment. The 10GbE link is easily fast enough for backups.

   Paul

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